Manaless Champions shouldn't be building a mana sustain item.

Bouncemaster Zac·12/31/2018, 2:49:01 PM·84 votes·19,936 views

Obvious, right? Apparently not, since item 3508 has become not only an appealing pick, but a core powerspike on champs like Riven and Tryndamere because the Essence Flare passive is just too broken to pass up. Can the item be looked at? Being able to build URF mode in a normal match isn't healthy.

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Saevum12/31/2018, 3:22:59 PM67 votes

You forgot Renekton He likes it too.

Samflash312/31/2018, 4:30:25 PM17 votes

I don't see the problem. The item is intended for AD spellcasters. It's pretty similar to buying Trinity Force on champions like Gnar, Morde, Riven, etc. Even though Sheen builds off managers, the spell blade passive is still really good.

If the item itself is broken, then it can be balanced.

ChasmOfTrossm12/31/2018, 5:24:34 PM15 votes

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Obvious, right? Apparently not, since item 3508 has become not only an appealing pick, but a core powerspike on champs like Riven and Tryndamere because the Essence Flare passive is just too broken to pass up. Can the item be looked at? Being able to build URF mode in a normal match isn't healthy.

Essence reaver was so much better as a mana sustain item for ADCs. I really enjoyed building it on Varus as it gave me a nice power spike and some crit to go along with my damage.

DuskDaUmbreon1/1/2019, 12:59:27 AM14 votes

It's not really a mana sustain item anymore, just an item that has mana sustain.

Calling ER a mana sustain item is like calling item 3078 a mana item, or item 3165 a health item. Yeah it has that stat, but nobody buys it for that reason. It has it incidentally, not as the core purpose.

SociaI Justice12/31/2018, 9:30:20 PM11 votes

surely no one decent actually builds this on tryndamere lmao

LTK KoRo12/31/2018, 5:44:19 PM9 votes

ER was introduced as the mana sustain item, but then people realized that mana sustain part actually sucks, and the 30% cdr (and currently essence flare) is much better anyway.

VoraciousX12/31/2018, 9:30:35 PM7 votes

You act like this is the only instance of this ever happening. Akali quite often builds lich bane. A LOT of manaless champions have bought Trinity Force, etc etc. If the benefit outweighs the cost, it has pretty much ALWAYS been an option. You're wasting stats if you do this, but it's ALWAYS a cost vs benefit thing. Also keep in mind this is a pure damage item. Riven is a skirmisher. If she builds this she's not building something else(Generally in this case Black Cleaver and juggernaut items, because this item is more for upfront burst for her). This means she will die much easier. ADCs also aren't SUPPOSED to be building item 3025, but let's look at Ezreal for a second who breaks every new item at some point and has been building this for years. >>;

Ackelope1/1/2019, 12:50:21 AM6 votes

i've never seen any decent tryndamere player build essence reaver. i see it used to decent effect mostly on riven, jax, fiora, and renekton

Eedat12/31/2018, 4:43:41 PM6 votes

Well its not really a mana sustain items. That function easily takes a back seat to it's other passive which is what everyone actually builds it for

FéliXXX12/31/2018, 8:30:50 PM5 votes

how is that not okay but gauntlet ezreal is? why cant some1 build an item that works on the champ that they like dafuq?

Janakin12/31/2018, 4:44:36 PM4 votes

URF is the future of LoL... :-/

nelogis1/1/2019, 10:10:10 AM3 votes

Tryn doesn't build ER what the hell?

It's suboptimal on him at best

You meant to say Jax or something?

saltran12/31/2018, 4:54:41 PM3 votes

ER is a fucked up item.

Frontline Fury1/1/2019, 6:02:18 PM3 votes

I honestly feel like essence flare is completely unnecessary and ruins the purpose of Essence Reaver. It'd be better going back to lifesteal, or heck giving it a small value of attack speed constantly rather than after ulting. The item is intended for people that desire CDR and mana. Essence flare is just "complex fancy passive for complexity's sake" and would honestly fit much better as a weekly game mode / nexus blitz item effect.

Persevence1/2/2019, 2:48:12 AM3 votes

Issue is how Riot changed Essence Reaver into this type of item. It is best for top lane bruisers. It used to be a staple item for certain adcs, including xayah, sivir and lucian. Remember the f-up of patch 8.11? It destroyed the entire class of adc's, sigh. Hopefully Riot can just revert the item to the way is it.

Feel free agree to disagree to my opinion.

KoKoboto1/1/2019, 3:50:00 AM2 votes

I'm not seeing Essence Reaver Riven even being that good. If she's building to kill in one combo she's not making use of the essence reaver passive anyways. Basically, she's just using 70AD and 20% cdr. Same with Tryndamere, I never see it built on him either. Checked OPGG and Champion GG and it's not seeing high pick rates if any.

Akali is SO HOT1/1/2019, 7:29:59 AM2 votes

Why does this have so many upvotes neither of these champions build this item.

woodvsmurph12/31/2018, 7:03:55 PM2 votes

Honestly riven can basically non-stop spam her abilities w/o essence reaver so I seriously think the item's effects on her are a bit over-hyped. Sure she gets SOME use out of it, but nowhere near what a renekton or jax would get. Essence reaver gives renekton the cd's he deserves w/o having to build the item late game. But alas if you aren't fiora or an aa-based melee (yi, yas, jax) or an adc you aren't given a fair shake. Saying that, what I've said before and still think is that renek needs those cd's lowered by rank 5 to more closely reflect his cd's with essence and that the item needs to better reflect it's intended purpose of restoring mana.

MLDzXnRRR1/1/2019, 12:36:20 PM2 votes

Trynda was building the old ER, not this one.

I've found that Yi and Jax are the best users.

Riven already spams heavy, so completely transforming into Yasuo is not that big change.

But URF Jax and Yi are top tier, because they - can't be hit or permastun (while invisncible to autoattacks).

I think that there will always be champs that will work better with certain items, you can't avoid this. Nerfing the champ is the only solution - as they have done this in the past (most often because of rune interactions)

Arcane Blue Boi1/1/2019, 1:12:30 PM2 votes

This is why adcs cant have nice things. Bruisers or ad assassins abuse it item 3095 item 3508

feintfiend1/1/2019, 3:44:19 PM2 votes

What? I play a shit ton of Tryndamere and no one builds this shititem 3508, most ppl build item 3078 for the CDR as a 4th item Don't make shit up

BrightWîngs1/1/2019, 5:33:59 PM2 votes

yeah I feel the change is kinda dumb it went from a marksmen item to a bruiser item and the ones that take it dont even use a whole part of the item its not really that is OP it just doesn't make sense.

TheBrothersGrymm1/1/2019, 5:07:39 AM2 votes

i love playign vs riven and she has a 6 second 300-500 hp sheild, then ults and that sheild is on a 3 sec cd its impossable to outplay

Hammermancer12/31/2018, 7:00:04 PM1 votes

It should give you CDR based on your max mana so it'd synergize with item 3004

Rabbi Shekelberg1/2/2019, 12:58:20 PM1 votes

Items aren't about stats anymore, they're about their r%%%%%ed passives.