point of this assassin rework was to reduce burst, while adding mobility and utility, and improve their theme
Kassadin can one-shot a carry if he is full-build Kassadin mobility is shit and limited unlike talon, when kassadin should be the "riftwalker" Kassadin utility is terrible Kassadin theme doesn't feel like an anti-mage at all except taking less magic damage.
Ralanr3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z7Uprw9k,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-21T12:59:48.512+0000)
point of this assassin rework was to reduce burst, while adding mobility and utility, and improve their theme
Kassadin can one-shot a carry if he is full-build
I think most damage champions can.
Kassadin mobility is shit and limited unlike talon, when kassadin should be the "riftwalker"
...what? Sure he has limited mobility pre 6 (though avoiding creep block is nice) but post 6 he basically has flash on a less than 10 second cooldown. The only downside is the increased mana cost per cast. But the mana items he builds aren't really making him miss out on anything. Lichbane, Archangel, and RoA benefit him greatly!
Kassadin utility is terrible
Yeah. The only utility he has is a super situational targeted ability (in that it cancels channeled abilities) and a slow that requires 5 (6?) abilities to be cast before he can use it (and it still costs mana despite its main requirement).
Kassadin theme doesn't feel like an anti-mage at all except taking less magic damage.
Well when he had an anti mage feel he was pretty stupid. Silences alone don't counter just mages, but any ability reliant champion. Considering how important abilities are in league, it spreader his influence way farther than it should IMO.
Making an anti mage is also making an extremely situational champion. While Riot is getting in the habit of making champions do well in specific niches, I think a full on anti mage champion is too varied even in their niche.
Not saying he doesn't need something. He was one of the few assassins who didn't get anything in the assassin update and the mage one didn't touch him either. So it's possible Riot is saving him for when more immediate problem champions (Galio, Warwick, Urgot, Evelynn, Mordekaiser, Swain, Pantheon, etc) are dealt with.
D357R0Y3R2 votes1: Not anymore, with every rework no assassin can kill you in 0.5 second except rengar full build critting a target
2:None even Kassadin, even Karthus builds 
anymore, at best kassadin is going to build ROA and lichbane as mana items
3:his slow lasts 1 seconds, i have no clue why
4:Being an anti-mage isn't all about silence, look at Dota2 for example.
and by he way, if they delayed his burst by 1 or 2 seconds like any assassin, they would have been able to give him his silence back.
Ralanr1 votesHasn't Riot said that mana burn just doesn't work in league? Considering how much everyone relies on mana and how mana burn hurts low mana pools more than high mana pools, I can see why it isn't a great antimage mechanic.
D357R0Y3R1 votescongrat, you jumped on their train
by dota2, i wasn't refering to Magina, who is the most famous dota character due to his manabreak. Magina like you said isn't an anti-mage as he is a counter to low mana targets.
However, Nyx Assassin is the true anti-mage. He sucks against non-mage targets and that is due to his nuke being Mana-burn:
-burns a % of the target mana based on their intelligence (dota2 version of AP) and deals the same amount of damage.
Ralanr1 votesYou'll have to forgive me. I don't really know the entire cast of Dota 2, so my knowledge pool of their heroes and mechanics is lacking.
1374341 votes{quoted} and by he way, if they delayed his burst by 1 or 2 seconds like any assassin, they would have been able to give him his silence back.
The whole point of delaying burst is to give the enemy an opportunity to fight back (or escape). If they are silenced during that duration having the burst "delayed" means nothing.
D357R0Y3R1 votesyes, 
can't fight back if she is silenced.
Did you see what they did? fizz has to wait 2 seconds to burst you down. No, if a mage is silenced and kassadin was reworked properly, they would just wait 2 seconds to stop being silenced, then fight back and have as much chance of winning the fight as you. And kassadin would have a point, stopping people from using spells for a short duration.
1374341 votesYes, since every champion in this game is an auto attacking adc...
What would happen is Kass would silence the mage, wait x seconds, then instantly burst them down with his "delayed" burst asap, while the enemy mage derps around throwing some weak auto attacks until being bursted (can't escape because can't use flash or ability, while Kass still has R).
There is a reason that Riot removed all silences from assassins. It is just not healthy gameplay. Note that LB use to have a silence. Note that Riot did not give it back to her despite delaying her burst.
D357R0Y3R1 votesRiot removed silences from leblanc and kassadin, because they were both killing people in 0.25 seconds, from 600 range, and silencing+slowing people at the same time, making you unable to move, and unable to dash/cast spells.
don't try to search an other reason. And they didn't give it back to leblanc because right now on PBE leblanc does 60% of your hp in one second unlike fizz/talon, and that silence isn't a core to leblanc's identity unlike kassadin (being an anti-mage).
1374341 votesAnd you advocating that Riot go back to the same thing. Except now instead of killing you in 0.25s Kass toys with you for 1-2s before you die while you remain unable to respond. Kind of like when you have no health and got a Zil bomb ticking on you, except in this scenario you have (almost) full health and are just waiting to instantly die.
Things like increasing magic shield strength, or adding a spellshield to his kit somehow would be far healthier while maintaining the "anti-mage" image.
Nahui1 votesThey removed silence from assassins due to counterplay. Talon, Kassadin and Leblanc all lost them because it was found the target physically couldn't do anything while under attack. High burst is fine, but creating a situation where the enemy physically can't react is toxic.
Even vayne got fucked by silence. No tumble, ult or condemn for 1-2 seconds spells death is most assassination scenarios.
They can't make a straight antimage. There's no champ in game that is a "counter-this" where their kit outright defeats a class without much possibility of another result. Kass takes 15% less magic damage, has a shield, itemizes well with anti-AP items, and has a spell that charges off of casts (more thematic than actually anti-Mage)
A silence makes it nearly impossible to lose to a Mage, so you create a mid lane that can't have mages or else. Kass's problem wasn't his slow silence combo. It was just his silence. When silenced, even your base ms didn't save you from his burst. Assuming his slow wasn't a thing, you still had no chance to escape due to him having a similar ms and an ult. You can't use mobility spells due to silence. His silence was always the problem.
Silences have always been the best CC in league due to how long the duration is since it's not a movement-impairing CC. The only difference between a silence and a stun is the ability to move and auto, but while stuns always had lower 1-1.5s stubs overall (some outliers), silenced have always had high numbers
J Eevo3 votesKassadin starts up as one of the least damaging assassins, and only ends the game with being able to dish out damage. He's set up as a late game carry so the damage he deals is kinda justifiable considering how long and how much he has to pay for it.
I do agree he should get changed though, as his damage when behind is laughable with the low bases, I was hoping he'd get some work done but to no avail.
And why the hell is he still limited by the charge system on E I have no idea.
Nahui1 votesThat is purely to keep jungle Kassadin from becoming a thing. That would be broken if it worked well.
MunchCrunchLunch3 voteskass has the lowest damage of any mage in the game. he cannot one shot people. unless hes ahead. or bought a lichbane and its late game
he did need changes tho. he will get a vgu am guessing somewhere. in 2018 most likely
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteslol. thats a very hopeful estimate because riot reworks are slow as shit. for good reasons most likely. i think ryze poppy and taric rework were decent. i don't thnk they wre great. i think they were decent.
Timethief492 voteskassadin is in the best state of balance he has ever been in. i honestly hope they dont touch him in the near future. he was either permaban or neveruse for a long time
D357R0Y3R1 votesI completly forgot about kassadin with all those reworks
Bladerunner77771 votesKassadin is fine
I'm glad he wasn't changed
