Can we please address diana?

Xavanic·Oct 14, 2017·5 votes·924 views

You guys went and gutted rengar because he was bursting squishes too fast (and then proceeded to nerf him over and over) and yet diana still remains with the ability to press r and w and q as she lands and boom any squishy is dead....and if they do get away, she just follows with another fucking ult cast....theres no way to outplay her ult because its targeted and shes INSANELY hard to kill because of her shield....either bring rengar (and every other diver) to this level or nerf diana Edit: oh and small dashes like lucian e are countered by her pressing e....dianas way too strong imo

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Tristanl0lOct 15, 20174 votes

she has a 3% pickrate mid, and 1% in the jungle. if she was actually a problem she'd have a much higher pickrate. the only players picking Diana are mains or people that miraculously remembered she exists, which might answer why you got shit on in ONE NORMAL GAME.

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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she has a 3% pickrate mid, and 1% in the jungle. if she was actually a problem she'd have a much higher pickrate. the only players picking Diana are mains or people that miraculously remembered she exists, which might answer why you got shit on in ONE NORMAL GAME.

i play her once and a while, and when i do, i get like 30 kills, shes actually so fucking busted but people just forget she exists

Tristanl0lOct 15, 20172 votes

you also had a 1/9 lulu support with smite. maybe if you didnt int bot you couldve won. your zed was more fed than diana, and your renekton was just as fed. dont blame other champions for being overpowered when you played poorly

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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you also had a 1/9 lulu support with smite. maybe if you didnt int bot you couldve won. your zed was more fed than diana, and your renekton was just as fed. dont blame other champions for being overpowered when you played poorly

we didnt int bot, i was 4/1, but my team fed diana Edit: fyi, i play diana, and she def feels overpowered, her ability to delete an adc with 2 items is actually insane...

Tristanl0lOct 15, 20171 votes

yeah i also play Diana.

http://championmasterylookup.derpthemeus.com/summoner?summoner=200m&region=NA

IręlíaOct 15, 20171 votes

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she has a 3% pickrate mid, and 1% in the jungle. if she was actually a problem she'd have a much higher pickrate. the only players picking Diana are mains or people that miraculously remembered she exists, which might answer why you got shit on in ONE NORMAL GAME.

Wrong, Skarner had a 75% winrate before the 2015 failure. And NO ONE except me and like 3 other people played him (exaggeration) . I ONLY played skarner since I started playing until his rework. I miss him so much, but I havent been able to play him since then.

xJLx MCHammerOct 14, 20173 votes

She is an assassin but with clear counterplay,,,,

She has to land a Q to use her ultimate without a cooldown. She is melee and has low range.

Just pick a champion that can harras her from distance. Don't pick a Cass into her because she will R into you and kill you. Pick a Velkoz ...

XavanicOct 14, 20171 votes

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She is an assassin but with clear counterplay,,,,

She has to land a Q to use her ultimate without a cooldown. She is melee and has low range.

Just pick a champion that can harras her from distance. Don't pick a Cass into her because she will R into you and kill you. Pick a Velkoz ...

except when shes in the jungle you cant harass her, and shes strong enough to chase out anyone who tries to invade

LongHair FoxOct 15, 20171 votes

She loses most duels pre 6 and even after 6 she is heavily item dependent. She needs to hit a q if she wants to 1 shot someone unless extremely fed or at 5-6 items. All assassins are bullshit when extremely fed and at 5-6 items only teamfights really happen and then she has a hard time getting to the backline without getting cc'ed and killed.

The reason rengar was not allowed to do that was because he had his invisibility which could always get him to the backline as well as the fact that he only needed 3-4 items to oneshot an adc even without being fed.

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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She loses most duels pre 6 and even after 6 she is heavily item dependent. She needs to hit a q if she wants to 1 shot someone unless extremely fed or at 5-6 items. All assassins are bullshit when extremely fed and at 5-6 items only teamfights really happen and then she has a hard time getting to the backline without getting cc'ed and killed.

The reason rengar was not allowed to do that was because he had his invisibility which could always get him to the backline as well as the fact that he only needed 3-4 items to oneshot an adc even without being fed.

Rengar was fine pre rework, but they went and destroyed him for his mains anyways....and rengar cant do one shot anything anymore unless the whole enemy team is literally braindead, tbh, i wouldnt care if they took his stealth out, i just want him to be playable besides the lame tank build, also she can outduel alot of champs pre 6, she just get bullied hard in mid because shes melee, but ive seen diana easily outduel a lee and a kha zix, hell ive even outdueled a kayn and yi that have invaded me, shes not weak early, just easily bullied by ranged like most champs

LongHair FoxOct 15, 20171 votes

Rengar was maybe fine to play pre rework but one of the worst assassins to play against due to lack of counterplay. Yes he is not able to one shot anymore but I doubt there is a good version where he can oneshot from stealth.

If you outduel a lee as diana pre 6 then either the lee is behind by a lot, missed his q or did not use his skills. The same goes for khazix. Yi and kayn are also bad duellers pre 6, or rather pre transform for kayn and pre items for yi. In the end I can guarantee that diana is on the rework list but is well within line strength wise.

Fortunately it does not matter what you think is under or overpowered, in the end you have to back it up by facts, reasons or logic. Just because I tell you that rengar is in a good spot now does not mean you like him there. This is similar, unless you can give me a reason she is too strong right now I don't see a reason to agree with you.

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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Rengar was maybe fine to play pre rework but one of the worst assassins to play against due to lack of counterplay. Yes he is not able to one shot anymore but I doubt there is a good version where he can oneshot from stealth.

If you outduel a lee as diana pre 6 then either the lee is behind by a lot, missed his q or did not use his skills. The same goes for khazix. Yi and kayn are also bad duellers pre 6, or rather pre transform for kayn and pre items for yi. In the end I can guarantee that diana is on the rework list but is well within line strength wise.

Fortunately it does not matter what you think is under or overpowered, in the end you have to back it up by facts, reasons or logic. Just because I tell you that rengar is in a good spot now does not mean you like him there. This is similar, unless you can give me a reason she is too strong right now I don't see a reason to agree with you.

Okay, facts, her ult is a TARGETED, UNSTOPPABLE DASH which can be reset with an instant q upon getting to a target (yes, you can, its hard to do but possible), she has an AOE knock-up that applies a hefty slow afterwards and forces you close to her, she has 4 damaging abilties within her kit (which is rare now a days, only other champ i can think of is vel'koz and maokai) one of which can be reset, while another gives her a pretty large shield, which when coupled with a zhonyas makes her very hard for ads to kill, she gets a 50% attack speed steroid whenever she uses an ability for her next 3 aa's (making it hard for champs like yasuo and even darius to duel her), her q has a very generous amount of range and speed and damage at a pretty low CD (something not alot of divers can say they have), all while having moderate ratios and very short CDS (most of her abilites have 4-5 sec CDs mid game, even her ult only has a 20 sec CD)....if you want i will upload my next game with her, but shes one of the few champs i can consistently carry with, along with kled, warwick, and the new xin....

Also, so its fair to alienate the rengar players from playing there favorite champ? tbh i would have rather seen him get reworked into a fighter as i loved the attack speed steroid on his q, now it literally feels like a shitty version of xins new w

LongHair FoxOct 15, 20171 votes

Rengar literally had the same problems diana has right no. Instead of the reset on ult he had a reset on whichever ability he liked along with an empowerment of it. I am not saying she is healthy, she does need a rework. What I am saying is that she is not overpowered. She has the very binary playstyle of an assassin without an escape which riot has deemed, and rightly so, to be unhealthy.

You have correctly identified that she is unhealthy but not given a reason that she is too strong. She sits at a 52% winrate with a 1.9% playrate, which is under average for midlaners and very low for assassins. Besides this she counters a lot of popular mid laners like cassiopeia and syndra, meaning that her winrate should be somewhat higher than normal.

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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Rengar literally had the same problems diana has right no. Instead of the reset on ult he had a reset on whichever ability he liked along with an empowerment of it. I am not saying she is healthy, she does need a rework. What I am saying is that she is not overpowered. She has the very binary playstyle of an assassin without an escape which riot has deemed, and rightly so, to be unhealthy.

You have correctly identified that she is unhealthy but not given a reason that she is too strong. She sits at a 52% winrate with a 1.9% playrate, which is under average for midlaners and very low for assassins. Besides this she counters a lot of popular mid laners like cassiopeia and syndra, meaning that her winrate should be somewhat higher than normal.

Tbh, i would like to see her get "reworked" like the rest of the assassins.....but at the same time, shes about the only pick i can carry with now, since lately if i jungle, all my laners lose, regardless of what i do FYI, rengar has always felt more like a fighter, i would rather he have his old q with a nerfed ad ratio (the one that gives him an attack speed steroid)

Diana PoggersOct 14, 20171 votes

She's only strong if you know how to use her like how any champ is. How they said it she can get harassed very easily just pick Orianna. Shes very dependent on hitting her Q so if you get hit by it expect some damage.

XavanicOct 14, 20171 votes

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She's only strong if you know how to use her like how any champ is. How they said it she can get harassed very easily just pick Orianna. Shes very dependent on hitting her Q so if you get hit by it expect some damage.

Except that whenever i see her im not laning against her....

xJLx MCHammerOct 14, 20171 votes

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Except that whenever i see her im not laning against her....

except she is not. She is not invisible so if she tries to defend her jungler, she will lose it.

She will get out dueled by many of the common junglers. Ezreal, Sej, Gragas, Elise, Xin..etc will all beat her pre level 6. Most level 6, she will still lose unless she gets a full charm off them.

XavanicOct 14, 20171 votes

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except she is not. She is not invisible so if she tries to defend her jungler, she will lose it.

She will get out dueled by many of the common junglers. Ezreal, Sej, Gragas, Elise, Xin..etc will all beat her pre level 6. Most level 6, she will still lose unless she gets a full charm off them.

Huh? im talking about diana, the ap diver with a built in attack speed steroid and a very low CD burst combo, not eve, the degenerate reject of an assassin thats in serious need of buffs

Ganked By TiltOct 15, 20171 votes

Diana has a problematic kit but she's gonna get changed sooner or later, the meta doesn't favour her at all right now so she's really not that big of a problem against these shield bots and MR stacking remember she does Only AP dmg a lot of it but only AP.

XavanicOct 15, 20171 votes

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Diana has a problematic kit but she's gonna get changed sooner or later, the meta doesn't favour her at all right now so she's really not that big of a problem against these shield bots and MR stacking remember she does Only AP dmg a lot of it but only AP.

Its just frustrating trying to adc against her