I, for one, enjoy the Xin changes

Ecodeath·Feb 13, 2016·143 votes·8,454 views

that being said i main xin

at least from patch 6.3 i do

edit: bonus vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wisiYqctp4I

77 Comments

TroiannFeb 13, 201696 votes

Yeah I picked him up yesterday and his mechanics feel very fun and interacting and interesting. I think I've found myself a new champion I definitely enjoy playing and adore with all my heart. Before this patch I mained graves because he was also very fun and interactive. I think more champions like these should be implemented into the game, truly beautiful.

ArakadiaFeb 13, 20164 votes

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Avios1Feb 13, 201645 votes

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/384/ded.gif

Rew711Feb 13, 201611 votes

Hey look, its me in a picture... oh......

ZioviFeb 14, 20161 votes

You are the joke, right?

Kadeem KongFeb 14, 20161 votes

Ok hype beast

DU BaymaxFeb 15, 20161 votes

are

are you trolling?

very fun and interesting and interacting mechanics?

your typical xin combo

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when people talk about a champion you can play by rolling your face on the keyboard, xin zhao is pretty much the epitome of that.

MadraFeb 13, 201633 votes

Lots of people are maining Udyr and Lux these days, too.

TaoistMasterFeb 13, 201616 votes

bring on the Zed and Talon mains too

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doombotMECHAFeb 14, 20162 votes

honestly the main fotmers are the zed mains. talon's just kinda along for the ride. that being said, i own both of them.

DrProfVibeCheckFeb 14, 20166 votes

I hate it when your main is FoTM. Everyone will think you're bandwagoning trash. :c

ArakadiaFeb 13, 201612 votes

"Lux isn't broken, she just is very safe with 2 AoE CC spells, a sheild, wonderful scaling, low cd strong ult, easy skill shots (especially that E), support capabilities, and great range! I mean look at all her weaknesses!"

"Udyr isn't just a big ball of stats with on-hit effects, he's a difficult champion with a high skill cap." Hes so fast though with CC, tankyness, waveclear, and melts squishies... Although idk if hes broken at all.

kaltenashesFeb 13, 20162 votes

"Lux isn't broken, she just is very safe with 2 AoE CC spells, a sheild, wonderful scaling, low cd strong ult, easy skill shots (especially that E), support capabilities, and great range! I mean look at all her weaknesses!"

lux in my silver mmr, were so bad against zed (and missed every single skill), oh wait zed is much more popular now with a new toy (dont get me started on ahri... recently an ahri in my team lost mid lane to nami)

"Udyr isn't just a big ball of stats with on-hit effects, he's a difficult champion with a high skill cap." Hes so fast though with CC, tankyness, waveclear, and melts squishies... Although idk if hes broken at all.

i thought udyr was high skill cap, but then i watched 5 min of a trick2g video

yoniameFeb 14, 20161 votes

ahri is on a pretty weak spot, i just really want her old E back

ArakadiaFeb 14, 20161 votes

ikr

RavenstikerFeb 14, 20164 votes

{quoted}

"Lux isn't broken, she just is very safe with 2 AoE CC spells, a sheild, wonderful scaling, low cd strong ult, easy skill shots (especially that E), support capabilities, and great range! I mean look at all her weaknesses!"

"Udyr isn't just a big ball of stats with on-hit effects, he's a difficult champion with a high skill cap." Hes so fast though with CC, tankyness, waveclear, and melts squishies... Although idk if hes broken at all. -Riot Games

Fixed

ArakadiaFeb 14, 20165 votes

Balance is weakness... -Riot Games

Oh! And Zed!

RikariFeb 14, 20162 votes

"2 AoE cc spells" A slow line skillshot and an AoE slow for 130 mana. a 3 second "sheild" that is a skillshot with horrible scaling. low cd strong ult? well you have half a second to react to it,next to a line showing where its going. "easy skill shots" with audio and visual warnings on all "support capabilities" happens when your secondary is support "great range" on some of the slowest moving spells,unlike Xerath "all her weaknesses" gap close gg,no mobility,bad mana, relies on her Q a lot,slow skillshot reliant,high cooldowns,dangerous passive.

Have you seen Udyr's ultimate? Compare similar champs Leblanc and you notice he's fine.

ArakadiaFeb 14, 20167 votes

"2 AoE cc spells" A slow line skillshot and an AoE slow for 130 mana. a 3 second "sheild" that is a skillshot with horrible scaling. low cd strong ult? well you have half a second to react to it,next to a line showing where its going. "easy skill shots" with audio and visual warnings on all "support capabilities" happens when your secondary is support

an AoE slow for 130 mana.

Her E is so easy to land, you can't really say its a skillshot. Her Q isnt that hard to land. With Mejai's Soultealer giving her mana AP, and wat every it gives, for each kill, she won't have that bad of mana costs. Shes snowbally so getting stacks won't be hard and shes safe so losing them isn't easy. You say her E costs 130 mana, which is true but at max rank. At max rank, level 9 i believe, you will have 701 mana plus any runes and masteries. You will also have a mejai's likely so mana isn't a problem.

A slow line skillshot and

Her Q is not slow. It has 1175 range and travels 1200 unnits per second. It will take slightly less then 1 second for it to reach max range, assuming the target is at the farthest range. It passes through the first target and onwards so minions aren't nearly as much of a problem. Its semi wide.

a 3 second "sheild" that is a skillshot with horrible scaling. low cd strong ult? well you have half a second to react to it,next to a line showing where its going.

A 3 second AoE sheild that is an easy skillshot with not bad scaling. Karma's single target sheild has 15% stronger scaling but has lower range and is not AoE.

Her ridiculously low cooldown ult has 300/400/500 base damage, 75% AP scaling, 3340 range, a short .5 second delay to let enemies try to dodge its wide AoE, and with full CDR a 27.5 second cooldown. Without CDR and even at 1st rank it has a low cooldown, especially compared to weaker, single targeted, and/or balanced champion ults. Lets not forget that her ult consumes her passive, which at level 18 deals 154 MORE damage with 20% AP scaling.

Heres some math: (Do not judge my lux build as I do not play her). Lets say the enemy lux has this build:

item 3089 item 3135 item 3041 item 3165 item 3157 item 3020

This build, NOT even including runes and masteries btw, will give Lux 681.75 AP. Void Staff will give her 35% MR penetration and sorcerer's boots will give her 15 MR pen. 681.75 times .75 = 511.3125 damage just from her ultimate alone. Now lets say she landed one spell on you, applying her passive. 290.5 damage from just procing her passive with this build. Add that to her ult, 290.5 + 681.75 = 972.1 damage from her ult and passive. Lets look at Viktor who at lv 18 will have approximently 1800 health. Thats about half of Viktor's health just from her passive and ult. Not even counting the passive's a good Lux would weave in between her spells. Her Q and E are there too if somehow Viktor isn't dead. This again is not counting runes or masteries. Lux's ult by itself will deal 681.75 damage on a 27.5 second CD with 3340 range and a measly .5 delay.

"easy skill shots" with audio and visual warnings on all "support capabilities" happens when your secondary is support

Every champion has audio warnings and visual warnings is just the skillshot shooting out which is expected. Everychampion's skillshots can be seen as they travel and I believe all of them make a sound. I just said she has supporting capabilities as thats even more that she has in her kit.

"great range" on some of the slowest moving spells,unlike "all her weaknesses" gap close gg,no mobility,bad mana, relies on her Q a lot,slow skillshot reliant,high cooldowns,dangerous passive.

Every single one of her spells has much over 1000 units of range. Her ult has 3340. Her spells aren't slow. Her W is not even hard to land as it comes back, is very wide, and automatically hits lux so she can't miss it on herself. I doubt you'll miss you W unless you derped and your mouse was in the wrong spot. Her Q, as said above and why, is not hard to land. Her E is basically a targeted ability as it has large AoE and can be activated before it reaches the targeted area so that it will instantly explode. So her W and E aren't at all hard to land and can be considered skill shots. Her Q isn't hard to land, but its just another skillshot to land. It takes less then one second to reach max distance, assuming the target is at max distance, roots for 2 seconds, and at rank 1 with 70% AP scaling deals 60 magic damage. At max rank it deals 260 base damage along with 70% of your AP, a 2 second AoE root, and takes less then a second to hit. Her spells are not slow, her Q, E, and R have a less then one second delay to reach max range (less if the enemy is closer) and you can see above on why else their not hard to land.

Her mana isn't that bad. Her cooldowns are not bad at all, actually slightly better then decent and her ult is bonkers. QUICK skillshots, and idk how her passive is dangerous as its simple, strong, and she has large basic attack range. Shes not mobile like many balanced mages, but makes up with that with great AoE CC and a sheild along with range. If someone gap closes her she can easilly Q them as they are close up, walk back with her high MS (because of her stats, boots, and Mejais) AA 4 passive>E>Ult>AA> ignite if necesary. If they jump on her again or deal alot of damage to her she can just sheild hersefl.

Have you seen Udyr's ultimate? Compare similar champs and you notice he's fine.

LB is broken imo. Karma is broken at the moment i think, im not sure though as shes underplayed. I never said Udyr was broke at all. I said he was annoying and uncreative. Hes not interactive either and hes just a big ball of stat buffs and on-ht effects. He's just boring and just doesn't fit his theme.

P.S: I can totally see Lux is fair and balanced :P Lux

RikariFeb 14, 20163 votes

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(Do not judge my lux build as I do not play her).

Well your argument just got a whole lot more invalid right there.

With Mejai's Soultealer giving her mana AP, and wat every it gives,** for each kill, she won't have that bad of mana costs.** Shes snowbally so getting stacks won't be hard and shes safe so losing them isn't easy. You say her E costs 130 mana, which is true but at max rank. At max rank, level 9 i believe, you will have 701 mana plus any runes and masteries. You will also have a mejai's likely so mana isn't a problem.

With this logic,nothing has mana problems. Runes and masteries for mana? Who does that? Her E is still the most expensive spell in the game. Btw she relies more on athenes more than mejais for mana. Theres also the fact that she has poor waveclear without her ultimate,and spending 130 mana to NOT clear a wave isn't worth it. Her passive is borderline useless as its a short ranged auto attack,putting her in danger.

Her E is so easy to land, you can't really say its a skillshot. Her Q isnt that hard to land. Her Q is not slow. It has 1175 range and travels 1200 unnits per second. It will take slightly less then 1 second for it to reach max range, assuming the target is at the farthest range. It passes through the first target and onwards so minions aren't nearly as much of a problem. Its semi wide.

Her E is easy to land? Why? Her Q is not slow? Ok... Her E has 1100 range and 1300 speed. Her Q(Light Binding) has a Range of 1175 and Speed of 1200. 1100-1175 max range,1200-1300 speed so if that hits you at 1175 range,that means surely... Ziggs' Q will hit you at 1400 max range and 1700 speed,also bounced over minions. Morgana's Q will hit you at 1175 range for 1200 speed. You consider nidalee bannable for her Q having 1500 range and 1300 speed. Sivir gonna own you for her Q having 1250 range to 1350 speed and is slightly debuffed with minion collision. Best Ban Syndra for her E having 1100 range to 2500 speed. Thats hard CC that ignores minions too. TF will be a problem for his Q having 1450 range to 1000 speed ignoring minions. Varus is the top ban for 1625 range to 1850 speed on his Q,unit collision. oh the god Xerath of 1400 range on his Q,1100 range on his W,1050 range and 2300 speed on his E. 2/4 spells w/ minions ignored. Ryze might own you with his Q having 900 range to 1400 speed. Vel'Koz,or Lux V2 as i have been told gonna wreck you with 1050 range on his Q and W. Viktor is a problem with 1050 range and 1350 speed on his E,no minions. Ahri has 800 range,1700 speed on her Q,975 range to 1600 speed on her E. Brands a general pain with 900 range on his W,1050 range and 1550 speed on his Q,no minions. Gotta get that QSS for Fizz's R,1275 range and 1300 speed,no winions. Blitz has 925 range and 1750 speed on his Q. Jayce's Q has 1050-1470 range and 1450-1890 speed on his Q. Lulu's Q has 925 range to 1500 speed. That's what,9 champs you cant deal with,11 spells that ignore unit collision more than Lux's Q and 15 skillshot spells that make Lux's spells look "not that slow" for her range.

The skillshot shield? Really? Name another champion with a skillshot shield. Not bad scaling? 180 base to 35% AP for 3 seconds is bad. This thing begs for Mejais. oh and,If you press R before you press E on Karma,the shield** IS **AoE.

Her ridiculously low cooldown ult has 300/400/500 base damage, 75% AP scaling, 3340 range, a short .5 second delay to

Zhonya

let enemies try to

Zhonyas

dodge its wide AoE, and with full CDR a 27.5 second cooldown. Without CDR and even at 1st rank it has a low cooldown, especially compared to weaker, single targeted, and/or balanced champion ults. Lets not forget that her ult consumes her passive, which at level 18 deals 154 MORE damage with 20% AP scaling.

Its an ultimate. Its going to be good. Its too short ranged to be treated as a global and too long ranged to be a close ranged ultimate. Its very Unique. It can't be changed. Xerath gets better range and better single target damage. This is however apples to oranges as he mas better mana,better poke,better waveclear,better cc...etc. Zigg's ulti has better range and similar scaling for far better AoE too. Now,Lets call her ulti global for your sake. It has a low cooldown,ok. High base damage,ok,good scaling,ok. So... you want 1 second warning to dodge all that,and dance too? A guy hit you with a skillshot from 3340 range? AP Ezreal,Jinx and Draven scales better than this. You have trouble dodging D's axes on the way back I imagine.

Heres some math: (Do not judge my lux build as I do not play her). Lets say the enemy lux has this build:

This build, NOT even including runes and masteries btw, will give Lux 681.75 AP. Void Staff will give her 35% MR penetration and sorcerer's boots will give her 15 MR pen. 681.75 times .75 = 511.3125 damage just from her ultimate alone. Now lets say she landed one spell on you, applying her passive. 290.5 damage from just procing her passive

Stop right there. How the f**k can you bring up her passive after bitching about range for so long? You want to compare Lux's damage with short range mages now? Sure. Ryze,Annie,Brand,LeBlanc,Ahri,Malzahar,Viktor,Veigar and Zyra ALL punish harder for landing on spell in terms of CC and damage WITHOUT Mejais.

Add that to her ult, 290.5 + 681.75 = 972.1 damage from her ult and passive.Lets look at Viktor who at lv 18 will have approximently 1800 health. Thats about half of Viktor's health just from her passive and ult. Not even counting the passive's a good Lux would weave in between her spells. Her Q and E are there too if somehow Viktor isn't dead. This again is not counting runes or masteries. Lux's ult by itself will deal 681.75 damage on a 27.5 second CD with 3340 range and a measly .5 delay.

What is it you want? A mage who can't kill you with all her spells and Mejais? Ok lets talk about the passive then. Lux has 550 attack range and 23.1 attack speed at 18. Q+AA= 1.5 seconds. passive is now gone. E->R= 1 second.

within 2.5 seconds for 550 range: Malz will kill you safely. Kennen will kill you safely. Heimerdinger will kill you safely. Cassipoeia will kill you safely. Brand will kill you safely. Annie will kill you safely. Ahri will kill you safely. Ryze will kill you safely. Syndra will kill you safely. Vel'Koz will kill you safely. Veigar will kill you safely,hell,give him 0.1 seconds if you use AP. Assuming Lux has rooted you,you can still fight back. 9 of these champs have actual hard cc to prevent that.

Every champion has audio warnings and visual warnings is just the skillshot shooting out which is expected. Everychampion's skillshots can be seen as they travel and I believe all of them make a sound. I just said she has supporting capabilities as thats even more that she has in her kit.

Support capabilities,being a barrier,I assume?

Every single one of her spells has much over 1000 units of range. Her ult has 3340. Her spells aren't slow. Her W is not even hard to land as it comes back, is very wide, and automatically hits lux so she can't miss it on herself.

Ok. Imagine a world where barriers missed the user. Fizz I took barrier vs Viktor but when i pressed D is missed me! wtf rito? /All Riven why didn't you shield yourself Riven /All IT MISSED OK Aatrox y no sheidl karma Karma shield? It missed me

I doubt you'll miss you W unless you derped and your mouse was in the wrong spot. Her Q, as said above and why, is not hard to land. Her E is basically a targeted ability as it has large AoE and can be activated before it reaches the targeted area so that it will instantly explode. So her W and E aren't at all hard to land and can be considered skill shots. Her Q isn't hard to land, but its just another skillshot to land. It takes less then one second to reach max distance, assuming the target is at max distance, roots for 2 seconds, and at rank 1 with 70% AP scaling deals 60 magic damage. At max rank it deals 260 base damage along with 70% of your AP, a 2 second AoE root, and takes less then a second to hit. Her spells are not slow, her Q, E, and R have a less then one second delay to reach max range (less if the enemy is closer) and you can see above on why else their not hard to land.

Her mana isn't that bad. Her cooldowns are not bad at all, actually slightly better then decent and her ult is bonkers. QUICK skillshots, and idk how her passive is dangerous as its simple, strong, and she has large basic attack range. Shes not mobile like many balanced mages, but makes up with that with great AoE CC and a sheild along with range. If someone gap closes her she can easilly Q them as they are close up, walk back with her high MS (because of her stats, boots, and Mejais) AA 4 passive>E>Ult>AA> ignite if necesary. If they jump on her again or deal alot of damage to her she can just sheild hersefl.

Why did you state this twice? You aren't good at this.

LB is broken imo. Karma is broken at the moment i think, im not sure though as shes underplayed. I never said Udyr was broke at all. I said he was annoying and uncreative. Hes not interactive either and hes just a big ball of stat buffs and on-ht effects. He's just boring and just doesn't fit his theme.

Compare their ultimates to a normal ultimate.

P.S: I can totally see Lux is fair and balanced :P

You should,since her last numerical damage change to spells was way back in season 1, a change to her shield. Since that shes been getting QoL buffs from season 1 straight up till now. Since then nobodys been bitching about her. Seems like you can't tell the difference between popular,balanced and overpowered.

ArakadiaFeb 14, 20162 votes

With this logic,nothing has mana problems. Runes and masteries for mana? Who does that? Her E is still the most expensive spell in the game. Btw she relies more on athenes more than mejais for mana. Theres also the fact that she has poor waveclear without her ultimate,and spending 130 mana to NOT clear a wave isn't worth it. Her passive is borderline useless as its a short ranged auto attack,putting her in danger.

Her E is the most expenisve spell in the game?? Since when? Shen's E takes nearly have his resource pool, Swain's ult is clearly more mana hungry, Kass's ult after 2 uses is much more expensive, Kog'maw's ult is more expensive. Those are just the champions I can think of right now. She has 1183 mana so her E won't be even 1/10 her mana. Not to mention she will have a Mejai's and/or item 3165 / item 3174 so this won't be a problem. Lux has poor waveclear, but so does Swain, Annie, Lulu, katarina, and some non-midlaners like Shen and Rammus. You make her passive sound like a chore, its really not that hard and gives you a instant proc for thunderlords.

Her E is easy to land? Why? Her Q is not slow? Ok... Her E has 1100 range and 1300 speed. Her Q(Light Binding) has a Range of 1175 and Speed of 1200. 1100-1175 max range,1200-1300 speed so if that hits you at 1175 range,that means surely... Ziggs' Q will hit you at 1400 max range and 1700 speed. Morgana's Q will hit you at 1175 range for 1200 speed. You consider nidalee bannable for her Q having 1500 range and 1300 speed. Sivir gonna own you for her Q having 1250 range to 1350 speed. Best Ban Syndra for her E having 1100 range to 2500 speed. Thats hard CC too. TF will be a problem for his Q having 1450 range to 1000 speed. Varus is the top ban for 1625 range to 1850 speed on his Q. oh the god Xerath of 1400 range on his Q,1100 range on his W,1050 range and 2300 speed on his E. Ryze might own you with his Q having 900 range to 1400 speed. Vel'Koz,or Lux V2 as i have been told gonna wreck you with 1050 range on his Q and W. Viktor is a problem with 1050 range and 1350 speed on his E. Ahri has 800 range,1700 speed on her Q,975 range to 1600 speed on her E. Brands a general pain with 900 range on his W,1050 range and 1550 speed on his Q. Gotta get that QSS for Fizz's R,1275 range and 1300 speed. Blitz has 925 range and 1750 speed on his Q. Jayce's Q has 1050-1470 range and 1450-1890 speed on his Q. Lulu's Q has 925 range to 1500 speed. That's what,9 champs you cant deal with,11 spells that ignore unit collision more than Lux's Q and 15 skillshot spells that make Lux's spells look "not that slow" for her range.

I told you why her E isn't hard to land. Won't repeat it. Same deal with Q My point was that her spells aren't hard to land really. Yes, she is not easy due to her skillshot nature, but her E is not even a skill shot imo, her sheild which more often then not will only be used on yourself in lane instantly hits you so you don't have to aim it, and her ult is not an easy skill shot, but not even a Galio Q in difficulty. Her Q and ult are the only real skillshots. Not to mention all her offensive abilities are AoE, along with her AoE sheild, so hiding behind your minions won't save you (not always on the Q, you can hide behind enough minions for that). I mentioned that her spells were fast to prove the point that there not that hard to land.

The skillshot shield? Really? Name another champion with a skillshot shield. Not bad scaling? 180 base to 35% AP for 3 seconds is bad. This thing begs for Mejais. oh and,If you press R before you press E on Karma,the shield IS AoE.

The reason her W has worse then average but not horrible scaling is because she deals ALOT of damage. is very safe, and is AoE. Karma's AoE sheild requires use of her ultimate and her sheild itself is a longer CD then lux's sheild.

You said you can use zonyas... Yet Lux is AP. Next your gonna want me to build MR too and take atleast 3 of my items away just to deal with Lux. Zonyas has a 90 second cooldown. WITHOUT CDR and at rank one, her Ult has a shorter cooldown. Once she gets CDR and ranks her ult up it wil get lower and lower to a possible 27.5 second cooldown. So she's gonna be using her ult faster and faster before your zonyas is back up. But also using zonyas will just immobilize you, letting her and allies get skillshots ready.

What is it you want? A mage who can't kill you with all her spells and Mejais? Ok lets talk about the passive then. Lux has 550 attack range and 23.1 attack speed at 18. Q+AA= 1.5 seconds. passive is now gone. E->R= 1 second.

I want a mage who doesn't have to land one Q and then gets a free combo and your life. Malz, Kennen, cass, heimer, brand, annie, veigar, and velkoz can all but Q'd>walk back due to high MS from boots, stats, and Mejai's>E>Ult. Lux has high range, simple skillshots 2 of which are very fast and all of them are AoE, nothing horrible mana wise, super safe, super snowbally nature, never falls off, can deal WONDERFUL damage and support allies, and has great CC.

I didn't want her W to be missable. I was saying its not really even a skillshot as it instantly applies to you. No sheild should be missable, just that her W isn't really even a skillshot she has to land half the time.

Look I showed you numbers, I showed you stats, I showed you reasons and still you think shes balanced. Im guessing theres no changin that unless Rito themselves or a famous u-tuber says so. To fix Lux they could do:

make her late game/early game
Nerf her scaling please! Shes too snowbally with her safety too, it won't be easy taking her Mejai stacks.
Make her E a skillshot to land. Make like Gregas's Q where it does more damage if left alone or something, but right now you can't really dodge it as its so big and instantly explodes. M=
Make her less safe
Either make her ult have a much longer cooldown or nerf the stats. Maybe make it do extra damage if it consumes her passive and deals 4x damage to minions, but doesn't do much damage itself so she keeps her waveclear, low cd ult, and use her ult often.

Half of my argument you ignored because there was nothing really you could have said. Lux is really, really strong (imo OP).

RikariFeb 14, 20162 votes

lol...did this guy honestly compare energy to mana? I'm done. Shen can spam his dash to get to lane because energy regens 7-9 times faster than mana.wow. Swain's passive gives him back mana and his ult can be toggled off. Kassadin's W gives him back mana and his entire kit is mased off how much mana you can stack. Kogs ulti starts off at 50 mana. If you spam to cross 150 mana,give it a rest. Good job bringing up Kog'maw in balance though,his single target 5 attacks per second at 710 range is a great champion to bring up when stating that the champion with 4 skillshots is broken and overpowered.

Your entire reason for her E being easy to land was "It's easy to land" while I've actually compared similar spells with said spell speeds.Do you dodge any of the spells i brought up? Lots of them are faster than Lux's. You want her Ee to do more damage when charged? Thats a buff you idiot. Gragas' Q has the EXACT scalin as Lux's E. Have you even seen AP Gragas before? Obviously,you haven't. Her spells are easy to land,easy to dodge. Why do you keep bringing up her W? Why the hell would her shield miss? I can also honestly give an unbiased statement that if Lux hits you at max range or behind a minion,you deserve it. More range,more time to react. You want a mage who doesn't rely on one spell... Ahri Annie Anivia Cassiopeia Diana Fizz TwistedFate Veigar Syndra Morgana Chogath I also rarely ever rely on my Q to land another spell.

If you noticed,almost all the champs I've mentioned have hard cc on one spell.If you don't want to buy zhonyas to survive Ap mages,then glhf. Fizz Ryze Syndra Velkoz gonna have fun with you. That would also mean you don't spend 1250 for Zed Nasus Ashe Shen Skarner This is another thing that shows you're clueless. Lux players only ever use their passive on minions. In a 1v1 its unsafe. You want her own shield to miss her? thats suicidal.

I've ignored your argument because its monotonous,aimless,self contradictory,invalid and borderline insane. You say things like landing a spell of 1175 range at 1200 speed then go bringing up auto attacking within 550 range. Shes also been untouched since season 1 and your only statements are opinions,while you ignore my facts. Shes not OP,shes just popular and beating you. Learn the minuscule difference. I bet you were the guy bitching about Ahri and Viktor a few months ago. Satisfied with their nerfs? Seems like you are the one left salty since you completely ignored all the facts about the spells I've mentioned and are left nonetheless wiser to state why Lux's E is "easy to land" for some easily foreseeable reason.

ArakadiaFeb 15, 20161 votes

lol...did this guy honestly compare energy to mana? I'm done. Shen can spam his dash to get to lane because energy regens 7-9 times faster than mana.wow. Swain's passive gives him back mana and his ult can be toggled off. Kassadin's W gives him back mana and his entire kit is mased off how much mana you can stack.

Shen regenerates 10 energy per second. That means it takes 40 seeconds to completely regenerate all his energy. Its not like he has to conserver energy! Does lux have a spell that consumes nearly half her resource pool and takes 18 seconds to regenerate what it cost? Shen's dash can only be used twice or maybe thrice (at most) before you'll get to lane. Swain's passive gives him 10-27 mana when he kills something. Lets not forget that he has a bad AA animation, horribly low AD, damage over time spells, one AoE spell which is his only escape and deals low damage with a long delay, and mana problems. CS'ing with Swain is not like CS'ing as Cass or TF. He doesn't even get much mana back. Kasss's W gives him mana back but its melee and not alot. His ult nonetheless costs leaps and bounds more then Lux's spells. Kogmaw has a much smaller mana pool then Lux, yet he still has more mana hunger on his ult. Kass's kit isn't based off how much mana you can stack, thats ryze. You just get mana items on him because hes so mana hungry.

Kogmaw isn't really broken. He is pure dps and his single basic attacks won't do alot of damage if you go for 5 basic attacks per second because your building AS not physical damage. Hes immobile, one CC spell that only slows, deals low-ish dmg, and has a long cd. He doesn't have a sheild, snare, all around game strength, snowbally nature, nor is he very safe. Kogmaw is late game and any good assasin, bruiser, or even tank can CC lock him for his team or jump him. Lux can snare, slow, and burst that enemy while sheilding herself. And if you build zonyas, her ult (without ANY CDR and only 1 rank in ult) will have a lower cd than zonyas.

Your entire reason for her E being easy to land was "It's easy to land" while I've actually compared similar spells with said spell speeds.Do you dodge any of the spells i brought up? Lots of them are faster than Lux's. You want her Ee to do more damage when charged? Thats a buff you idiot. Gragas' Q has the EXACT scalin as Lux's E. Have you even seen AP Gragas before? Obviously,you haven't. Her spells are easy to land,easy to dodge. Why do you keep bringing up her W? Why the hell would her shield miss? I can also honestly give an unbiased statement that if Lux hits you at max range or behind a minion,you deserve it. More range,more time to react.

No... I said her E was easy to land because of its range, instant activation, AoE, slow, and speed... It honestly feels like you didn't even read my reply and your just making excuses. Zigg's Q for example has lower range, bounces, is slower, only 65 base damage with 65% scaling. Its actually weaker and requires aiming. I want herr E to do more damage when charged. Your idiotic to think I meant it be a buff. It would be weaker at the start, maybe 50% current damage, and gain 10% damage every second or so till it reached 100% of the current damage and scaling. I can't imagine you seriously thought I was saying it was a buff...

You want a mage who doesn't rely on one spell... I also rarely ever rely on my Q to land another spell.

I never said Lux relied on one spell. The champions you listed have an ability that starts their combo such as Cho'Gath's Q or Morgana's Q or TF's W. But TF can go Q first or Cho'Gath's W first. My point was that if Lux lands one Q, she can land her whole combo. Similar to blitzcrank, if you land one skillshot your gonna get slammed with tons of damage very fast while your CC'd.

This is another thing that shows you're clueless. Lux players only ever use their passive on minions. In a 1v1 its unsafe. You want her own shield to miss her? thats suicidal.

Lux players only ever use their passive on minions? So they use their E on farm I'm guessing? I don't play Lux yet can tell thats unlogical as their ult consumes their passive and thus they use their passive. A good Lux can E, AA and get a free thunderlords. I can see how its not safe in 1v1, but you still do it when you see the window.

Are you trolling!?!?? I mean seriously I never said I wanted her sheild to miss her! I said its not a skilshot she has to land because it automaticlly hits her. So she really only has 2 skillshots which aren't the hardest skillshots to land, just more skillshots to land. Again, it doesn't look like you read my reply. Her sheild shouldn't miss, and I never said it should.

I've ignored your argument because its monotonous,aimless,self contradictory,invalid and borderline insane. You say things like landing a spell of 1175 range at 1200 speed then go bringing up auto attacking within 550 range. Shes also been untouched since season 1 and your only statements are opinions,while you ignore my facts. Shes not OP,shes just popular and beating you. Learn the minuscule difference. I bet you were the guy bitching about Ahri and Viktor a few months ago. Satisfied with their nerfs? Seems like you are the one left salty since you completely ignored all the facts about the spells I've mentioned and are left nonetheless wiser to state why Lux's E is "easy to land" for some easily foreseeable reason.

You just listed abunch of swift moving spells, did you want me to reply to every spell you mentioned? Lux's E *IS easy to land. Its a large AoE slow, instant activate, great damage and scaling, and fast moving. It instantly activates and is so large only a dash or bad lux will let you dodge it pretty much. Thats why it is easy to land.

I've ignored your argument because its monotonous,aimless,self contradictory,invalid and borderline insane

I like all the "self contradictory" arguments I said that you didn't point out :P And how you can say my argument is insane. That doesn't make sense, this is just a arguement about a game! How can it be "insane"? I don't see how its aimless as im aiming to prove my point. And STOP being so arrogant please!

RikariFeb 15, 20161 votes

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Shen regenerates 10 energy per second. That means it takes 40 seeconds to completely regenerate all his energy. Its not like he has to conserver energy! Does lux have a spell that consumes nearly half her resource pool and takes 18 seconds to regenerate what it cost?

Your logic...your math...you clearly play a lot of Shen. Thats one for my team. shen has 400 max energy. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Energy_regeneration#Basics http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/shen/ 20 seconds and hes good as new. If memory serves you brought up shen's dash because it costs a lot of energy. It costs 180 energy. therefore it takes 18 seconds for it to be unnoticed. I honestly would not mind if Lux's E took 45% of her mana if in 18 seconds its all back,because i wait a lot longer to use it again. Please tell me mana is better than energy. you brought shen into this.

Shen's dash can only be used twice or maybe thrice (at most) before you'll get to lane. Swain's passive gives him 10-27 mana when he kills something. Lets not forget that he has a bad AA animation, horribly low AD, damage over time spells, one AoE spell which is his only escape and deals low damage with a long delay, and mana problems. CS'ing with Swain is not like CS'ing as Cass or TF. He doesn't even get much mana back. Kasss's W gives him mana back but its melee and not alot. His ult nonetheless costs leaps and bounds more then Lux's spells. Kogmaw has a much smaller mana pool then Lux, yet he still has more mana hunger on his ult. Kass's kit isn't based off how much mana you can stack, thats ryze. You just get mana items on him because hes so mana hungry.

KASSADIN IS A FOCKING MELEE ASSASSIN!! HIS W GIVES HIM BACK 8% OF HIS MISSING MANA!! 32% MISSING MANA RESTORED BY AA ON A CHAMPION!! HIS F*CKING ULT DAMAGE SCALES WITH MAX MANA!! KOG IS A FOCKING ADC HE CAN AUTOATTACK WHEN HE IS OUT OF MANA!!!

Do these, or do these not mean that they get back mana? simple question. Mana refunded,yes.or.no.

No... I said her E was easy to land because of its range, instant activation, AoE, slow, and speed... It honestly feels like you didn't even read my reply and your just making excuses. Zigg's Q for example has lower range, bounces, is slower, only 65 base damage with 65% scaling. Its actually weaker and requires aiming. I want herr E to do more damage when charged. Your idiotic to think I meant it be a buff. It would be weaker at the start, maybe 50% current damage, and gain 10% damage every second or so till it reached 100% of the current damage and scaling. I can't imagine you seriously thought I was saying it was a buff...

1.Zigg's Q is NOT SLOWER. 1400 SPEED to Lux's 1200 SPEED. 2.Zigg's Q is CHEAPER. 70 MANA TO Lux's 130 MANA. 3.Zigg's Q DOES MORE DAMAGE. 255 BASE (+ 65% AP) TO Lux's 240 BASE (+ 60% AP) http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ziggs http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Gragas http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lux

Compare Gragas' Q and Lux's E. SAME SCALING. Gragas' Q does 150% damage when charged,what good is that besides farming? You want it to reach its current "high" damage by charging it? so you are the kind of guy who wants a spell idiotically nonviable because you can't handle it?

I never said Lux relied on one spell.

uh huh.

I want a mage who doesn't have to land one Q and then gets a free combo and your life.

Self.Contra. Dick. Tory.

Lux players only ever use their passive on minions? So they use their E on farm I'm guessing? I don't play Lux yet can tell thats unlogical as their ult consumes their passive and thus they use their passive. A good Lux can E, AA and get a free thunderlords. I can see how its not safe in 1v1, but you still do it when you see the window.

1:Illogical. 2:Self contradictory. Bitching about safety at high range,then clearly stating that Lux gets in mid range of 550 for auto attacks. 3: One of us has actually played,as,with or against Lux. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Rikari 4:E-AA----? 5:http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Thunderlord's_Decree_%28Season_2016_Mastery%29 you forgot a spell for the third spell. baseless.

Are you trolling!?!?? I mean seriously I never said I wanted her sheild to miss her! I said its not a skilshot she has to land because it automaticlly hits her. So she really only has 2 skillshots which aren't the hardest skillshots to land, just more skillshots to land. Again, it doesn't look like you read my reply. Her sheild shouldn't miss, and I never said it should.

This statement is completely idiotic. why would an AoE shield miss the user. there was even a patch where riot made it so that if hits lux faster.

{quoted} I'm going to bring up Lux's barrier because its an AoE projectile that begins from her starting position so it automatically hits her. AoE defensive spells should not start from the user as it guarantees their protection.

You just listed abunch of swift moving spells, did you want me to reply to every spell you mentioned? Lux's E *IS easy to land. Its a large AoE slow, instant activate, great damage and scaling, and fast moving. It instantly activates and is so large only a dash or bad lux will let you dodge it pretty much. Thats why it is easy to land.

Maybe if you didn't have 240 ping you would reaise its easy to dodge. It is slow,your opinion is completely irrelevant. I listed spells to show that.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/lux In elos above dog shit lux is a joke. I've actually stopped playing lux that much because high silver/low gold players dodge her spells effortlessly.

I like all the "self contradictory" arguments I said that you didn't point out :P And how you can say my argument is insane. That doesn't make sense, this is just a arguement about a game! How can it be "insane"? I don't see how its aimless as im aiming to prove my point. And STOP being so arrogant please!

You aren't trying to prove a point.You are trying to win with baseless allegations. Your own opinions aren't even solid. How about you finish fourth grade,do some language courses,come back to league to realise Lux hasn't even been nerfed and there are champs that are better at her for what she does.

You say Lux's Q and E are fast.They have 1200 and 1300 fps. Don't believe me?

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lux

More range,less speed. Find a single skill shot with less than 1200 speed. You've accused me of not reading anything while you clearly don't. Your entire argument has already been proven aimless,insane,baseless,pointless and invalid. You're just a 7 year old ranting on the verge of tears,blissful in their ignorance.

Here,let me give you research tools.

Compare Lux's "OP scaling" to any other mage of your choice.take your pick. It's really sad how you are rattling off insane nerfs to a champ you admit never playing and clearly never seen.

It truly is mind boggling and mentally debilitating that you resume this "argument" with your own opinions,dismissing any evidence i bring up. Show me two links that agree with ANYTHING you stated. I dare you. I'm begging you. Compare her spells.Her scaling. Her banrate.Winrate. That alone proves you are dead wrong.

I have an engineering diploma to finish,so please don't bother leaving a reply. at least not before 3-9 years have passed so that you catch up to the maturity requirement. I'm not letting anymore children waste my time in arguments this month. You clearly have a lot to learn in elementary school. Riot may also finally decide to reinforce their 13 year minimum requirement.

Knight DevoutFeb 15, 20161 votes

With a full build you can pretty much open a new butthole to every champ in the game. If the lux has 6 items, and Zed has 4, that's still a guaranteed kill or Zhonya/Flash. And a mejai? I mean, as a support i'm supposed to blow up from a zed shuriken, but you want to fully feed a mejai to lux and still live? Wtf?

ArakadiaFeb 15, 20161 votes

The thing is lux does this all game it seems. Especially late game where everyone has 6 items she can still stomp. Nasus, kogmaw, swain, etc. Immobility? Yeah lux crushes you. Keep in mind most champions are immobile.

Knight DevoutFeb 15, 20161 votes

Swain core items include resistances, such as Abyssal Scepter. On the other hand, you can jump in three on a full build swain and you will still lose half health in the time it takes for Zhonya to expire.

ArakadiaFeb 15, 20161 votes

Swain has to land his long-delayed W and even then running away is easy. If he zonyas, you just back off. You don't wait for it to expire. Abyssal Scepter is not a core on Swain, although very good on him. RoA and Zonyas are his core pretty much. Liandry's, Rylais, Visage, and Abyssal are pretty good on him too.

notmebuthimFeb 14, 20162 votes

That feel when you summoner 4 summoner 6 item 3092 and Udyr still runs you down easy.

charcharmunroFeb 14, 20162 votes

I've legitimately seen a Lux use her ult just to farm.

Knight DevoutFeb 15, 20162 votes

Ezreal

Rew711Feb 14, 20163 votes

I feel bad for maining Udyr back in the end of Season 3. I didn't know he was so OP. He was my first champion I enjoyed, and I hated that he had to go into the jungle... which is why I left him to go into the support role. And I mained Taric, who was said to be the weakest in that time (by pretty much everyone). I hope my next favorite champion doesn't get to be OP. Wait, what am I thinking? No ones going to play Yorick.

The DeckownerFeb 13, 201618 votes

As a xin zhao main since season 5 i really dislike this xin buff, also as a jax player i dislike the guinsoo's rageblade as an item, it completely changed the mechanic of the game from a versatile buildpath to "idc what I am facing just build Rageblade its broken if i dont build it and enemy builds it i am fucked".

Also sick of all the guys just picking up the champions who are broken atm and call themselves X mains, while making the ones who actually main these champion being called "freelo noskill" by the others who suffered from the overpower champions.

Hello I am BirdFeb 13, 20166 votes

How I feel as a Quinn main ;-;

kaltenashesFeb 13, 20165 votes

as a Quinn And Valor main i disliked repetoir's Quinndred No Valor rework

hopefully she'll get a re-rework together with mordekaiser

Hello I am BirdFeb 14, 20165 votes

I, personally, loved the rework, and feels like she works with Valor much more than she did before.

As it stood, before the rework, Valor and Quinn felt pretty disconnected from each other, as her ult was basically "I transform into a bird now while my human form dissapears out of nowhere".

Now, I feel, it is more like "I'm using my bird to help me defeat my opponents, and we are working together".

This is more exaggerated by the fact that more of her abilities have something to do with her mark.

I think this has been the best spot Quinn has ever been in, even with the removal of her old Teemo blind in place of a Graves blind, it means that your blind affects casters besides Orianna

kaltenashesFeb 14, 20163 votes

she was 2 champs in 1, so it made sense, even lore-wise, she disappearing and we could have the fun of playing a bird (i really hoped her rework would keep valor as a playable champ and he'd have different skills being something like jayce,nidalee,elise, that would be awesome.... not this flying taxi) but RR loved to turn her into quinndred ...sigh, wish i could have refunds for skins and the champ

not gonna write again why i hate repetoir's rework (if you want to see i wrote it 2 or 3 times talking to different people) i can see why some people like her now, but me as an old main. i played around 20 games with the rework and now i'm staying away from it, its a new champ and i dont like it

that blind sucks, she depends so heavy on hitting it, that her kit sucks now, sure it raises her skill cap, but not even lux depends so heavy on one skill (if she misses her q-root she can still do her combo, the target will be slowed, a bit harder to hit her ult, but she can do it), if quinndred hits her q she'll go in for a trade, if she misses she'll have to play safer (and maybe retreat)

still champs update team claimed they would never change what we love, but it quickly became: new players like the changes, we dont really care bout old mains Mordekaiser KogMaw Skarner Quinn (extra: find the pattern 3 out of 4 were RR designs)

Hello I am BirdFeb 14, 20162 votes

Tbh, I would have been content with bugfixes and leaving it at that, but in the end, I got something I didn't even know I wanted.

I'm glad that, despite not seeing eye to eye, you kept things civil. So thanks, and Happy Valentines Day c:

WadeWilson1337Feb 14, 20163 votes

New Quinn is 10000000x better than old Quinn. I mean, you actually see a Quinn now, most people thought they were extinct before the rework.

kaltenashesFeb 14, 20165 votes

i was quinn main, sorry you never saw me =/, now i dont play her anymore, she is completely extinct from my recent matches (wish i could get refund for the skins i bought, and for the champ)

hopefully balance team will nerf her to ground, and people stop playing her and she can get an actual good rework,

GhastlyGhoulManFeb 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hello I am Bird,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=enZHEE0K,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-02-13T21:18:09.057+0000)

How I feel as a main ;-;

lol. Honestly, the new assassin item has turned her into a monster. Getting all three assassin items (Maw, Youmuu's, Darkblade) and Shiv makes her blow up even the strongest Zed. It's stupid op.

Hello I am BirdFeb 14, 20161 votes

If you don't build Quinn a bruiser, you are doing something wrong.

GhastlyGhoulManFeb 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hello I am Bird,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=enZHEE0K,comment-id=0003000000020000,timestamp=2016-02-14T18:22:46.201+0000)

If you don't build Quinn a bruiser, you are doing something wrong.

I dunno, I've had ridiculous success so far with my assassin burst build. My last match with that build went 16/1/5. It's working for me. :)

Hello I am BirdFeb 14, 20161 votes

Lol yeah I know, it's just fun to make fun of people for not building the same thing that you do :p

GhastlyGhoulManFeb 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hello I am Bird,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=enZHEE0K,comment-id=000300000002000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-14T19:13:56.073+0000)

Lol yeah I know, it's just fun to make fun of people for not building the same thing that you do :p

Haha ;P