And then they amp it even more. Like who the actual fuck is working at riot and thinking "this is working as intended" I legit like have so many emotions that i cant say here because board mods would like autoban me but jfc is it holiday for them? Like they have to know these changes arent good for the game..
Popperofski16 votesPlease refer to my many threads in which riot white knights try to justify it.
jocomotion12 votes“Riot we want less damage in the game and for tanks to be hard to kill.”
“Riot that’s the opposite of what we asked for-“
“Thanks I guess, but what about damage in general-“
“Riot please”
3TWarrior2 votesdon't forget farming mechanic number...what is this, 4 or 5? Now, ANYONE CAN USE OUR CRAZY IDEAS, no more limiting it to the jungler and off-meta trick builds!
General Matty8 votesWould rather have tank meta again IMO
Fnatic ComeShot7 votesI DONT FCKNING UNDERSTAMD WHY THEY HAVENT TONE DMG YET! How long have people asked for it? The whole season? No matter what I build I still get killed in 3 secs as a full tank. And dont mind mods. These guys lost all my respect and they are just bunch of rito lickspittles. Those 8 dislikes must be them.
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Succubús GF42 votesjust because u tanks are jealous
My most played are assassins and burst mages
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Ragnaveil46 votesCarry? You mean mashing your head on the keyboard in hopes of gimping a person in .1 seconds? Sorry that the tank meta gave you trauma of a skillful experience compared to this moshpit hellhole, but christ sake.
Spank the Fox3 votesAh yes, Sejunai almost 1 rotation a carry while having 200+ Armor and MR was the epitome of skill.
Sion currently doing that with just Titanic is the epitome of skill.
Ragnaveil23 votesThose two are balancing mistakes. I can agree with you on that much, but there was no reason to outright gut the bloody hell out of them and defensive stats.
ArtumisPrime2 votesYou do realize they wouldn't have been able to do that in a proper tank meta, right? S6 (or late S5) were tank metas because tanks did assassin level damage while being unkillable, and don't count for this IMO. It was a bastardization.
Instead of toning this damage down...RIOT brought everyone else up with keystones and then by removing defenses in runes reforged.
In an ideal world, at least for me, tanks (and no one else) would deal that kind of damage. Tanks would be tanky, damage dealers would deal damage.
Spank the Fox1 votesYou do realize that’s exactly when I was talking about?
Hence I said “Sion currently”
ArtumisPrime2 votesMy point is that this isn't a problem unique to tanks, or Sion. It's the current game, as a whole. Damage is way too high across the board.
LordGeovanni1 votesTanks sacrifice range and kit fluidity to do the damage they do which is puny just that champions who are supposed tobe squishy and no where in a tanks range cries that they die when tanks reach to them as if they dont have all the tools and more to prevent that.
ArtumisPrime1 votesWhat do you mean tanks sacrifice kit fluidity? Maokai, Zac, Shen, Malphite, etc. All have abilities that synergize well with their other abilities.
They also don't sacrifice range to deal damage. They sacrifice range to get higher base statistics than their squishier counterparts. HP, armor, MR, move speed, are all generally above-average-to-good on tanks...certainly better than most ADCs, mages, and assassins.
It's the items (or lack thereof when regarding tank stats) and runes, coupled with their high base damages, that enables them to be the near-assassins that they are.
LordGeovanni1 votesWhat i mean is that each of these tanks if they cast any of their spells they cut out their auto attack unlike most ranged champions Get locked into an animation for .75-1.5 seconds.
Maokai has long wind up for his E and his E and Q lock out each other unlike if say ezreal or caitlyn was casting spells one after another.
Shen Q has a long drag time
Zac has his clunky Q long wind up E and R.
Malphite isnt as clunky as the rest he just is really short range for most of his kit.
Sure we gonna count Tanks having 50 more armor 30 more magic resist on average than mages and adcs and The same amount of hp on average as ADCS and Mages Some tanks will have more hp and some will have less hp. Especially with adcs having gotten at least 3 base hp buffs in the past 4 years and mages 2 in the same time span.
Damage has always been balanced to be stronger than defense while mages and adcs keep getting defensive buffs while tanks keep eating defensive nerfs on tanks themselves and their items. while damage classes keep getting more free damage and penetration that undoes the little defense tanks get.
Tanks also dont have more movement speed they may have 25 more movement speed than a ranged champion but ranged champions have items that give them movement speed and dont take it away like 
or on super long cooldowns and put them out alone on a long cooldown like 
they get 
and they can actually take the sorcery tree that are passive and always activated so they dont have to think and plan around it they just always get the benifit and because they do damage they can take celerity because for tanks there is the problem of not being able to catch the enemy and when you do catch them you cant do anything because mages adcs and assassins do all the damage. tanks dont even have the option for celerity anymore because it scales off of bonus movement speed so you need the previously mentioned passive movement speed items to get anything out of it or be miss fortune that people like to swear that she isnt mobile because her movement speed gets knocked off if she takes damage but she can automaticly reset it.
ArtumisPrime1 votesFlat out, I disagree with your sentiments on kit fluidity. AA weaving is not everything. There are a ton of champions who don't even need it. The only one who really has a problem with it in the champions I listed is Maokai.
As for the rest of this, you're basically arguing the same thing as what I've been saying. Items and runes are out of whack relative to where I believe the state of the game should put them.
Lastly, you're mistaken about base stat values. Have a look.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions/Base_statistics
LordGeovanni1 votesI said far more than auto attack weaving. There is also having spells with very short to no cast times that cancel out other spells cast time and both spells activate at the same time. You should look at that list press the Hp+ go down the list and take a shot for every melee tank under an adc with less hp. Your liver will shrivel you can do even better and take an additional shot for every adc you come along along the way. You can do even better and add Fighters into to that. And even better and add Assassins into that who have to be closer to a fight in a more dangerous position than adcs. THat is not counting special cases like Rakan and thresh who are technically ranged but have melee auto ranges that is not counting Mages. You might have been looking at hp at level one and forget that fights dont happen at level one most of the time and even when they do adcs have the best advantage because of their range and that no one has extra movement speed and most likely didnt start gap closers
ArtumisPrime1 votesYou didn't really say far more than AA weaving. You talked about AA weaving a bunch of times, and that you feel Zac is clunky...which is true to an extent.
Regarding the other bit of that, I think you didn't realize it sorts lowest to highest first.
Jhin and Cait are the only two ADCs really in the top half of the roster for HP growth.
Twitch and Jinx are the two highest base HP value ADCs in the game, and are rated quit highly for all base HP champions, too.
It still works out that most tanks are higher than all ADCs in terms of base HP, both at level 1 and 18. There are some exceptions, however. Like Sion, and Cho'Gath, who both scale with HP so have lower numbers of both base HP and HP growth, or Shen who has a shield...though I think his 1985 base HP at 18 is still too low.
LordGeovanni1 votesthen what is this
Maokai has long wind up for his E and his E and Q lock out each other unlike if say ezreal or caitlyn was casting spells one after another. Shen Q has a long drag time Zac has his clunky Q long wind up E and R. Malphite isnt as clunky as the rest he just is really short range for most of his kit.
shields arent health else adcs would have even lower health for the fact that they have dedicated people to shield them instead of giving them hp buffs after just crying that shield supports providing the same amount of extra temporary hp were op
Aseraan1 votesIm in love.
AirKingNeo2 votesplease nerf mages
that will reduce damage in the game by a lot
Jhins Girlfriend18 votesjust because u tanks are jealous because ya rule the league scene for many years and now riot is finalyl letting damge dealers out to do damage ya need to stop complaining and go back to the cave that ya belong. reiot will let ya out again but not now. maybe in 5 years until then stay in ur cave and behave like a good dog. ur dayt wiilllcome again
I mean there can be a balance between tank meta and damage meta...isn't the balance team supposed to try to do that?
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I mean there can be a balance between tank meta and damage meta...isn't the balance team supposed to try to do that?
Balance is what we had BEFORE the tank meta, we haven't had balance since then. Unfortunetly Morello left the League team so we will never have balance back.
3TWarrior4 votesI agree that after late season 5, things just got out of hand. If you mean that there has been a tank meta since, I do not agree with that
LordGeovanni1 votesBefore the 'tank meta' (3 melee champions protecting a shredding adc but tanks op ha lul) was a meta with 3 mages in top mid and support because mages burst was so high and cooldowns so low due to the midseason mage update. they recently got hp buffs and magic resist had been nerfed from 70 to 55 on average tank items (aka the only 2 magic resist tank items in the game at the time spirit visage and Banshee's veil)
Z3Sleeper1 votesI think they just gave up on it and said f@#$ it let's just dump everything into more damage.
Something along the lines of "at least when everyone can oneshot everyone is equally strong unlike defense metas where some champions massively outshine and undermine others cuz we dunno how to balance it"
Śhunpo1 votesTbf I think it's the assassin players who are most pissed off by the sheer amount of damage since we no longer feel special anymore. Why play an assassin when everyone is an assassin?
Volocaust1 votesTbf I think it's the assassin players who are most pissed off by the sheer amount of damage since we no longer feel special anymore. Why play an assassin when everyone is an assassin?
You can play ADC if you want to do 0 dmg. 5 item jg twitch does 100 dmg an auto to an Irelia with 3 armor items(Tabi, Randuins, GA). And she has 4k effective health, and don't count her W. Guess just shoot her 40-50 times :)
Śhunpo1 votesThat's the fault of Irelia....not ADCs as a whole, especially not Twitch. I play Twitch quite a bit still (mainly in the jg funnily enough) and honestly my damage is disgusting considering all I really purchase is attack speed.
Irelia is just broken, ADCs aren't underpowered.
Spank the Fox3 votesPatch 8.24 Dark Harvest is going to be objectively worse than the pre-rework DH.
The adaptive offense stats on minor runes have existed and not been buffed. The new resistances were buffs since they never existed.
What else changed to amp up damage?
nelogis14 votesgold is being thrown around everywhere, i have seen 600g shutdown gold on people with a single kill and 1 assist.
Killing a tower with all platings grants you over 1k gold
-> More gold -> More items -> More damage -> Faster and more snowbally games
Spank the Fox1 votes—> more defenses, try buying some
3TWarrior1 votesunless you kill your build path, they don't help much unless you are forced to build them, such as against an AD mid-laner
nelogis3 votesMight work against magic damage, not so much with physical, apart from a guy dealing 30% true damage with Conq + IE, armor is only useful when stacked like hell
Also only useful when you can satck armor and still deal 70% of the enemy squishy in a single rotation
Tanky stuff that isn't doing damage is beyond useless right now (and isn't a tank support)
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesI'm sorry. Who is building IE right now before 5th item? Let alone using both that and Conq at which point we are down to one champion who is hot garbage this patch.
Spank the Fox1 votesNobody using Conq buys IE and vice versa.
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SurrealJC3 votesYes please make this game fun again. Its not fun for most people. Like the support and the tank. You miss 1 CC and its GG. Its all about the pro scene that's all. Its no longer enjoyable to watch someone get assassinated. You went from soccer scores to football scores. From Normal Difficulty Diablo to Hell Difficulty numbers. We want Nightmare Baseball scores okay. Get it right.
Hemodek3 votesTanks are a joke, much like Riot is a joke !!! just give in to the rape and play what champs Rito wants you to play.
MasterDClone2 voteswhere was the amp up in damage, might i ask? cuz i see a shitload of nerfs coming in next patch and damage has been toned down significantly since late mid-season
3TWarrior12 votesrunes, shards and items have spiked damage ridiculously high. Nocturne for instance can kill a marksman in about a second...a single second..with just 
and 
PhantomSpirit1019 votesA second? When I'm playing a marksman, 1 second is a pleasure to have. We need 0.5 seconds.
SeeMeAsAMule2 votesAnd it's 0,5 before anything even hits you, after anything hits it explodes you up 100-0. If you are fast enough you burn your flash and have 35% chance to survive. If your flash is not up, it's pretty much same what you are doing on that point.
3TWarrior3 votesnot entirely sure. My initial estimate put the attack's time at roughly 0.7 seconds if executed properly, the person I was talking to said 0.2 but that seems way too low given noc's animation times and human input speed combined with lag
SeeMeAsAMule1 votesAnd Oriana with DK can one shot ADC with lvl 2 R, running only 
. Seems balanced overal to me. Oh and DK running shadow assasin kayn with half copleted jungler item and half copleted dusk blade 100% one shots ADC without R. "fun game"
3TWarrior3 voteswhat's DK ? as a joke, it brings to mind Donkey Kong XD