Could you imagine if there was an ap version of duskblade?

Succubús GF··10 votes·551 views

I can hear the ad assassin mains crying next to the adc mains "omg rito pls nerf no counterplay" Meanwhile threads of duskblade being overpowered get downvoted to hell. But w.e better nerf mages more right>?

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Disulfiram5 votes

There was one, almost as powerful as the Duskblade, and iirc was deleted exactly for offering little to no counterplay.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Deathfire_Grasp

SwiftKitten884 votes

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There was one, almost as powerful as the Duskblade, and iirc was deleted exactly for offering little to no counterplay.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Deathfire_Grasp

yeah. i 100% agree.. it was ALMOST as powerful as duskblade. and it was DELETED becuase it offered liitle to no counterplay.

meanwhile item 3147 is MORE powerful but since AD can have it, now its suddenly "ok" by riots standards

Succubús GF1 votes

I didn't want to quote this item bc id get like a massive downvote pool of "omg you thought that was okay"

CoIpsum3 votes

Maybe cause most mages even after their nerfs are still able to play passively in lane and if anyone even thinks of making a single mistake they get blown up in a single rotation.

Ralanr3 votes

Considering how mages have much more access to range and AP items have a diversity problem (at least with AD there’s the difference between building flat and crit. Mages all only have flat, ergo their builds become more universal which causes balance issues for their kits) I can see those complaints being justified.

Duskblade should have a separate buildpath from Ghost Though.

Muzét2 votes

I could imagine it being priced at 3500g, giving AP and CDR and just the auto-attack passive not the ward one because it's mages what did you expect?

Sujiren2 votes

Lichbane?

Succubús GF2 votes

I wouldn't consider that one mainly because its auto based. I'm thinking more of "x ability does bonus damage when out of a brush, not quite auto wise"

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

Teemo hehexd

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Most immobile mages have above 50% winrate, they are fine as they are. they arent struggling to win games

Succubús GF1 votes

Because the majority of mid laners are mages so that.. makes sense? Youll see them more??? Also theres quite a few mages under 50%

Also note how not every ap is a mage nor are they mid lane strictly.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

there are also few tanks and few adc and few assassins that are under 50%, yet nobody spams the boards as much as mages about them being the weakest class. Also, pick your narative, you guys complain about assassins taking over midlane, but then say it's okay for most mages to have above 50% winrate because they are the most popular class for midlane? Also i didnt talk about pickrate, i talked about winrate, if most mages have above 50% winrate that means they are fine.

Succubús GF1 votes

ADCs are a dominant class, so that's irrelevant. The different points are ADC WILL ALWAYS be in a game the amount varies but is always over 1. Mages are indeed the weakest class, their itemization is very bad and it costs a lot more than other classes. There is like... 4 assassins in mid lane tops. One of them hasent even seen over 50% wr in over 20 patches.. And guess what she is indeed AP We complain about ad assassins mid lane because they can take item 3155 null orb and then buy item 3147 and one shot us without any repercussions, how are you not getting this?

Let me just drop some statistics on you since I'm out of game and can respond to this logically

http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics

Hit mid lane. I wont account for the people above 50% since we are talking about those UNDER 50% Yes? Also I did make the mistake of missing ekko along with lb (the ap assassin under 50%) Therefore proof is in the pudding that it isn't assassins, its the AD ones.

So anyways, back to the op.gg out of 45 champion, about 25 are under 51% 20 of them are mages. And roughly 12~ Are mages above 50% So how does this make them fine??

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

just stop your bias is showing. It's okay that midlane mages have over 50% winrate because they are the most popular picks there, but it's also okay for a marksman to have under 50% winrate because some are stronger than others. Top winrate champs in midlane are 90% AP, most assassins are 51%-50% winrate. Stop your delusional bias, mages are doing fine, those who are struggling need to be looked at and buffed.

So if their winrates are fine, their playrates are fine, and assassins win rates are also fine, why buff them? Mages cant have the same damage as asssassins, because most mages bring their damage from much much much longer range, and usually it is also coupled with utility, often even game winning utility like in case of oriana.

OP.GG is down but looking at other sites looking from lowest winrate to highest, the only champs who really struggle as AP are ryze and syndra, which both got nerfed in rather recent patches or were hit by the rune changes.

EDIT: also to your hexdrinker comment, yes i agree it should be nerfed and null orb should be adaptive damage, it's only fair - i'll agree on those points, it doesnt change the fact that mages are doing fine as they are now, and are a balanced class.

Succubús GF1 votes

Going to ignore first paragraph because it is more inflammatory than an argument

Link other sites? Then wait till op.gg is up because AFAI it is the number one league statistic site atm.

So if their winrates are fine, their playrates are fine, and assassins win rates are also fine, why buff them? Mages cant have the same damage as asssassins, because most mages bring their damage from much much much longer range, and usually it is also coupled with utility, often even game winning utility like in case of oriana. OP.GG is down but looking at other sites looking from lowest winrate to highest, the only champs who really struggle as AP are ryze and syndra, which both got nerfed in rather recent patches or were hit by the rune changes.

The Deckowner1 votes

DFG?

WalkingInACircle1 votes

Consider Essence reaver too. Morellonomicon, but better in every way.

Hexdrinker too. Ad assassins would squeal their eyes out if they had to play against it.

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