And yes I built Randuins. Wtf is wrong with this stupid champion. Even if I jumped her from a bush she'd just escape, and then continue to kite me. Kiting is already annoying as hell, Kalista makes it 1000x worse. At one point she actually kited my whole team at once, and killed our Janna. The only way I can seriously think of beating her is Lissandra putting big fat frozen tomb on her, even then she'd probably dash away.
SEKAI11 votesWhen you have a champ that even Yi ulti + ghostblade and still can't even get in range to cast alpha strike before expiring unless you attack from fog (ie. brushes) where she can't see you coming, you know you did something wrong.
Jefftiffy18 votesWhen you have a champ that even Yi ulti + ghostblade and still can't even get in range to cast alpha strike before expiring unless you attack from fog (ie. brushes) where she can't see you coming, you know you did something wrong.
That is a huge hyperbole. He has anti slow as Udyr doesn't and Udyr is known for having a lot better sticking potential than Yi in a drawn out fight while being a lot tankier. Yi countering Kalista is a thing and always has been. The problem is when she counters people like Udyr who have 0 gap closers other than MS ones being kited because miss infinite slows and escapes.
SEKAI6 votesYi doesn't actually counter Kalista, which just like I said in my post, Kalista has too much gapcloser and disengage/kite.
If you run up to her as Yi, you'll die horribly. Attack from places she can't see then you MIGHT have a chance unless you're so fed she dies right after an alpha.
Udyr on the other hand, stands no chance against Kalista since he has to physically run up to her and he also lacks reliable burst unless ofc he is fed, otherwise he is a sustain damage champ which only makes matters worse.
The difference between Udyr and Kalista is that, while they both shine in extended fights and chases, Udyr has costs and drawbacks, Kalista has none (she also has burst).
Rinky Dinky3 votesNot if you are a good yi lol
Karlyr4 votesNot if you are a good yi lol
SHIFT + A. The only damage you will deal to kalista is your "alpha strike" and MAYBE 1 AA per "alpha strike"
Rinky Dinky2 votesIf you simply "Shift + A" people when playing an auto attack based champion, than it is no suprise that Kalista, and the other 50% of the champion pool would be giving you problems.
Karlyr3 votesIf you simply "Shift + A" people when playing an auto attack based champion, than it is no suprise that Kalista, and the other 50% of the champion pool would be giving you problems.
With kalista when someone is chasing you down you can simply SHIFT-CLICK (I'm seriously bored to tell the same thing over because people can't read SHIFT-CLICK instead of SHIFT-A)
Kalista AS A CHAMPION can be LITTERALLY IMMUNE to melee damage outside of teamfights. Seriously. Get 3 melee champions, with 2-3 stuns and a couple of slows. give kalista 1.4-1.5 AS and some lifesteal. See what happens.
paulolol4 votesLiterally?
Narasimha6 votesI did
She died
Hell, I didn't even need a stun or any teammates.
Ariel the Cruel2 votes
Tried.
Kali Dead.
Tried.
Kali dead.
Tried.
Kali almost dead.
Tried.
Kali Dead.
Tried.
Kali probably Dead.
The Oasis2 votesOh good. So to stop her I only need to play a champ who can 100-0 her before she has a chance to react? Good to know.
GaleWinUnleashed4 votesAssassins have always countered squishy DPS champs. Why wouldn't you expect this to be exactly the same in Kalista's case?
The Oasis1 votesI was being facetious.
FHMarshy4 votesTo be honest, being able to kite that well on Kalista is something i have still yet to see in plat, (im plat 2). I realyl don't know how someone you played could kite that well unless smurf
Junkο2 votesSpamming attack move is so hard. I really do not understand why nobody does this on Kalista
FHMarshy1 votes[deleted]
Junkο1 votesI went 5-5 in placements, from Silver 1 to Silver 5, then got to series on 11-7 score, then i lost both games because my team feed horribly and quit.
Oh and btw
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=fhmarshy
1952 MMR bitch please
Junkο1 votesI'm not boasting about my MMR. You asked why i was in Silver. With my MMR i obv shouldn't be in Silver, it's just that ranked system fails atm.
FHMarshy13 votesFast enough to out jump a udyr with ghost and bear stance activated? and to move at the right direction BETWEEN clicks?
Really if you are THAT good, why are you still in silver?
Udyr has base movement speed of 345 and any tier 2 boots will give you 45 movement speed. Ghost gives you 28% movement speed and bear stance at max level gives 35%.
(345 + 45) * 1.28*1.35 = 672.93 movement speed.
He travels further than Ashe's range in ONE FCKIING SECOND.
PLEASE SHOW ME THE KITE OF A SILVER AGAINST THAT, I WANT TO SEE
Karlyr4 votesFast enough to out jump a udyr with ghost and bear stance activated? and to move at the right direction BETWEEN clicks?
Really if you are THAT good, why are you still in silver?
Udyr has base movement speed of 345 and any tier 2 boots will give you 45 movement speed. Ghost gives you 28% movement speed and bear stance at max level gives 35%.
(345 + 45) * 1.28*1.35 = 672.93 movement speed.
He travels further than Ashe's range in ONE FCKIING SECOND.
PLEASE SHOW ME THE KITE OF A SILVER AGAINST THAT, I WANT TO SEE
Son, learn what "SHIFT + A" does. Come back when you tested it with Kalista. If you have enough AS you CAN outrun a Yi because of her passive. Kalista can outrun + kite at the same time (with SHIFT + A) any regular melees from 1.2 - 1.3 AS.
FHMarshy5 votesDid and know how much it takes to kite a fcking udyr on ghost with bear stance.
Get gud son
Karlyr5 votesDid and know how much it takes to kite a fcking udyr on ghost with bear stance.
Get gud son
Do you know what SHIFT + A does with Kalista ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVXHym46Qts
FHMarshy6 votesYes. Played/Played against many already jeez
Udyr with Bear max bear stance and ghost activated will get speed boost more than the ult of YI. Randiun slows attack speed which will slow the KALISTA SHIFT A OR NOT.
Learn the facts please
Karlyr2 votesYes. Played/Played against many already jeez
Udyr with Bear max bear stance and ghost activated will get speed boost more than the ult of YI. Randiun slows attack speed which will slow the KALISTA SHIFT A OR NOT.
Learn the facts please
You need to also learn the fact that the dash is not affected by slows (meaning she is close to being invulnerable to slows) and that the AS slow is easily countered with a bit more AS. Since the passive is unique, you can't pin her down with it.
I don't know if you can read properly... But I always said SHIFT CLICKING. SHIFT A isn't the same sir.
And since you love so much hating on silvers... I am diamond, my opinion is better than your platinum opinion.
Trolls out.
FHMarshy5 votesREALLY now lmfao ok so you would actually know how a silver could play?
Smurfing in silver i've seen COUNTLESS COUNTLESS COUNTLESS kalista having problem JUST JUMPING
Now you tell me you are diamond, props to you, im saying silvers can't do what diamonds do.
lmfao point proven
junglerboy164 votesYou do realize that there is a soft cap on move speed? You don't actually attain that level of speed (I'll even throw in Trinity force and it's rage passive, heck, even alacrity enchant and swifties for the benefit of the doubt). 345+60+20=425, with the cap, this gets reduced to 423 MS. Add in the 8% from trinity Force and you get 448.5 after the soft cap Throw in Bear stance and Ghost and you get all the way up to 578.5 MS, and then Rage passive gets added on after, bringing it up to 588.5 MS. That is with 35 extra flat MS from taking Swifties and alacrity over normal boots and any other enchantment, as well as Trinity force's 8% bonus MS and rage passive, and you still are nowhere near the amount that you thought you had. It is pretty freaking fast, but not outrun a Kalista fast. Kalista's dash scales with move speed (better boots = longer dash range), gets increased by 25% when dashing away from her target (like when kiting), and happens as frequently as she can attack. If she has 2.0 attack speed, that is 2 long dashes EVERY second when well played, which get increased when kiting away from an enemy. They need to leave the dash's scaling with boots and AS, but remove the extra range for kiting away, or nerf the base range to begin with.
Drakzul2 votesFast enough to out jump a udyr with ghost and bear stance activated? and to move at the right direction BETWEEN clicks?
Really if you are THAT good, why are you still in silver?
Udyr has base movement speed of 345 and any tier 2 boots will give you 45 movement speed. Ghost gives you 28% movement speed and bear stance at max level gives 35%.
(345 + 45) * 1.28*1.35 = 672.93 movement speed.
He travels further than Ashe's range in ONE FCKIING SECOND.
PLEASE SHOW ME THE KITE OF A SILVER AGAINST THAT, I WANT TO SEE
Move in the right direction? Spam attack click move button and never stop. Not sure why you need to move at all? You can constantly hop and attack with no downtime. I'm not sure what your playing against...
1999 01 171 votesFast enough to out jump a udyr with ghost and bear stance activated? and to move at the right direction BETWEEN clicks?
Really if you are THAT good, why are you still in silver?
Udyr has base movement speed of 345 and any tier 2 boots will give you 45 movement speed. Ghost gives you 28% movement speed and bear stance at max level gives 35%.
(345 + 45) * 1.28*1.35 = 672.93 movement speed.
He travels further than Ashe's range in ONE FCKIING SECOND.
PLEASE SHOW ME THE KITE OF A SILVER AGAINST THAT, I WANT TO SEE
that's not how move speed works. it has DR above 400 ms. I've been out kited by kalista while playing quinn in hawk form with a triforce.
Marinaras Trench2 votesThe point of Kalista is to counter Melees what.
64364373477574311 votesDo you know how many Melees are in LoL?
Marinaras Trench1 votesI understand that the melee vs. ranged thing is a problem. But plenty of champions counter whole groups of people. Assasins beat mages and marksman, which there are a lot of!
6436437347757434 votesI understand that the melee vs. ranged thing is a problem. But plenty of champions counter whole groups of people. Assasins beat mages and marksman, which there are a lot of!
The problem is Kalista can never be caught. Kalista is suppose to be a marksmen so why does she has hyper-mobility? No other marksmen in the game can completely stop melee champions from doing anything to them except Kalista.
Marinaras Trench2 votes
6436437347757435 votesVayne? You're kidding me. I don't remember Vayne having infinite dashes like Kalista. There's mobility and there's too much mobility. Kalista would fall under the 2nd category. No marksman should have infinite dashes.
Tentacle Love1 votesVayne? You're kidding me. I don't remember Vayne having infinite dashes like Kalista. There's mobility and there's too much mobility. Kalista would fall under the 2nd category. No marksman should have infinite dashes.
vayne has better range, can cancel her auto, can stun kalista by nailing her to the wall, can stealth (which, by the way, causes kalista's spears to fall harmlessly to the ground), can buff her chase speed, gets passive bonus chase speed, gets bonus damage, and shreds, possibly killing on the third hit without having to hit an extra button.
So yes, Vayne.
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vayne has better range, can cancel her auto, can stun kalista by nailing her to the wall, can stealth (which, by the way, causes kalista's spears to fall harmlessly to the ground), can buff her chase speed, gets passive bonus chase speed, gets bonus damage, and shreds, possibly killing on the third hit without having to hit an extra button.
So yes, Vayne.
The difference is Vayne's only escape ability is her tumble and tumble has a cooldown.
Maybe Kalista does poorly against Vayne but that's not the point here.
Feathermane2 votesDon't let the fact every meta marksman since Ezreal has been hyper-mobile distract you from your daydreaming.
Minrog2 votesDon't let the fact every meta marksman since Ezreal has been hyper-mobile distract you from your daydreaming.
Caitlynn, Kog'Maw, Draven and Jinx all came after Ezreal. I don't consider Caitlynn to be hyper-mobile the way Vayne or Kalista are, but maybe some people do. Even so, I still see the other three being played quite a bit (in the LCS as well).
Just not sure what they were thinking with the auto-attack Flashes they gave Kalista.
Left Hook Larry1 votesI agree Marksmen are suppose to be low mobility, but high damage output champions. That's why in teamfights you're suppose to peel for them. When you give this Marksmen such high mobility how can you not expect them to be broken?
Silents4291 votesThen don't run right at her? If you keep stunning her like the crap Udyr does, you shouldn't have a problem.
Caezium13 votesDoesn't stunning her as Udyr require running at her?
Silents4291 votesIll elaborate, Running directly at her is bad.
Going around to get the drop is good. 1v2 her she doomed too.
Frozen Heart and Randiuns also good.
Righteous Glory is neato too.
Remlap12238 votesSo unless you get the drop on her, she gets a free pass to escape? Meanwhile Ashe sees Vi coming from mid lane, and she still can't get away from her.
Silents4293 votesWeird how you bring Vi into this, but I assume you mean Vi's ult, in which Kalista can't escape either.
Remlap12236 votesI've said it before and I'll say it again. 2 scenarios.
Scenario 1: Ashe is a little bit overextended in bot lane. River is warded, and she sees Vi coming. She turns on her Q and immediately tries to back away from her. Vi pops her Q and lands it on Ashe. Ashe pops her flash, and constantly lands her slowing auto attacks, but Vi has too much sticking power, and Ashe dies.
Scenario 2: Kalista is extremely overextended in bot lane. River is not warded, and she has no idea Vi is coming for a gank. Vi pops her Q and lands it on Kalista, who turns around and proceeds to pop her own Q to hop away form her, and even Vi, with her 350 MS cannot catch the endless leaping Kalista. She succesfully escapes under her tower without popping flash. Kalista lives.
Even if Vi ulted Kalista, unless Kalista is low, she's escaping. Teamfights are different, but not even a champ as sticky as Vi can stop Kalista if she gets the jump on her. All Kalista needs is her Q ready.
Silents4292 votesThen blame your bot lane?
Just because you are experiencing scenarios like this doesn't mean anything to me. I haven't denied Kalistas jump was bullshit but I have pointed out ways of getting around it.
Remlap12236 votesWhy would I blame bot lane for a bullshit champion? Did you even read my argument? What I'm saying is that the fact that Ashe playing smarter than Kalista and getting punished worse for littler mistakes is unacceptable. There isn't a way to get around Kalista's jumps unless you're ranged and mobile, or you have a lot of hard CC to lock her down. That leaves a VERY small champion pool that can counter Kalista.
Silents4296 votesWait you are going to seriously use the most outdated adc as an example?
How about a Vayne that can condemn her, or jinx with a long ranged slow and root.
Why would it be unacceptable to think maybe Kalista just counters Ashe? And how is it a small champion pool, all the popular champions right now all have intense CC and gap closers. And again, Getting between her and her desired destination is a good counter too, she isn't unstoppable and if you are failing to do something this basic then one of you is doing something wrong.
In fact I will go further and call bullshit on your whole scenario, if Vi doesn't have boots it is safe to assume this is early game, where she doesn't have much attack speed, and is squishy as all hell, if your bot lane and you managed to hit her and she doesn't die then her support is good, or you are simply lieing out your ass right now.
