Every single champ designed by CertainlyT is unfun to play against

Ecodeath·Sep 12, 2015·106 votes·8,185 views

Sadly not joking. (before gutting)

all these champs are unfun in lane and suck to play against

161 Comments

MatezoideSep 12, 201515 votes

CertainlyT's Mordekaiser is twice as unfun to play as/against/with than old ever was.

Except maybe for 13 Health Pots Mord

TenSlashTenSep 13, 20154 votes

lmfao i remember that shit.

13 health pots renekton. Vlad. Mord.

myfucking god. lmfaooo

this game was so funny back in s1/s2/early season 3 i don't know why they made so many stupid changes.

13 health pots was hilarious to me. I didn't even play those champs I just thought it was hilarious.

I'm a jungler so laneing is a bit herp derp to me, always has been...

But It's just so funny.

Malicious MetalSep 13, 20152 votes

What was the core reasoning for making morde a duo laner again? Ah yes! He was unhealthy in solo lanes. I don't know what they're smoking at RiotHQ but pass me some of it.... Unhealthy.... Sure. Pissing off two people at once's way more healthy, am I right?

SalronSep 12, 201510 votes

Meanwhile we look at Xypherous' designed champions(so fun) Fizz Heimerdinger Lulu Nautilus Orianna Renekton Riven But no, CertainlyT is the only person to have ever designed unfun champions at Riot according to G&B

ScreamPasteSep 12, 20158 votes

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Meanwhile we look at Xypherous' designed champions But no, CertainlyT is the only person to have ever designed unfun champions at Riot according to G&B

Of those champions only Fizz and Heimer compare, Lulu is only annoying as a solo laner, and the rest are great, the last three being some of the best designs in the game.

SlytherinUmbreonSep 12, 20158 votes

I guess Renekton does deserve some rep for back when he actually was oppressive, but you're right.

Captain AishiSep 13, 20152 votes

even when renetkon was a priority pick, he wasn't truly oppressive, you could still pick almost any champion you wanted to lane against him, you'd either have a rough laning phase with the possible outcome of outscaling him in teamfights later on, or be a bigger lane bully (olaf/darius early S3) and have Renekton be the one with slightly better teamfighting later on

he was as close to a 'harsh but fair' champion as it gets

SaltyKrackaSep 12, 201540 votes

Are you seriously complaining about Orianna?

NarasimhaSep 12, 20156 votes

I don't know about complaining, but she has always been a top pick, just as much as Thresh.

Tails DollSep 12, 20159 votes

She is regarded as one of the most, if not THE most, balanced champions in league right now. Sure there was a point where she was broken AF, but there isnt any reason to bitch about her right now. Same as Naut/Rene, who just come and go. Hei is annoying but has a lot of counter play and defined weak points that are easy to exploid, and Lulu its basically pre balance ori, too good at everything.

Fizz is fizz.

NarasimhaSep 12, 20152 votes

Do note that I never said she was broken, or unbalanced. I merely stated the fact that she's always been a highly valued competitive pick.

VerxintSep 13, 20151 votes

She's a top pick because she has arguably the BEST ultimate in the entire game. That doesn't make her OP.

DemaciaClownSep 13, 20153 votes

Come on mang, dont you LOVE screaming COWAAARDS then ulting away from the enemy team.

hi hi its zy zySep 12, 201511 votes

[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zPLEjEP3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-12T16:05:18.010+0000)

Meanwhile we look at Xypherous' designed champions(so fun) But no, CertainlyT is the only person to have ever designed unfun champions at Riot according to G&B

Riven is only broken because of her animation cancelling, not the actual kit. If they removed all her animation cancels and then buffed her accordingly she'd be perfectly fine. Orianna is the epitome of counterplay. Lulu is a very well designed champion and is necessary to survive heavy dive comps and assassinations, just like Janna. Heimerdinger is fun to lane against for me because he's cute :P I never play top so idk about renekton but I'll agree on nautilus and fizz >.>

XeynidSep 12, 20155 votes

Riven was designed to be able to cancel her animations. It's not a bug, it's part of what they were trying to design Riven to do.

Guy Fox TeemoSep 12, 20156 votes

IT was a bug, and they left it there after the fact. Just like Alistar's Q W combo was a bug, but they saw it was a good combo and left it there.

4ManVotedAgainstSep 12, 20159 votes

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KeevalroySep 12, 20157 votes

"We want to avoid creating frustration."

NarasimhaSep 12, 20157 votes

See, this is what we call an OPINION.

For example, I hate laning against Caitlyn and Akali . Should I go after their creators too?

LeeerzeichenSep 12, 20155 votes

i have no problems with those champions. Alistar , Azir , Annie , Chogath , Leblanc , Lux , Malzahar , Viktor , Ziggs are really unfun to play against imo.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 12, 201512 votes

Ziggs?

Why don't you like Ziggs?

Only Play DariusSep 12, 201510 votes

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Ziggs?

Why don't you like Ziggs?

Four words.

All Random All Middle

TurquoiseYoshiSep 12, 20153 votes

Eh, poke mages have always had good kits for ARAM.

Only Play DariusSep 12, 201511 votes

Another reason people hate Ziggs is because he has ridiculous ranged waveclear and also global waveclear which removes side lane pressure at the push of a button, he tends to stall out games to painful lengths.

SpecterVonBarenSep 13, 20153 votes

At least his ult has a decent cooldown unlike Lux who gets a 30 second ult with max cdr.

LeeerzeichenSep 12, 20151 votes

He is one of those stupid long range poke champions. He almost never fights with you, instead he's throwing bombs from his tower. I hate all safe (long range/cc/strong disengage) poke champions. I want to play against champions that actually fight you, get punished for mistakes and need a good outplay to beat them instead of endless skillshot dodging. That's why i like to play as or against champions like yasou, zed, diana, fizz, talon, yi, akali, katarina, ekko, ....

TurquoiseYoshiSep 12, 20151 votes

True, but he was made for that. Just try to hard engage him and you'll stomp him.

LeeerzeichenSep 12, 20152 votes

You can say the same thing for darius or morde. Just kite them and you'll stomp them. Or for yasou just poke him and stomp him. It isn't always that easy to engage him because he's out of range, you are to low, he is under his tower or he disengaged well.

Chicken4dinnerSep 13, 20155 votes

CertanlyT is probably in counselling right now after all of this,

Nearly every front page (when posts get cycled) has someone bitching about him

Silents429Sep 13, 20154 votes

Wow such a unique post that isn't upvote whoring at all.

CaythelesSep 13, 20154 votes

This is how you LEARN how to beat thresh.. Atleaste this is how i did.

Learn how to play thresh at a higher than average lvl
Play thresh into ranked until you lose in lane and in fights. 3.(laning wise) Figure out what enemy support beat you and why
Learn Said champion (for me it was bard) and master it to your lvl of mastery with Thresh
Play thresh again and learn more on the champion.

This is how i learned to play against a Thresh Player. i became a thresh main myself and Took notes on what was able to beat me. I then asked the enemy i fought what their secret to that champion was. and i picked up data NOT ONLY on thresh, but on other Supports Widening my pool of Support Champions.

CaythelesSep 12, 20153 votes

i have lots of fun with thresh D: he is my favorite playmaker.

EcodeathSep 12, 201517 votes

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i have lots of fun with thresh D: he is my favorite playmaker.

its fun to play thresh but its not fun to play against him :(

TyroneWatermelonSep 12, 20158 votes

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i have lots of fun with thresh D: he is my favorite playmaker.

They fun to play with. Few of the most unfun to play against. Every champion can make plays btw.

CaythelesSep 12, 20153 votes

Tryndamere cant make plays, he can aa shit and ult. Also i Lov playing VS thresh if they are any fun. Just pick alistar vs him and PUSH THAT MOTHAFUCKA right into our turret. ifs alot of fun.

TyroneWatermelonSep 12, 201512 votes

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Tryndamere cant make plays, he can aa shit and ult. Also i Lov playing VS thresh if they are any fun. Just pick alistar vs him and PUSH THAT MOTHAFUCKA right into our turret. ifs alot of fun.

Flash/E crit to death is considered play. Same with flash blind Teemo. Everyone can make plays.

CancerNoobUselesSep 12, 20153 votes

darius is pretty good now stop complaining

stealthfox94Sep 12, 201542 votes

Release Darius was very un-fun to play against.

Captain AishiSep 13, 201515 votes

release darius was more fun than current darius, sadly enough :(

Big LincolnSep 13, 20157 votes

i think rework darius is way more fun on both ends

ZedexSep 13, 20157 votes

Several champs at their release level were broken.

Several champs not designed by CertainlyT are "toxic" and unfun to play against.

Yet this forum community is biased towards hating on a certain Riot developer. Its starting to feel like the old WoW forums and their constant attacks on Ghostcrawler pertaining to events they had no understanding of.

Few champs that are super "unfun" to play against that were not designed by CertainlyT :

Akali Blitzcrank Katarina Vladimir Riven Nidalee

I can keep going, but I won't bother. The bias and hipster hate on CertainlyT on these boards is disgusting. Next month you'll be complaning that the dev who made Riven and Vlad should be fired.

Chromatic EagleSep 13, 20154 votes

People complain about several champions that weren't made by CT, but how many designers make almost all of their creations unfun?

Romans VI XXIIISep 13, 20156 votes

You are 100% correct, several champs not design by CertainlyT are toxic and not fun to play against

BUT EVERY SINGLE CHAMPION, every single one....ill say it again....every single one. That CertainlyT has design reworked, even looked at has been or still is toxic and not fun to play against. That is the problem.

But that's not why the community is so hating towards him. They are this way because when CertainlyT was doing reworks on champions he completely ignore EVERY SINGLE piece of useful feed back, he VERY rarely replied to anything, and when he did it was always a response like "Im doing it my way cause I can" shoving his agenda through not just ignoring the player base but infuriating them as well.

That is how HE created this anger and baise. The sad part is that other Devs have come out(on CertainlyT's behalf) and talked to the player base ABOUT CertainlyT's creations, AND they actually listened and replied and made the players feel important. So why can't CertainlyT ddo this? Its his own attitude that has created this hate and anger.

Ancestor007Sep 13, 20152 votes

Unfortunately, he only makes the kits, not the numbers

Only Play DariusSep 12, 201513 votes

He's less toxic to play against now but he still has many of the same kit problems as before.

Pre-rework Darius was a mistake champion that never should have been released in that state and therefore had to be intentionally kept weak because laning against him was the most horrible experience you could have in the game.

Troll for TrumpSep 13, 20152 votes

Teemo Bullsht

SaiannaSep 13, 20151 votes

This joke is old and lame tbh

Troll for TrumpSep 14, 20151 votes

Not jokin. Serious. Prerework teemo had so much map control and objective control with shrooms everywhere and was a really oppresive lane opponenet. He was difficult to gank post 6, crushed any AA reliant champs(and hurts ADCs), and kited so well. his poison really helped his harass, and liandries+shroom slow does so much dmg. As a full ap caster he still kites, but his shrooms hurt even more and he burst down squishies really quickly(still has pretty consistent ) Teemo has a really annoying kit and still is an oppresive lane bully, but not as much due to his rework.

SaiannaSep 14, 20151 votes

Sigh. I disagree with you.

And I'm sorry but I'm kinda tired explaining why you might be wrong. Lets just say this: If your team slowly wins = teemo is kind of meh, when your team gets pushed = he shines. He has lots of disadvanteges .