Are they nerfing tank fizz?

Marshbouy·Jun 21, 2016·2 votes·1,127 views

I beat one out in CS. Kills. Everything. but he grabbed an abyssal and a bami's then raped me in a 1v1. He has all the damage at early levels with all the tank

16 Comments

Brutalitops01Jun 21, 20162 votes

They nerfed tank Fizz a little bit already, but he's definitely gonna be nerfed more because that just wasn't enough. Fizz is still broken and pick or ban status.

MarshbouyJun 21, 20162 votes

Definitely felt that.

Knight SkyJun 21, 20161 votes

I hate to say they already nerfed tank fizz last patch witch was a few days ago lol

MarshbouyJun 21, 20162 votes

It was not enough. I read patch notes and the 2% damage and 2 second CD reduction was not enough. Probably damage off the ult with AP scaling compensation.

Knight SkyJun 21, 20162 votes

Well riot thought it was lol, they also increased his hitbox radius which helps. To be honest fizz in pretty balanced at the moment. Besides Abysal and bamis isnt tank lol thats pretty common.

MarshbouyJun 21, 20163 votes

*ap fizz is balanced. tank fizz is not

67chromeJun 21, 20162 votes

Probably damage off the ult with AP scaling compensation.

Why his ult?

That's the only skill in his kit that isn't complete BS. It has decent counterplay and encourages him to team-fight, while rewarding skill and timing. If nothing else, Fizz's kit power should be set up like Katarina's where he must land his ult, because his QWE+Zhonya's+QWE combo is what makes him 2 Teemo's of annoying.

Also: problem skill for Tank Fizz is W. Manaless mixed damage, giving his AA's a solid kick with free %healing reduction, along with %HP damages, is tons of free damage within a tanky build. It's also not something assassin Fizz can put to much use: seeing as assassins predominantly survive long enough to do their job by being speedy and dodging stuff: which telegraphing your movements to AA someone as a melee champion is very far removed from.

excodarJun 21, 20161 votes

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Why his ult?

That's the only skill in his kit that isn't complete BS. It has decent counterplay and encourages him to team-fight, while rewarding skill and timing. If nothing else, Fizz's kit power should be set up like Katarina's where he must land his ult, because his QWE+Zhonya's+QWE combo is what makes him 2 Teemo's of annoying.

Also: problem skill for Tank Fizz is W. Manaless mixed damage, giving his AA's a solid kick with free %healing reduction, along with %HP damages, is tons of free damage within a tanky build. It's also not something assassin Fizz can put to much use: seeing as assassins predominantly survive long enough to do their job by being speedy and dodging stuff: which telegraphing your movements to AA someone as a melee champion is very far removed from.

... his %healing was removed so fucking long ago its not even funny. Also OP, if you think taking off 2% of his W and increasing his E cd by 2 seconds is not enough, you are actually dumb. His jungle winrate is like 45%, his top winrate is like 48% and his mid winrate is like 46%. So because he could duel you he needs nerfs? Does nasus need nerfs as well if he can 1v1 you 15 minutes into the game?

MarshbouyJun 21, 20161 votes

Have you faced a fizz top? Have you? No. You main ADC. Facing a tank fizz who builds nothing but items against you while still getting full effectiveness of them (no bad tradeoffs other than less damage than building straight AP) is incredibly annoying. The fact that he is viable jungle and top should also be an issue. The fact that his assassin mid build has a lower win rate than the tank builds is a HUGE issues. This is an assassin building tank. That should not happen. He needs more changes to make it so he does not have a tank build.

MarshbouyJun 21, 20161 votes

I was just throwing numbers around. Nothing super serious

ApexInTheCircleJun 21, 20161 votes

i say completely remove the flat % damage on his W and make it scaling % damage so he has to make a choice. Right now he is pure cancer as a tank because of the ability to dive your back line ASSASSINATE YOUR CARRY AS A TANK and get out. If Leona was diving back lines and assassinating them you bet your left tit that riot would nerf her in the very next patch.

So why? Why its allowed to be done on assassins is fucking baffling. I get it fun builds and off builds can be awesome and fun (ad soraka or annnie) but a tank assassin is just downright dirty and unfun to play against.

MarshbouyJun 21, 20161 votes

I dont like my tits (im a slightly overweight dude i'd really like them off) Id bet that. The funniest part is his midlane build is lower winrate than his tank build. :/

ApexInTheCircleJun 21, 20162 votes

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I dont like my tits (im a slightly overweight dude i'd really like them off) Id bet that. The funniest part is his midlane build is lower winrate than his tank build. :/

I see that as a failure in design, you know, when the champ you've created does better in another role than the one it's intended for.

MarshbouyJun 21, 20161 votes

"If you remember AP yi please call our help foundation..."

Brutalitops01Jun 22, 20161 votes

Notice that every assassin that's had an op tank build has gotten nerfed. Fizz just hasn't gotten nerfed enough yet. Why? Look at champions like Yorick, Urgot, old Sion, old Poppy, Galio, etc. What do all these have in common? They had something on them that made them extremely broken, so they got nerfed into the ground so that they could just subtly fade until Riot could give them a full rework. Riot is slowly nerfing these guys to try to avoid a repeat of that, because also notice that they're giving small buffs to some of the older broken stomp champions who've been underpowered and nonexistent for a very long time. Why are they doing this? To try to bring them up so they can attempt compete with other champions at least for normals! They're slowly nerfing tank Fizz out, as they did with tank Akali, tank Ekko, and tank Master Yi, to try to avoid overnerfing these champions to the point where they're unplayable. Riot doesn't want to do full reworks on champions just because one build is broken on them. I feel like they should actually stop nerfing the champions and instead hit the items they're building for these different broken builds hard. Tank items right now are very gold efficient, very cheap, and provide a lot of survivability without sacrificing enough damage. I personally feel like a complete removal of % missing health damage from his W DOT, but leaving the AP scaling where it is, would bring tank Fizz in line by a lot. Also, know that Riot is planning on doing an assassin rework at the end of the year. Fizz, Akali, Evelynn, Yi, and Katarina are my 5 guesses for bigger reworks, and Ekko and Zed minimum for smaller ones. Probably, every assassin in the game is going to get at least some change, and as the assassin class is the second smallest class in the game, right behind supports (with primary as "support"), this is fairly likely. If you really question the state of Fizz's balance, just check out this video by Jeremy Gaming Curios. He reasons and explains a lot of things wrong with Fizz's kit, but also that some of the things the community is most infuriated with isn't that bad, at least on paper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2LR3T6MgbI