Cancer champs that Riot refuses to get rid off.

PiVoRx··2 votes·2,640 views

Ahri Annie Fizz Irelia Jinx Katarina Leblanc LeeSin Rengar Riven Vayne ZedNidalee (i might miss something) Nobody likes them, nobody enjoys playing against them, people main them cause they are freelo, cancerous and op as fuck, yet, still in the game and still destroy fun in matches where they are picked. Now question to Riot - WHY? "#LCSBIGPLAYS" OR SOMETHING?

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Jesus Canaj 4206 votes

None of these champs are op in any way. If you can point out what part of them has literally 0 counter play or isn't matched/one up'd by any other champion, maybe I'd consider the argument. But right now your point is "I HATE THESE CHAMPIONS. THEREFORE OP. RITO PLS NERF."

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Change vayne's percent max health damage to magic damage from true damage. Also slighlty raise le tumble cool down. I'd be fine with her then. Atm she does ridiculous damage to anything at any point in the game (plus no champs full build should just be a botrk :p) Plus she has the most self peel of any adc imo. That and a good ninety percent of her player base are a bucket of ye saltiest salt! (Atleast the ones that ive encountered) :) Riven's scaling is way too high on way too low of a cool down. As for annie I feel like the should implement something that I read on the forums once, which I believe was the idea of turning tibbers into a skill shot (more like how maokai throws a sapling) So she would throw tibbers and thats where he spawns.. atm she has no counter play to tibbers insta stun and staying away from her while she has her stun isnt counter play.. what if she never uses it? This way it's not lol their goes a full team stun and half of all of their health (or more) Everyone else I don't really see anything wrong with :p If anything Tryndamere should be taken care of one or another.. any champ that could literally go 1/27 and still hold relevance to late game due to never stop pushing is stupid and not a good concept imo.. plus he relies on rnjesus for his first blood. Anywayss I agree with you, OP only named Three that have bull shit things about them.

Jesus Canaj 4202 votes

Trynd I can agree with, I've definitely seen that issue as well, not sure what to say about that.

Annie is a burst champion. How do you counter play any other burst champion? 2 main ways imo. 1) Poke. If you poke them repeatedly from a distance, they can't fight you and you stay safe. 2) Tank. For example, in support matchups, leona is a good counter to annie in lane imo because she can survive the initial burst most of the time. Same with tanks from anywhere else. In a teamfight, try to force her to blow her stun defensively on the tanks, and you should be good. I will acknowledge flash tibbers as a problem, but flash even with all the cdr stuff is pretty significant.

Vayne, for tumble i can see a reason to agree on that. But changing the silver bolts passive to magic damage? Not sure if I agree with that, because vayne is supposed to a tank buster. That change would destroy that part of her.

Riven, I guess that's an issue? Like imo she's a snowball champion. I've seen rivens be completely useless, and I've seen others who can 1v2 - 1v3.

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Atleast change it to physical damage, I mean the magic change may be better tho, because then youd have to be a legit tank and hybrid build resistances. Either way vayne is an anything buster atm. My only problem with annie to be honest is that tibbers is an aoe instant that can stun your whole team and does a cubic ton of damage, Just make it work like a maokai sapling. Yeah i've seen rivens 1v5 XD. Her problem is she can either chase you down forever (unless you're nidalee) Or she can run away for ever. They nerfed her move speed not long ago, but she doesnt even use it anyways XD Thanks for being intelligent about this and not just calling me bronze :p

Rabid Husky1 votes

actualy its only up to 60 with 8% hp damage on vayne

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

yes of your max health lol. plus it ignore resistances because it's true damage. Im sorry but true damage is a dumb mechanic for an adc. The only counter is to build health, but you can only build so much.

Rabid Husky1 votes

very true if anything it forces cinder hulk in lane which in turn doesnt do anything when she has bork makeing 16% with her passive

SnugglePuggle946 votes

Those are not cancer, the ones that are cancer and should be removed are Ekko Tryndamere Yasuo Heimerdinger. They are more annoying, more OP, and have less counterplay than the ones you suggested. I wish these were removed. I will happily play against the ones you say more than the ones I have listed here because I absolutely despise them.

Matezoide1 votes

Heimer is fine.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

His stats are fine, but he's still cancer to play against at least for me.

Yosuke Apperu5 votes

you get an upvote for trynd.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Those are not cancer, the ones that are cancer and should be removed are Ekko Tryndamere Yasuo Heimerdinger. They are more annoying, more OP, and have less counterplay than the ones you suggested. I wish these were removed. I will happily play against the ones you say more than the ones I have listed here because I absolutely despise them.

Heimerdinger is not even close to being OP, lol.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

That comment was made a year ago. Please stop looking through my old comments just so you can bash me for them. That's rude.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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That comment was made a year ago. Please stop looking through my old comments just so you can bash me for them. That's rude.

I didn't see the date when I responded, someone bumped the thread, sorry.

MarkedOfKane5 votes

You forgot Kalista

Wiggle Dat Butt3 votes

Ahri is weak as fuck, literally like 1 in a 100 ahri players are good. Katarina players suck too, just pick Annie or someone with CC and lock her down.

Mafia LeBlanc3 votes

Rengar? Jinx? Ahri?

I actually enjoy playing against those champions - they provide plenty of counterplay, and they are a fun matchup for me. Even Fizz is enjoyable at this point.

Riven & Zed can gtfo though :)

Meep Man1 votes

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Rengar? Jinx? Ahri?

I actually enjoy playing against those champions - they provide plenty of counterplay, and they are a fun matchup for me. Even Fizz is enjoyable at this point.

Riven & Zed can gtfo though :)

Even Zed has a ton of counterplay. Riven... Ugh... I just hate this champion, always have. From my first game against her to now, it has always just been me going into lane and a Riven absorbing any form of burst I can have with a 100% bonus AD shield and then leaving me almost no chance of retaliation with her bursty, crowd control chain combo. Usually you can get away with at least a little bit of health left, but then you realize that she still has Wind Slash and can probably tower dive and live easily because her shield is off cool down, if not her Q as well. I mean, is crap health regeneration really the only thing that should be the wall for Riven to break through? Doran's Shield or Doran's Blade, both items gotten at the beginning of the game, can be purchased to bring her back up to par with other champions. Ok, so you are past the laning phase so she should power down because she was so strong during the laning phase right? Afraid not, late game her ultimate's cool down is usually around 30-40 seconds, giving her a 20% attack damage boost, increased radius on her Q and W, and more attack range with a 480 (+180% bonus AD) maximum damage ranged AoE execute. Basically, she will almost always have more AD than anyone in the game late game for EVERY fight and then, with her increased AoE radii, she will be able to easily deal large amounts of damage to multiple people at once before using her AoE execute to kill or get them all extremely low. If she screws up once because you got her with your peel tank, she can pretty easily dash away and cushion any poke damage with her now massive late game shield on about a 3.6-4.8 second cool down.

Look, Im not asking her to be gutted, but her ultimate really needs an increased cool down come late game.

I also must disagree with the OP, nearly every single one of those champions shouldn't be considered "Cancer". Also, I dont really like calling things cancer because its an inappropriate use of the word. An extreme over exaggeration.

Incarceration1 votes

thats true

Subject 53 votes

Fizz Zed Riven

The only champs I agree with. Mostly because you don't need to really manage anything with these champs with the exception of Fizz. I love playing fizz but he just is a champion that is not made to fit the actual game.

Incarceration1 votes

More like you are salty that you get outplayed over and over again.

Miss Luxanna3 votes

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Ahri Annie Fizz Irelia Jinx Katarina Leblanc LeeSin Rengar Riven Vayne Zed (i might miss something) Nobody likes them, nobody enjoys playing against them, people main them cause they are freelo, cancerous and op as fuck, yet, still in the game and still destroy fun in matches where they are picked. Now question to Riot - WHY? "#LCSBIGPLAYS" OR SOMETHING?

What he means : I lost to these champions and now I'm salty.

PiVoRx1 votes

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What he means : I lost to these champions and now I'm salty.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=MadokaMagicaLux mhm ok..

EDIT: Added nidalee

I can write a poem about every mentioned champ, why is cancer and why some are LCS priority pick since 3 seassons but i think there where enough threads about every single one.

Most of them have very little counterplay, are very safe or deal massive damage in seconds (sometimes all in one).

Miss Luxanna1 votes

Oh wow, you looked me up. You got me good there, pal. "Most of them have very little counterplay, are very safe or deal massive damage in seconds (sometimes all in one)." Almost all the champs you've listed just need to be CC'ed and they're dead. Also, if Jinx is hard to counter/very safe, etc, where's Kalista?

A lvl 80 Shoe2 votes

I agree with zed, riven, and annie. For these reasons:

Zed (if he's good) Literally can't be hit by skillshots, ever. Making cc'ing him (his weakness) difficult since most cc abilities are skillshots.

Riven (if she's good) she can dish out hundreds of damage without even being fed. It's frustrating when a riven goes 0/2 and still manages to get a kill out of a 2 v 1.

I'll add: Tristana. Huge range, she has huge trading potential with e, unparalleled pushing power with e passive. Huge disengage, huge engage, massive steroid for no cost. Her laning phase is: Push lane, take turret, if they try to fight you either "ohsht" w out because you might die, or auto attack a few times after landing e for a kill.

Oh, and did I mention trist can burst TURRETS?

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

She should not be able to put bombs on turrets.. Because then you can't even play safe behind your turret... you know why? because "The explosion radius is doubled when used on turrets." Like... really? That's beyond stupid. She was fine how she was you could play her ad or ap.. now ap is pointless.

ShinTwist2 votes

OP thinks cancer and "I lost lane to" are the same thing. Cancer is supposed to mean a champion is bad for the game. Of the champions listed only Annie, Fizz, and Vayne have mechanics that are inherently bad:

Point and click stun %HP True Damage On demand Zhonyas

Of those three things, Annie's is necessary due to mobility creep, so long as shit like Kalista exists we will need point and click CC. Even with these things I would hesitate to call even those three champions cancer. Sometimes its fine to have things like that in the game if they serve a purpose, which in all cases but Fizz's, they do, and in Fizz's case I'm just not bothered by it until he has completed an actual Zhonyas as well.

tl;dr, no cancer here.

Catastrop2 votes

I'm sorry, Ahri is cancer? AHRI!?

Lugg3 votes

Well, in this guys defense, Ahri has been one of the top 3 rated mids for like forever. She has been #1 solo q mid all season.

PiVoRx2 votes

I said i may miss something, but i didnt seen many kalista since her nerfs. Also every champion is dead when CC'ed, so its not counterplay.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Thse fucking posts...

Kats Pajamas2 votes

Here are the actual champions that take no skill and are freelo: Brand Ekko Gangplank Hecarim Ivern Jhin Kennen Lissandra Lux Orianna Ryze Syndra Taliyah MonkeyKing Yasuo

Mew Goes AD1 votes

Yet, only one champion on that entire list has an above 50% winrate in plat+ games.

Lugg2 votes

Ahri, Annie, Riven, Jinx, Vayne, Rengar, Fizz, Zed, and Kat are all over 50% in Diamond alone over the last 30 days.

Rabid Husky1 votes

you forgot MasterYi

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Pretty sure Zed is dead already. He's only seen in LCS Summer Split once, and that's a loss.

Sasogwa1 votes

Kalista ?????????????

CrimsonDawn771 votes

Ahri isn't cancer at all. She is good, no doubt, but she has definite weaknesses, and can be counterplayed. She's only as op as the person playing her is good.

xM0NST3RGamingx1 votes

camille is the most cancerous champ made riot sort out or game

Nameless Voice1 votes

I like playing against Ahri, Katarina, and Jinx. They have clear strengths and weaknesses and can be outplayed. I don't mind Irelia but I don't play top so am probably unqualified to judge. Annie is somewhat annoying but is nowhere near that bad. I haven't seen a Nidalee in forever.

The others have some merit, but the entire list is somehow missing the two worst offenders, Yasuo and Kalista (though right now she's over-nerfed to keep her out of games.)

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