I am surpised that no one is talking about the horrific jungle exp change

SwiftKitten88··2 votes·1,528 views

just becuase its not listed on pbe...

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/MQob4lFt-upcoming-jungle-changes-for-810

the biggest issue i have is that

Jungle experience is down early game: most notably this means that routes to level (3) are not as simple as going Buff -> Camp -> Buff. Instead, you hit 3 with the following routes:

2 standard camps and a Rift Scuttler FALSE 3 camps if you include a Krug clear 4 standard camps

first of which is flat out wrong.. i have tested in pbe MULTIPLE times.. 2 standard camps and a scuttle will NOT hit you lvl 3

meaning u are ALWAYS required to do four camps or 3 and have one be krugs

this basically means w/e champ has a very strong lvl 2 clear and does that clear at high hp (im looking at you Warwick ) is going to be 100% broken because the instant your leash is done u can run to their jungle and catch them at ANY of the THREE more camps they have to do while they are guaranteed to be at low hp.

other jungler flat out wont be able to clear 3 more camps at lvl2 without getting executed

and the scuttle change

Rift Scuttler Specific Changes:

Base Health :: 800 >>> 1200 Health Scaling :: 800 +200 (after first spawn) +60 per level >>> 1200 + 25 per level Experience Granted :: 10 >>> 170 Respawn Time :: 180 >>> 150 [NEW] Now only one exists on the map at a time Initial Spawn Time :: 2:15 >>> 1:40 Gold Reward :: 70 >>> 100 Mana Reward On Death :: 10-40 (based off missing Mana percent) >>> 50-200 (based off missing Mana percent)

is horrific. it takes longer to kill and any champ wihout a form of hard CC is going to far a lot worse because they cant lower scuttles defenses

dont get me wrong, the changes to item 1039 are a fucking godsend.

but the exp and scuttle changes are horrific.

and this is coming from a person who NEVER does buff camp buff. and always does blue gromp wolves for lvl 3

16 Comments

ValyrianBlade3 votes

They changed the scuttle option, it originally got 3 with 2 other camps, but people thought it made scuttle too important and would crowd out anyone that wasn't a strong dueling jungler at level 2.

The change is there to stop junglers hitting level 3 so gosh damn early and getting to screw up a player's early Laning phase for free every game.

I play hecarim, one of the weakest early junglers / weakest level 2 in the game, and I don't foresee myself having any trouble doing that extra camp for level 3. First - you'll get the second smite charge before doing that fourth camp, so it's almost trivial. Second, scuttle is an option for one of your 4 camps now, and it does no damage. Take it after your first camp if you're afraid of getting caught there. Third, red buff. Fourth, a lot of junglers go refillable pot right now - switching to 3 health pots will give you like 150 extra HP or something (can't bother to check).

This shouldn't be a big problem, it was much needed.

JoB0b1 votes

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They changed the scuttle option, it originally got 3 with 2 other camps, but people thought it made scuttle too important and would crowd out anyone that wasn't a strong dueling jungler at level 2.

The change is there to stop junglers hitting level 3 so gosh damn early and getting to screw up a player's early Laning phase for free every game.

I play hecarim, one of the weakest early junglers / weakest level 2 in the game, and I don't foresee myself having any trouble doing that extra camp for level 3. First - you'll get the second smite charge before doing that fourth camp, so it's almost trivial. Second, scuttle is an option for one of your 4 camps now, and it does no damage. Take it after your first camp if you're afraid of getting caught there. Third, red buff. Fourth, a lot of junglers go refillable pot right now - switching to 3 health pots will give you like 150 extra HP or something (can't bother to check).

This shouldn't be a big problem, it was much needed.

Going 3 pots unless you play champs like ivern, always seems to be the way to go.

Support Position3 votes

Thank god exp is getting nerfed. I hope they continue to nerf jungle exp in the full jungle. And increase the spawn rates.

Junglers need to have to farm. Not camp a lane. Tired of their bullshit. Especially Evelynn

Metal Janna1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Support Position,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zcjmk5Av,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-12T19:43:22.475+0000)

Thank god exp is getting nerfed. I hope they continue to nerf jungle exp in the full jungle. And increase the spawn rates.

Junglers need to have to farm. Not camp a lane. Tired of their bullshit. Especially Evelynn

Name checks out.

Support Position1 votes

People only care about ranks and what people play I suppose instead of an opinion. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

JustMonika132 votes

I generally disagree with you because you are you and the stuff you tend to say is dumb

but seriously, fuck this change. These changes along with the ADC updates are going to hurt the Kindred a lot. They depend on their level 3 to duel. They’re going to get fucked over even harder by the likes of Warwick and Xin Zhao.

Malix Farwin2 votes

Why is this bad, junglers shouldn't match laner exp early game. The whole reason junglers are so strong is because their ganks are way too safe now.

Cheetah Nidalee2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zcjmk5Av,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-12T22:09:37.241+0000)

Why is this bad, junglers shouldn't match laner exp early game. The whole reason junglers are so strong is because their ganks are way too safe now.

[zombie-brand-facepalm] the op just made a big post explaining exactly what it is bad. So i'll repeat what he/she said

its going to kick out a large portion of jungler who can no longer clear because they cant safely hit lvl 3 without getting executed or running into river at absurdly low hp to try to take scuttle.

scuttle having high hp means the champs without cc cant take it at the same speed because of the way scuttles passive works

junglers like warwick who dont get low in jungle and have absurdly strong level 2 can run directly from their buff after the leash and kill you while u are low because there is no way in hell you can hit lvl 3 and stop them before they get there and u have a much longer and easier opportunity to be ganked in your own jungle because your clears is harder and slower because you are not lvl 3

so basically Warwick is going to be god teir

DOES THAT SUM IT UP FOR YOU?

JoB0b1 votes

Going buff buff camp or buff camp buff has not been an issue for any jgl I run. Especially if saving smite for 2nd buff . If having trouble ask for a stronger leash

Beerstein1 votes

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Going buff buff camp or buff camp buff has not been an issue for any jgl I run. Especially if saving smite for 2nd buff . If having trouble ask for a stronger leash

Should strong leashes even need to be a requirement? What has the jungle come to?

JoB0b1 votes

No , but if you are running a champ that has weak clears it helps. Jungle will always be a heavy picked on role from riot, because people complain any time a jungle has any sort of impact. The other day I had like 50 more farm then other jungle but we were still same level... I also had more kp... So that didn't make sense either.

Automated Riven1 votes

Nobody is talking about them because then corralled the junglers in the jungle. When the junglers scale the entire game only ever taking buffs and raptors there is a huge problem. (and wolves and gromp once in a blue moon if they happen to be there) you literally only have to path to buffs and rapters to stay competitive in levels if you are mildly successful at ganking.

Malak1 votes

I think the jungle changes will also add more diversity to the game.

Maybe we will see more lvl 2 ganks as well since getting lvl 3 takes a bit more time.

I haven't played the PBE, does 1 buff camp give you lvl 2 still?

The main reason they do this is to focus on 1v1 on the solo lanes a bit longer and make it more risky to gank early

SwiftKitten882 votes

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I think the jungle changes will also add more diversity to the game.

Maybe we will see more lvl 2 ganks as well since getting lvl 3 takes a bit more time.

I haven't played the PBE, does 1 buff camp give you lvl 2 still?

The main reason they do this is to focus on 1v1 on the solo lanes a bit longer and make it more risky to gank early

add more diversity? do u know how mnay junglers this will flat out REMOVE from the jungle becuase they would get executed to the camps if they tried to take 3 camps at lvl 2?

meanwhile champs like Warwick are going to be 100% ban if this change goes live and there is NOTHING the enemy jungler can do to stop you invading him as warwick as a stupidly strong level 2, can chase you even after your flash if your low out-trades pretty much any lvl 2 champion in the game and can easily clear without losing any hp at all.

there is literally going to be jack shit u can do to stop an enemy invade because you will be too low and wont be lvl 3.

hi ìm groot1 votes

Part of the reason I've barely touched this season is because jungle has honestly felt awful the whole time. Not necessarily weak, but there's just been so much changing so consistently, and such major changes. Shit seems like it would be a full time job to keep up with all the meta changes that have come to jungle through this season just to keep competitive enough to go to diamond. Cant riot just... mb fk off the role for a few patches for jungle mains to climb during? Lol

SwiftKitten881 votes

and this is where i say:

"I TOLD YA SO"

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