You can get +26% additional damage with masteries

Ahristocats·Jan 6, 2017·82 votes·4,844 views

"wtf guys, why people die fast in league"

2% from sorcery 7% from bounty hunter 3% from exposed weakness 7% from penetration 2% from assassin 5% from merciless

102 Comments

WoonStruckJan 6, 201743 votes

3% additional damage was what you used to get for 21 points in a tree.

Just FYI.

WoonStruckJan 6, 201736 votes

Also defensive masteries weren't among the worst in the game. Tanks didn't need broken stuff like CoC to function. They often weren't overbearing either, outside of a few items that were easily tuned.

Meep ManJan 6, 20172 votes

There were a few OP defensive Masteries in the past, like the % Missing Health Regeneration one.

WoonStruckJan 6, 201716 votes

It wasn't a problem until Riot doubled the regen for no reason.

IcyPepperJan 6, 20172 votes

I'm pretty sure that was one mastery alone?

WoonStruckJan 6, 20177 votes

It was. The cap mastery was a 3% damage increase. The rest were minor attack speed, AP, AD, minor % pen, and various other small perks.

IcyPepperJan 6, 20171 votes

Then your comment's slightly misleading

3% additional damage was what you used to get for 21 points in a tree.

All those things you mention does increase damage...

XonraJan 7, 20179 votes

There is a difference in "gives some %ap, so potentially pretty good" and straight "%damage + %damage + %damage" straight up. Very very very different.

LegitBacon66Jan 6, 201729 votes

I don't know why the fuck masteries need any of this. It makes every champion way strong and champions that can't use them, well fuck them right?

dominusxJan 6, 201718 votes

yeh i mean why does a lvl 3 lee do 80% of my hp in one gank. kappa

WheatloafJan 7, 201714 votes

7% penetration is not a 7% increase in damage.

RexSaurJan 6, 201710 votes

You forgot to mention on defense tree you can get a mastery that gives up to 50+ armor and mr when you get hit and %max health shield.

Thats just with 2 points.

EndlessSorcererJan 6, 201735 votes

Both of those are temporary bonuses while most of the damage amplifications are near constantly active.

While Fearless and Courage of the Colossus are both rather strong, they are pretty much the only useful defensive masteries in the Resolve tree and they are trying to counter-balance the existence of two offensive trees (Ferocity and Cunning).

If the Resolve Tree was better balanced as a whole (or there weren't two full trees of damage amplifiers), those masteries wouldn't need to be quite as powerful to compensate.

SkiasJan 7, 20172 votes

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Both of those are temporary bonuses while most of the damage amplifications are near constantly active.

While Fearless and Courage of the Colossus are both rather strong, they are pretty much the only useful defensive masteries in the Resolve tree and they are trying to counter-balance the existence of two offensive trees (Ferocity and Cunning).

If the Resolve Tree was better balanced as a whole (or there weren't two full trees of damage amplifiers), those masteries wouldn't need to be quite as powerful to compensate.

Problem is, most offensive champs can get all the good shit from the resolve tree anyhow. Siege master and fearless is the only good thing there.

AhristocatsJan 6, 201717 votes

yeah let me take those masteries with Sona

ty budy

MelledoneusJan 6, 20172 votes

Don't you have Windspeaker's?

AhristocatsJan 6, 20173 votes

yes, and that's why i die in 0.5 second

on mid lane sona though i take thunderlord

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20176 votes

also didnt mention burst damage mastery and burn damage over time mastery and stacking ad mastery which more directly complement the ones you are talking about

SmileInABoxJan 6, 201710 votes

Has Riot talked about Masteries as a whole yet? This sounds like a bit of a problem.

XonraJan 7, 20173 votes

They just noticed the problem with Junglers and Bot lane lol I doubt they've even noticed we still have Masteries in the game at this point.

Gregor GysiJan 6, 201710 votes

Sorcery works on ability only Bounty hunter requires you to kill all 5 opponents Exposed weakness is for allies only 7% penetration is no %additional damage at all, what the? Assassin requires the enemy to be alone and it's absolutely trash (even Riven goes Cookie usually) Merciless works only when <40% maxHP

You are being missleading and you know it.

AhristocatsJan 6, 201712 votes

exposed weakness is taken by supports and some junglers like zac

I know that they have conditions, but it doesn't matter because it can multiplie your damage by a LOT and this is what causes damage creep

i didn't say "OH LOOK GUY YOU GET FREE 26% BONUS DAMAGE WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING", i said you can potientially get 26% bonus damage which is retarded because damage creep right now is retarded

Raid Boss MordeJan 7, 20172 votes

You said you can get 26% additional damage, which isn't true.

The 7% through penetration isn't increasing your damage by 7%, it's making your damage go through either their Armor or Magic Resist by 7%, which doesn't translate to "7% more damage".

Sire HippingtonJan 7, 20179 votes

I certainly agree that masteries add to much damage amplification, but i still have to say it: 7% penetration IS NOT the same as 7% increased damage !!!

PB4UAMEJan 7, 20176 votes

If you are talking EHP, then each point of resistance adds 1% EHP, therefore, 7 armor pen means your target has 7% less physical EHP, and the same goes for MR and magic pen. In actuality, against targets with 100+ armor/magic resist 7% pen will add more than 7% increased damage after mitigation.

GULAG 4 UJan 6, 20178 votes

Show the math please?

edit: nvm, read 260% more damage xd

MunchCrunchLunchJan 6, 20176 votes

actually its more like close to 40% if you count the keystones.

GigaPubeJan 6, 20177 votes

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actually its more like close to 40% if you count the keystones.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

MunchCrunchLunchJan 6, 20177 votes

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[zombie-brand-facepalm]

fervor gives 60 ad. 4% attack speed. 7.5% damage from a keystone. 3% more damage to allies. armor penetration . its a pretty good estimate.

BârdJan 6, 20176 votes

If you are just going on overall damage output, fine, maybe.

However, we are talking solely about damage multiplier effects here.

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20175 votes

But tanks op right?

General Esdeath Jan 6, 20175 votes

A full AD Darius at 6 items killed me as Vayne when I had a item 3046 . Nerf tanks pls rito :^(

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20174 votes

Colossus is a shied that functions while enemies cant attack you. on a longer cooldown than a lux ult late game. why is is op again? Vi courage you cant even get through her passive sheild to touch the CoC sheild its 300% wasted

XonraJan 7, 20174 votes

"The new masteries aren't intended to give -invisible power- or simply -free stats- but to give meaningful choices that compliment what your champion is already doing"

Ah, so since I'm doing damage, the masteries are just giving me a lot more damage. That makes sense.

flibitydooJan 7, 20174 votes

ummm...

exposed weakness works like this: you hit a enemy with a damaging ability and then an ally (and only an ally, you can't trigger the bonus by yourself) can deal 3% increased bonus damage. This lasts for 3 seconds.

now that's fine and dandy, but you included 2% from assassin.

Assassin works like this: if no allied champions are near you, gain 2% increased damage.

which is a bit contradictory. I guess you could have like a xerath across the map trigger it with rite of the arcane (while you are alone beating some guy up), but that's very specific and weird.

also the other increases are somewhat conditional. bounty hunter is assuming you've killed all 5 enemy champions at least once, sorcery only works on abilities, I don't think %penetration translates equally to a %global damage increase (and it can only boost one damage type magic/physical), and merciless only works on targets below a health threshold.

Pale PirateJan 7, 20174 votes

Don't forget, if the enemy has double edged sword, he takes 2.5% extra damage too.

Cosmic WarperJan 6, 20173 votes

No you can't. Not with 30 points. That's total from all trees, and most of that % damage is situational. You're misleading people and they're blindly accepting it

AhristocatsJan 6, 20177 votes

2% from sorcery 7% from bounty hunter 3% from exposed weakness 7% from penetration 2% from assassin 5% from merciless

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLL

FUK SLOW LOADERSJan 6, 20172 votes

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AhristocatsJan 6, 20175 votes

then it's even worse, if you do the math you will find more than 26% if it's multiplicatively

1x1.02 x1.07 x1.03 x1.07x1.02x1.05=1.288233008

it ends up with 28.8% damage increase

FUK SLOW LOADERSJan 6, 20173 votes

Dude are you stupid? PENETRATION IS NOT DAMAGE AMPLIFICATION. YOU CAN'T MULTIPLY THE TWO.

Bounty hunter is 7.5% at max stacks, not 7%.

Expose weakness and assassin are essentially mutually exclusive. And you can't proc expose weakness by yourself. YOU NEED SOME OTHER DUDE TO DO IT FOR YOU

And you forget all these masteries are CONDITIONAL AS FUCK1.

You would be a lot less useless if you find out the average case damage increase, not some retarded fairyland hypothetical situation that never happens (which you did wrong anyways).

General Esdeath Jan 7, 20176 votes

PENETRATION IS NOT DAMAGE AMPLIFICATION

I guess I just imagined when Talon did more damage to me when he brought armor pen runes

FUK SLOW LOADERSJan 7, 20173 votes

Retards smh

General Esdeath Jan 7, 20177 votes

smh your username says it all, the toxicity

Mecha MaIphiteJan 7, 20175 votes

It amplifies the damage, but it doesn't count as a % damage multiplier, is what I think he's saying.

For example, let's imagine I had 100% armor pen. That isn't a 100% increase overall for my physical damage; if the enemy had 200 armor, it would effectively be a 200% increase, and if the enemy had 50 armor, it would be a 50% damage increase.

XonraJan 7, 20171 votes

"Dude are you stupid?"

Are you? lol

FUK SLOW LOADERSJan 7, 20171 votes

Smh haters gonna hate. Can't argue with being right.

Ariel the CruelJan 7, 20171 votes

I know an entire four community that would happily prove that statement wrong. ;p

BârdJan 6, 201711 votes

All of the damage amp masteries are in Ferocity and Cunning.
All of the damage amp masteries are tier 4 or below.

Weasel KenseiJan 7, 20172 votes

How do you propose that you get the 2% from assassin (which requires you to be alone basically) and get 3% from expose weakness (that requires someone else with the mastery do damage to your target) without them using some long range ability to tag an enemy? Gloabal ADC ults, Lux, Ziggs, Gang P. etc. can help with this. I suspect that when you get Expose W. in most cases you will lose assassin damage.

Bit off on the 7% penetration, which I assume you mean battering blows and piercing thoughts. This is considerably variable. 7% pen vs a target with less than 100 respective resist dosnt get 7% more damage. Where as champs with more than 100 are affected more by this. Infact an ADC with 30 MR has just 2.1 MR penetrated by 7% piercing thoughts.

Im not trying to shit on your point though. I agree that damage creep is a real thing and a bit of a problem... All Im saying is that some of your numbers are a bit fuzzy there.

Lastly, because its not a solid analysis of the numbers just some percents thrown up, some not very accurate, we cant have a real discussion on damage creep based on this post. If the number representation isnt accurate, we wont have a red coming in here making a response because like I did, they will have to spend a lot of time unpacking inaccuracies presented... and theyre not going to bother. Either the presentation is clean and discussion worthy, or it is avoided.

Side note. If I had done a breakdown on damage creep and how masteries have gotten a little to much kill potential in them recently, it would have been like 10 paragraphs with lots of in depth details on various masteries. No one would have read it, much less get 40+ upvotes, so I guess theres that.