He's better than every other assassin in my eyes, can duel just about everyone, who wasn't specifically a created to be a duelist (Jax, Warwick, Fiora) etc. and escape everyone who he CAN'T duel. Other assassins can't do that, besides mabye Fizz, but everyone already knows how dumb Fizz is.
Epilogue of Life10 votesLol Fizz still exists, and you're complaining about Zed...
LankPants6 votesPersonally I don't see the difference between Fizz killing me and bullshiting away and Zed killing me and bullshiting away, they're both super hard to avoid and there's zero chance of catching them if they have half a brain.
Mecha MaIphite3 votesA dumb zed can't do that because he'd miss all his abilities and teleport to the wrong shadow.
A dumb fizz can, because fizz is stupid strong for how easy he is.
LankPants3 votesA dumb Fizz will miss shark, Q at the wrong time and miss use E, There's a reason why you don't use a retard as a base line.
Nubeel3 votesWell with Zed you can buy a QSS and get rid of his pesky ult and he doesn't have a troll pole to make himself untargetable so you can CC him.
QSS'ing Fizz's ult just stops the fish sticking to you but it can still damage you if you stand on it. This means that in a chaotic teamfight you can quickly cleanse Zed's ult and be done with it but you probably won't have the time to cleanse Fizz's ult and then move away from it. There's also the matter of your team getting hit by the shark even if you manage to avoid it.
LankPants3 voteshe doesn't have a troll pole to make himself untargetable so you can CC him.
Except his ultimate?
Well with Zed you can buy a QSS and get rid of his pesky ult
You can do the same thing to fizz's ult, except fizz does magic damage, so it's actually a viable buy VS him.
Junkο2 votesYou can also buy Zhonya and get armor against Zed while also getting a whopping 120 AP and a way to never be killed by Zed again.
LankPants2 votesWhat if I'm an AD?
AerialBlade3 votesscimitar.
LankPants3 votesBecause zed deals magic damage.
Junkο2 votesHis passive deals 10% your health magic damage, Botrk deals magic damage too.
LankPants2 votesBotrk deals magic damage too.
No
Junkο2 votesNevermind it used too when it was first released.
Still 10% out of max health in magic damage is a lot.
Epilogue of Life1 votesCleanse Zed's Death Mark, free win.
LankPants1 votesSorry I forgot his ult was his only way of dealing damage.
I guess the rest of his abilities won't kill me at all.
Epilogue of Life1 votesExcept his ultimate?
You can do the same thing to fizz's ult, except fizz does magic damage, so it's actually a viable buy VS him.
Ya except fizz's trollpole is not targeted, so he can jump AWAY from you as he becomes untargetable, while Zed has to use stuff to get out after he dodges stuff. And of course, the difference in CD....
Llanite1 votesHow's about some brains and zhonya before the shark hit? L2P issue to me.
Llanite1 votesThe difference is, Fizz can't do crap if one keeps distance (Xerath/Cass/Lux/Anvia/Victor). Zed laughs at it and kill you anyway.
majulito7 votesZed has two gap closers one on his ult that cant be dodged but allows him to become untargetable and his shadow that can be used freely to engage or disengage. Both mimic his abilities which are aoe, giving him wave clear, range, extra damage and utility. The ult doubles as an escape and for some reason the damage is calculated with pre-mitigation values (wiki teaches you things). He gets ad for building ad and a percent max health damage passive to targets below 50%. Hes an energy user so he can stay in lane as long as his health is good. But since he scales off of ad he can get lifesteal and good aa damage. If he had any other cc besides a slow or if he got resets he would have the worst parts of every assassin in the game all on one kit.
LankPants2 votesfor some reason the damage is calculated with pre-mitigation values
That's because it deals physical damage, if it didn't use pre mitigation values it would get checked by their armour twice, Eg. if zeds q dealt 500 damage with 50% bonus from ult against a target with 50% mitigation using mitigated values the armour would reduce to 250, then the ult would reduce to 125, then the armour would again reduce to 63. By using pre mitigated the ult reduces it to 250 then the armour reduces it to 125.
I do think it could be an interesting nerf that made it far more difficult to duel tanks and bruisers if it used mitigated values though, as it would make his ult super weak VS armour stackers.
Junkο1 votesFar more difficult or did you mean impossible?
Not to mention that Zhonya would completely shut him down even when it was on CD that way.
LankPants3 votesWhy do you think an assassin should be able to duel a tank or bruiser?
And why do you think 5 people should buy zonyas just to fuck with zed? I did get zonyas on Ashe a few times to fuck with him tough, it was funny, but the fact that that's the most efficient item I could have bought to survive against Zed makes me question the fuck out of his design.
Junkο2 votesI said WOULD IF THAT CHANGE HAPPENED, not that YOU HAVE TO BUY IT NOW CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ITEM THAT COUNTERS HIM. Other items like GA or Mercuiral exist. Seriously people learn to read.
Besides there are a ton of assassins that can duel bruisers already. Fizz, Kha, Yi, Rengar, Shaco...
LankPants2 votesFizz, Kha, Yi, Rengar, Shaco...
Yes but just as bad as Zed, only if isolated, not an assassin, only if fed, no
Narzeim1 votesWhy do you think an assassin should not be able to kill someone? If a Zed is strolling up to your Ashe and death mark her with no team help you're wrong and deserve do die. Or stun arrow, exhaust, qss. You sound like an idiot.
anding1 votesWhy do you think an assassin should not be able to kill someone? If a Zed is strolling up to your Ashe and death mark her with no team help you're wrong and deserve do die. Or stun arrow, exhaust, qss. You sound like an idiot.
and there's GA for non-AP users. as well as armor and health, though botrk and armor pen (i go pure armor pen + botrk zed) negates that
LankPants1 votesWould people stop mentioning QQS as a counter to Zed, If you buy it he's just ult onto you and kill you with his basic abilities since you just bought a MR item to counter a physical assassin. I don't hold the exhaust as an ADC, it's cooldown is longer that your ult and if you get exhausted you just press R again and your safe.
You can't outplay a good Zed in a lot of cases, you can only bend over and hope he missplays.
Gunpoint3 votes[{quoted}](name=Rainbowe Dash,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAbOYnrW,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2014-12-29T15:47:56.827+0000)
Far more difficult or did you mean impossible?
Not to mention that Zhonya would completely shut him down even when it was on CD that way.
majulito1 votesAfter 3 seconds, Death Mark will trigger, dealing flat physical damage plus a percentage of all physical and magic damage dealt to the marked champion while it was active.
No where does it say that the bonus damage is off of pre-mitigation values. If he didn't do the full damage on a move he shouldn't get that full damage applied to his ult.
LankPants1 votesMagic and physical damage is calculated from all abilities, items and buffs. Damage is calculated with pre-mitigation values [2]. True damage, such as from Ignite.png Ignite, is not counted.
Taken directly from http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zed
Leblancs Boob3 votesHopefully soon
ImHerVoice3 votesremove fizz/lucian/jinx/thresh/nami/zed/braum there game is ok again.
Rikari3 voteswell people rarely go 1v1 in the lcs,especially mid laners so i doubt it.
Lelefski2 votesHe doesn't need a nerf. You can deny a lot of his late game damage by buying QSS which is super cheap and he has a high skill ceiling so it's not as if he's braindead.
OmniMoto2 votesI just tried it in a game, qss did not get rid of his ult, neither did sivir's spell shield nor my Gangplanks Oranges There is very little counterplay to his ult, other than zhonyas and cleanse (I think cleanse, not sure)
Narasimha2 votesQSS does, Cleanse does not. I have no idea how you got that backwards.
Lelefski1 votesYou need to wait for the red dot to appear on your character before you press QSS. It 100% works, you are just testing it incorrectly.
GP Orange removes disables, not debuffs. Cleanse doesn't remove Zed Ult either.
Gunpoint2 votes[{quoted}](name=Peter Park,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAbOYnrW,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2014-12-29T03:12:48.731+0000)
He doesn't need a nerf. You can deny a lot of his late game damage by buying QSS which is super cheap and he has a high skill ceiling so it's not as if he's braindead.
Yes buy QSS against an AD champion... How ingenius.
Lelefski1 votesYes buy QSS against an AD champion... How ingenius.
-Bronze 2 -Disagrees with buying QSS vs Zed
Kuroi862 votesZed was once looked at as the only "Balanced" Assassin in league.
Then many of the other assassins got nerfed...
Narzeim2 votesZed has a stupid amount of counter play. Ever hear of Zhonya's or Exhaust? Renders his ult near useless and after death mark is down he is reduced to low damage shurikens and being a squishy as hell aa-er.
BallisticMouse1 votesI wish Fizz/Zed would get nerfed soon.
But tbh Riot never seems to nerf very popular/loved champions because they shit themselves when the backlash happens.
An example being when they removed Lee Sins W's ability to jump to wards, it was added back in the next patch.
Sachabot3 votesIt also gave him zero mobility so he just died a bunch. It was sad (and hilarious). They're gonna try nerfing/changing something else when they get around to it.
