Lissandra new passive HOLY SHIT

Best princess EU·Mar 24, 2017·124 votes·17,822 views

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I LOVE IT, i found my new mage

please keep up the good work and buff every single boring champion like this

240 Comments

LyingOnLineMar 24, 201773 votes

I really hope this doesn't go through.

It would just make her absolute cancer top lane.

Again

CatastropMar 24, 20178 votes

I doubt it, she'll still have the issue of being made irrelevant by simply being counter built with a Cowl. If anything, it'll be a nerf to top lane Liss, as she won't the wave clear pressure without the free Q's right at the start of the match.

LyingOnLineMar 24, 201730 votes

Doesn't do anything about her having tons of easy magic damage harass while being basically immune to melee champs.

JavelinJoeMar 24, 20176 votes

not to mention that since her Q is super easy to land, and has a 3s CD at max rank that basically is 1 point of damage every 3 seconds. AND since she will have a lot of mana regen because building item 3003 would now be broken on her with the free mana stacks.

BLACK REALM GODMar 24, 201712 votes

would it? think about it... THINK ABOUT IT...

item 3089 Veigar

Sion item 3748

Nasus item 3078

Yasuo item 3031

Thresh - they took this item out of the game, but it used to grant stats for magic resist and armor.

SilverjustMar 24, 20174 votes

I dont understand your list some infinite stacking champs with some sort of synergy-tems

BLACK REALM GODMar 24, 20172 votes

well... isnt that what lissandra would be with archangel staff?

infinite stacking mana + an item the grants synergy for infinite stacking?

SilverjustMar 25, 20171 votes

No, I mean why is Yasuo there, and why does nasus have item 3078 , he stacks infinitly and has a good synergy with the item but his stacks don't go with trinity. That was what confused me

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

yasuo's passive give %50 critical striking and IE doubles it, but also gives AD. AD scales with critical and then is granted bonus AD in the form of IE's passive. critical has a Thresh hold just like attack speed range and such, but i didnt want to put all of those down. it'd have been annoyingly long of a list.

kindred for example could have been on that list. draven even. there are more but 7 or so was enough.

nasus's Q builds off of attack damage, and has a low cooldown. trinity force grants it bonus damage of up to 200% based on attack damage, but if you get item 3100 item 3115 item 3003 or a few other combinations with frozen gauntlet you can get a looping Q ability. trinity force just made it easier although i could have put sheen too i guess...

SilverjustMar 25, 20173 votes

a lot of champions get stats from their kit, so yasou does not really fit, and trinity only works for base-ad and nasus stacks give him only gives him q-onhit-damage

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

that's not the comparison i was drawing facepalm

it's multiplicative stacking. compounded multiplicative stacking.

SilverjustMar 25, 20172 votes

nasus's Q builds off of attack damage, and has a low cooldown. trinity force grants it bonus damage of up to 200% based on attack damage

thats not how it works

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

so you're telling me that an empowered basic attack doesnt get the bonus 200% attack damage from triforce? i think you either read that wrong or nasus should be fixed then.

triforce grants 20% cdr. that makes the Q happen faster. nasus's Q is an ability therefore it procs spellblade. spellblade deals nasus's base attack damage plus 200% on his next basic attack. Nasus's basic attack activates the Q and deals bonus 100% base attack damage + 30-110 + 3x damage. if nasus kills a unit nasus gains a stack to the Q permanently increasing the damage as it would normally.

is that not how it works? nasus doesnt deal 300% base attack damage + stacks and ability damage?

nasus cant critical that damage and deal 500% damage with 1 basic attack using infinity edge?

WolfessMar 25, 20173 votes

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so you're telling me that an empowered basic attack doesnt get the bonus 200% attack damage from triforce? i think you either read that wrong or nasus should be fixed then.

triforce grants 20% cdr. that makes the Q happen faster. nasus's Q is an ability therefore it procs spellblade. spellblade deals nasus's base attack damage plus 200% on his next basic attack. Nasus's basic attack activates the Q and deals bonus 100% base attack damage + 30-110 + 3x damage. if nasus kills a unit nasus gains a stack to the Q permanently increasing the damage as it would normally.

is that not how it works? nasus doesnt deal 300% base attack damage + stacks and ability damage?

nasus cant critical that damage and deal 500% damage with 1 basic attack using infinity edge?

no, it deals an additional 200% BASE attack damage.

so it's 300% base total and then PLUS the bonus damage from his empowered Q. this is why people usually take iceborn gauntlet instead since it adds tank stats and more mana

Velzard of KozMar 25, 20172 votes

Lol no. Triforce gives 200% base AD.

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20171 votes

i know that. i said that. you get 200% base after using an ability as bonus damage right?

item 3078 "after using an ability the next basic attack deals bonus physical damage equal to 200% base attack damage on hit"

Velzard of KozMar 25, 20172 votes

You said based on attack damage not base attack damage. Baed on atack damage means scaling with attack damage. Read your own post again, you quoted yourself wrong.

Velzard of KozMar 25, 20172 votes

Jesus.

trinity force grants it bonus damage of up to 200% based on attack damage,

This is what you wrote. You quoted yourself wrong.

KoggyStyleMar 25, 20171 votes

200% BASE ad.... 3300 for tri good farming will net you tri by lvl 7? he should have about 87 ad by then base wise so 184 ontop of q dmg....

BLACK REALM GODMar 25, 20172 votes

i know it's base.

you cant predict anything but base damage. everything else will need you to adjust it - that's obvious, but if you know the base damage everything else falls in line.

my point is that you get more q's which gives you more q's to get more q's.

JavelinJoeMar 24, 20172 votes

Yes and those items just validate my point more. You also forgot about Ryze item 3003 who is in a similar situation.

BLACK REALM GODMar 24, 201719 votes

ryze doesnt gain mana infinitely i dont think. he just has mana scaling similar to kassadin.

FalconPawwwwnchMar 24, 201727 votes

Nice I love fighting a champion with 0 counterplay for melees top lane

It'll be Quinn all over again

AhristocatsMar 24, 201727 votes

depends which melee actually

for instance renekton doesn't have any problems against lissandra, it's actually the opposite

Auz the RipperMar 25, 20174 votes

Liss is really the least malignant of the top lane cancers

BakedLotionMar 24, 201712 votes

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Nice I love fighting a champion with 0 counterplay for melees top lane

It'll be Quinn all over again

i mean how is this worse than her old passive? She's countered by MR even more, which top laners can build hexdrinker/cowl for

And it's what, like 5 extra damage early game? Old passive gave her a free spell to chuck you with every time it was up, so that was much worse. don't get what you're complaining about

Calintz6565Mar 25, 20174 votes

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i mean how is this worse than her old passive? She's countered by MR even more, which top laners can build hexdrinker/cowl for

And it's what, like 5 extra damage early game? Old passive gave her a free spell to chuck you with every time it was up, so that was much worse. don't get what you're complaining about

What more is there to say, but this ^

CatastropMar 24, 201714 votes

Holy crap on a cracker this better not be some cruel April Fool's joke or I will cut a bitch, and oh my god I want it NOW.

ModKnightsKemplarMar 24, 20174 votes

I am as excited as you... but they already said they might pull it. We need to do two things:

Continue championing this as a great idea
Temper our expectations in case Rito lets us down.

BorblandMar 24, 201712 votes

Lissandra item 3100 item 3003 item 3042

SoryInAdvanceMar 24, 20172 votes

why the muramana?

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 25, 20177 votes

Bonus AD for the empowered AA, more mana for staff's scale. And the most important argument - because she can Katarina

GetMariahCarriedMar 25, 201712 votes

Ashe Guys... we've been in this match for 70 minutes, can we please en- Nasus Veigar Lissandra Sion NO!!!!!!

CasterGilgameshMar 25, 20171 votes

we now need an infinite scaling ADC maybe if Kalista gets a rework? i mean she has the theme for it

AptestMar 26, 20172 votes

we have one. Kindred

CatastropMar 24, 20179 votes

I just realized, item 3100 is going to be dope af on her now. Or maybe even item 3025 depending on if it also changes it to magic damage. Dammit, why don't I have a PBE account.

Penta PenguinMar 24, 20173 votes

old passive was boring but at least it wasn't another stack mechanic...

An Enemy SutandoMar 24, 201716 votes

Compare the amount of stacking passives to the amount of 3-hit passives.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Sraeg2013Mar 25, 20174 votes

That shouldn't take long.

https://www.playerattack.com/imagery/2015/01/skeleton-computer.jpg

Penta PenguinMar 25, 20176 votes

too many and too many

HeresyHorusMar 24, 20172 votes

omg, it means that current PBE changes are not April Fool shit. and Jinx W crit is going to be REAL.

AhristocatsMar 24, 201719 votes

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TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 201713 votes

They reverted the Kat ult change too.

AhristocatsMar 24, 20179 votes

am i being stalked?

TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 201720 votes

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######:P

NymzoMar 24, 20171 votes

Does this stack indefinately like Nasus's q or Veigar's q?

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 24, 20178 votes

yup

Velzard of KozMar 24, 20173 votes

Archangel Staff incoming

Very Hard EngageMar 24, 20171 votes

tbh it seems abysmally weak.

bonus damage on autos and they're talking bout 1 per kill/assist.... thats soooooo bad.

15 damage on an auto is not something desirable or to go out after.

max mana? id rather have free spell cast every so often.

it just doesn't ramp up enough. sure it may fit in as a "passive" but its weaker than her current passive.

FefnilMar 24, 20179 votes

Per kill/assist? I think you got it wrong. The stacking works almost exactly like Veigar's one, she gets a stack everytime she hits a champion with spells or passive itself, so definitely much more than 15.