We need a new balance team

It still doesn't help. OP didn't even list any offenders, just generally that the balance team did something wrong.

Oh no, they do. They provide context and insight. And then people ignore it because they hold their own biases.

I especially love the Xin QQ. "OMG HE IS IN EVERY NORMAL GAME AND HE'S BROKEN OMG". Then you realize Xin's winrate in diamond and beyond is -still- low at around 48%. Platinum? 51%. Gold? 53%. Silver and below? 55%. Hm. It's almost as if players who know fuckall about what to do struggle when it comes to a champion.

There comes a point where the QQ gets ridiculous. Zed, even with his new item, still hovers just above a 50% win rate. Fizz, who routinely gets QQ, sits at 48%. Instead of saying to themselves "Hm, I should learn to deal with this character", people rush to the forums and scream "UGH OMG I HATE THIS META AND PATCH RIOT IS KILLING THE GAME."

It's about time Riot stopped holding hands. Rage, crying and threats to quit the game or not? Most of the problem lies with the players. NOT with how balance is going.

I don't.

Seriously?

Like seriously.

It doesn't work to you because they don't do what some guy on a forum told them would be a good idea? The community hasn't got the first clue about balance!

Their honest response would be:

Well you're wrong, completely wrong, I don't even know where to start. I mean ... you do realize why that's a necessary feature, right?

"The thing is people try that, doesn't ever work though."

People make post about how they know the balance of the game better than riot and speak on behalf of the entire player base as to why the game should be balanced the way they want.

An example, "The cinderhulk meta was the healthiest for the game and had the most variety and strategic diversity."

I can't tell you how many times I've seen some variance of that statement. I can tell you how many times I've seen proof of it 0. People just make up claims about how balance should work and how the game should be played without any evidence. And if Riot doesn't agree with you, "oh their not qualified to do their job, they only care about LCSBIGPLAY$ herp derp."

People complain about a champion not getting nerfed immediately, then turn right around and complain when a champion is nerfed quickly. Lux vs Brand is an example of this. People say they want more attention to less popular champions until riot does that, now people are complaining about Kog and Xin.

That's the problem with these boards, every one is a fucking expert on something because they say they are.

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The thing is people try that, doesn't ever work though.

Riot's usual response to anything even remotely constructive and respectful: "Well we feel like champion X isn't meeting our expectations, so we're going through with these changes no matter what anyone says. consequences be damned."

You ever watch the summoners show case, Its always like "Yeah i see your point and it makes total sense, But we did this and we are gonna stick with it a while and hopefully you see things our way" Dude Watching that shit gives me aids

the only somewhat broken champion out of all of those is quinn. How in the fuck is Ryze even remotely strong now. Idk how Trundle even got in that list or Soraka, they both have clear strengths and weaknesses. Alistar is by far worse than soraka, but he got nerfed this patch so there goes that champ. I dislike Poppy heavily, but I don't think she's broken like Kog or Udyr. Malph is only good because he's so easy to play and Gangplank is just being nerfed and nerfed every patch so he wont last long.

No, that is simply wrong. The reason why people don't know the balance team is because they do not care enough to look the redposts up. They have been telling us about gameplay values several times (type design values or anything), have been communicating while doing all these reworks, have started talking about the mage rework that is about to come this year in the last year, have been talking and discussing about problematic releases (yes, certainlyt DID talk about Mordekaiser) etc etc etc. Practically every relevant change has been communicated to us players. Is it hard to keep track of those posts? NO, it's not. There is the "Red Tracker" on the boards and surrenderat20.net sums the most important Rito posts up. People are friggin lazy and unless they force you to read everything when logging in people will keep on complaining about Riot.

That being said Riot of course does occasionally screw up. Usually they admit to it (Mordekaiser, the wolf ghost thingy), sometimes they don't (Kha'6 afaik). But all in all it's not that bad. If you can't name any member of the current balance team then you probably don't care about it.