So after seeing her in every game today...

Bouncemaster Zac·Dec 13, 2016·3 votes·398 views

I've concluded that Camille doesn't just need nerfed, she needs cracked in the head with the Aatrox bat. There's less than 0 counters to her and no way to survive against her due to her innate tankiness combined with the ability to oneshot her lane opponent from full hp the instant she hits level 2, without them even being able to trade back. She's an even more untouchable Ekko. She can do everything but in turn nothing can be done against her. There's no way for her opponent to win. It's bad enough I'd honestly suggest a hotfix.

14 Comments

TheSaltyScourgeDec 13, 20162 votes

Yeah must be nice to see her instead of her being the first ban every time.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 13, 20162 votes

There's less than 0 counters to her

CoughCough Darius CoughCough

no way to survive against her due to her innate tankiness combined with the ability to oneshot her lane opponent from full hp the instant she hits level 2

Replays or it didn't happen.

She can do everything but in turn nothing can be done against her.

She has poke like mages do with skillshots? Does she have reliable peel? Does she even have very good sustain like most divers do? Get in her face and wreck her with a juggernaut.

There's no way for her opponent to win.

What champions do you play? This is the stemming problem.

Bouncemaster ZacDec 13, 20161 votes

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CoughCoughCoughCough

Replays or it didn't happen.

She has poke like mages do with skillshots? Does she have reliable peel? Does she even have very good sustain like most divers do? Get in her face and wreck her with a juggernaut.

What champions do you play? This is the stemming problem.

Darius loses hard because she has stronger all-in and can kill him faster than he can build bleed stacks and also deny his heal. He is by no means effective against her at all. I don't save replays of every game I play (or any for that matter) and that doesn't change the fact that her e-q-q+thunderlords deals 700+ damage when everyone has barely that much hp. She has great sustain and outstanding peel so you obviously don't know what her kit does. I play every Champion to some degree but when I'm top it's usually bruisers, and again, she can melt them instantly.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 13, 20162 votes

I am actually fully aware of what her kit does.

It's a pretty intricate dance she does with her opponents because her spells all require her to be a certain distance away.

Q needs you to be close, but you get the damage when you don't spam it.

W needs you to to be far away to get the sustain off, because she only gets the heal and increased damage off the outer edge of her cone. If you're close she gets nothing but lessened damage. Kinda like a conical version of Darius's Q.

Her E is completely useless without walls, but she can jump to walls to escape or engage with a dive. The dive stuns and gives her an attack speed boost for a short time.

Her R forces a fight basically.

So as Darius, you want to stay in her face so her W is useless and if you're fast you can scoop her out of her E with your own. When she hits you with her first Q you can back off so that her empowered one will miss.

Also, I wasn't aware she ran thunderlord's but then again I'm not all that surprised.

Also, you're just not familiar with all the quirks of her kit yet. When you do you'll realize she plays like a diver along the lines of J4 or Xin Zhao in that they force fights, and you know how well Darius fights divers in general.

Also, her only peel is E, which is delayed enough for it to not be able to save a carry, and her R does nothing to peel the guy you're ulting.

Just fyi.

Bouncemaster ZacDec 13, 20161 votes

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I am actually fully aware of what her kit does.

It's a pretty intricate dance she does with her opponents because her spells all require her to be a certain distance away.

Q needs you to be close, but you get the damage when you don't spam it.

W needs you to to be far away to get the sustain off, because she only gets the heal and increased damage off the outer edge of her cone. If you're close she gets nothing but lessened damage. Kinda like a conical version of Darius's Q.

Her E is completely useless without walls, but she can jump to walls to escape or engage with a dive. The dive stuns and gives her an attack speed boost for a short time.

Her R forces a fight basically.

So as Darius, you want to stay in her face so her W is useless and if you're fast you can scoop her out of her E with your own. When she hits you with her first Q you can back off so that her empowered one will miss.

Also, I wasn't aware she ran thunderlord's but then again I'm not all that surprised.

Also, you're just not familiar with all the quirks of her kit yet. When you do you'll realize she plays like a diver along the lines of J4 or Xin Zhao in that they force fights, and you know how well Darius fights divers in general.

Also, her only peel is E, which is delayed enough for it to not be able to save a carry, and her R does nothing to peel the guy you're ulting.

Just fyi.

Her abilities require being varying distances for full effectiveness yes, but she has several tools in her kit to make it incredibly easy to hit those distances at will. Two self speed buffs, a double-dash, a slow, a better J4 ult, and no meaningful cooldowns on any of them. She has all the tools needed to make sure she is in full control of any fight, regardless of what her opponent does. If she decides she wants to fight you, you fight. There is no backing away and waiting out her abilities because she's more mobile than you, period. She make look difficult or seem to have lulls in her power during wind ups, but she doesn't. She's always the one in control of the fight and the pace of the lane. Again, her E isn't her only peel. Her R is an aoe knockup plus a single target lockdown. That's a shitload of peel. Furthermore, I've played about a dozen matches each both as and against her today. I do, actually, know all the quirks of her kit by this point. She always dominates regardless of player skill or matchup. She needs gutted.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 13, 20161 votes

Just gonna point you to the gentleman (or lady) below me that gave a pretty good counter.