Gangplank and elise are nerfed for the fucking sake of lcs
meanwhile lee remains the same but also has x10 more pick rate
Oh yea
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Tourian124 votesElise winrate in solo went from 47 to 54 overnight with echoes. Its not Elise its the fact that this item is basically just as good as ludens but can be first bought. It also has a massive 10 percent Ms which is the highest in the game.
They're going to pull a sejuani and nerf her kit then gut RE, which will put her right back in the trash in time for SKT T1 Elise which no one will buy because she won't be viable, leading to riot believing its not worth making skins for her. Again.
Bisaknosp51 votesElise winrate in solo went from 47 to 54 overnight with echoes. Its not Elise its the fact that this item is basically just as good as ludens but can be first bought. It also has a massive 10 percent Ms which is the highest in the game.
They're going to pull a sejuani and nerf her kit then gut RE, which will put her right back in the trash in time for SKT T1 Elise which no one will buy because she won't be viable, leading to riot believing its not worth making skins for her. Again.
laughed at this because its the fucking truth
Penguin Eclipse1 votesElise winrate in solo went from 47 to 54 overnight with echoes. Its not Elise its the fact that this item is basically just as good as ludens but can be first bought. It also has a massive 10 percent Ms which is the highest in the game.
They're going to pull a sejuani and nerf her kit then gut RE, which will put her right back in the trash in time for SKT T1 Elise which no one will buy because she won't be viable, leading to riot believing its not worth making skins for her. Again.
I own all her skins and would love to see more. But I'm not going to lie. If you ignore her victorious skin which was given away for free, Elise is one of the champions I see with the fewest skins used in game. Granted she only has 2 real skins but she seems to be one of those champions that needs a truly exceptional skin if Riot wants to make sales. I don't see an SKT T1 team skin being that skin and I don't see it being popular no matter how strong she is.
Tourian3 votesYeah who the hell would want Elise "dat ass" the Spider Queen in heels and SKT Zyra style booty shorts. kappa
Cowgirl Ed20 votesAre people serious with this Lee thing? I mean he's just picked a lot, I don't see him that strong. Just annoying because of his versatility
Catastrop60 votes3 seasons straight of the same thing does that to you. Like I said in a previous thread, I'd like them to just gut him for like a month for some fresh air then they can revert the changes.
Cowgirl Ed21 votes3 seasons straight of the same thing does that to you. Like I said in a previous thread, I'd like them to just gut him for like a month for some fresh air then they revert he changes.
Lol remember what happened when there was a mini-rework on the PBE? I think Lee's gonna stay like this till end of the game
Heckin Support19 votes[{quoted}](name=Kiss Kiss Kiss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-01-19T20:26:03.286+0000)
Lol remember what happened when there was a mini-rework on the PBE? I think Lee's gonna stay like this till end of the game
But they let the Cass and Morde rework through. Riot needs to either always listen to player feed back that well, or not listen. No in between.
BastionKross24 votesThere's our answer: Let Stashu or CerT rework Lee. They'll listen to the Lee fans just as much as they never listened to Cass and Morde fans.
Zenthon Prime10 votesTo be fair, CertainlyT recently did two pretty good reworks with Cait and Graves.
The Rewritten22 votesThe point is that he didn't ever consult the players.
Last time Riot tried to touch Lee, all the Lee players raged and got their panties in a bunch.
Lee hasn't been negatively touched since.
Moon Mom8 votesLee sin has received a few nerfs since then.. I've never understood the boards obsession with him. He isn't that bad.
The Rewritten12 votesHe isn't that bad because his damage is gated by either flash, Q, or poor positioning (going into an unwarded bush, etc.). However, the fact that he has superior mid game damage, inescapable combos, extremely powerful flexible mobility, good utility, low cooldowns, no mana and has strong item paths makes it really infuriating to deal with.
SpecterVonBaren2 votesOn the other hand, they were also his most unintrusive reworks ever, Graves passive was taken from Jhin who was designed by Gypsy leaving only his Q for any real significant changes and the changes to Caitlyn were very minor things.
SociopathFriend4 votesWell that's dumb- they should judge the feedback independently every time- sometimes it's good and sometimes it isn't.
World Ender3 votesNot everyone has played for 3 seasons straight. Maybe you should ban Lee in every game if you're so tired of him.
Some people have only been playing for a few months or a year and don't mind champions like Lee. You just feel so entitled to hate on champions because you simply have been playing the game for a long time?
Anything can frustrate you after a long time, hell having to flush the toilet is annoying if you think about it. But little kids love flushing toilets because they think it's cool. So why do the older players get to take away from the fun of newer players?
I hardly see Lee played at all at my elo, which is where about 90% of the player base sits. He's a difficult champion to play well, and nerfing him would probably cause him to see basically no play, because the payout would be too low for the cost.
DREADN0UGHT2 votesActually silver 5 and 4 is not even close to 90% of the playerbase. But sure.
World Ender3 votesConsidering how many people actually never even play ranked? Yeah. It's pretty close.
ZT Xperimentor18 votesSame with over 1/2 of the champion list; seriously their favoritism needs to stop, it's already boring enough as is.
tooomine2 votes[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-19T20:08:35.867+0000)
Same with over 1/2 of the champion list; seriously their favoritism needs to stop, it's already boring enough as is.
ikr? I didn't even watch the last match of the worlds finals this year because it was another Ashe-Sivir match, that was in 2 of the 3 preceding games, AND like 75 percent of all the other games in worlds. I can only take so much incessantly boring utility ADCs.
The Bíg Ticket17 votesNo they are getting nerfed because they are op.
Best princess EU31 votes[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-19T20:05:18.285+0000)
No they are getting nerfed because they are op.
No, they are op only when mastered and played around a team composition, which never happens besides in lcs, riot stated that they don't balance around competition. Those 2 epecially gangplank are nowhere to overwhelme soloQ.
If you lose lane against gangplank as jax might as well delete the game.
Sasogwa5 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-01-19T20:08:00.044+0000)
No, they are op only when mastered and played around a team composition, which never happens besides in lcs, riot stated that they don't balance around competition. Those 2 epecially gangplank are nowhere to overwhelme soloQ.
If you lose lane against gangplank as jax might as well delete the game.
What? Yeah Jax outscales Gangplank in a 1v1 but he should not beat GP in lane, if GP is good. At a good level of play, I'm even convinced GP should get a slight CS advantage
The Bíg Ticket22 votesPretty sure you never played Jax because he certainly has a much weaker laning phase than GP. Good GPs will outfarm Jax' easily. GP's laning is not the problem though, it is his global presence and insame mid-late game damage.
Elise is easily one of the best junglers in the game, she can completely snowball her team and decide the game in the first 10 mins. THe introduction of Runic Echo put her over the top.
YumaS2Astral24 votes[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2016-01-19T21:04:35.483+0000)
Elise is easily one of the best junglers in the game, she can completely snowball her team and decide the game in the first 10 mins. THe introduction of Runic Echo put her over the top.
Lee Sin could always do the same, yet he has never been addressed.
The Bíg Ticket14 votesI am not defending Lee...I am just saying that both GP and Elise deserve the nerfs.
Commit Sudoku15 votesLee Sin is just popular his win rate is actually god awful.
http://puu.sh/mBSNj/c65ccccbeb.jpg
45% winrate and 31% play rate. OP =/= Popular
Saianna31 votesyou know how many players is this 31%, right?
And Lee still manages to be in 45% which is just slightly lower than average..
While champions like pre-nerf Swain with less than 2% play rate had 48%~winrate and was nerfed.. Which means only good Swains played him.
Handin Out Naps13 votesLee's winrate at 125+ games is 47% rofl, tell me more about how his play rate is fucking up his winrate. You guys are so completely blinded by pure hatred for a champion you can't even begin to understand logic. There is a reason I have 60k mastery points with lee but I an still unable to call him a comfort pick, he is a very hard and very fun champ. He isn't even slightly op right now, just stop trying to say he is.
Litterally open your eyes and take a look at more than just play rate. His average games for player base is 114 and swains is 123, considering their HUGE difference in play rate it's astounding how little the difference is, take a look at their playerbase experience distribution charts 11.6% of lee players have 1-15 games and 25% have 15-50 games. MEANWHILE the last 60% of lee players have 50-125+ games good fucking thing his huge play rate is fucking up his winrate right? Yeah nice joke bud.
Swains playerbase distribution chart is actually just pitifu, a huge 36% of his playerbase has 1-15 games, 22% has 15-50 games, then finally 40% of his player base has 50-125+ games. From the data it seems Swains winrate is being skewed by newer players A LOT MORE than lee sins data. I think you guys just need to stop trying to call lee sin broken, he is fun, so he is popular, now get over it.
http://champion.gg/champion/LeeSin/Jungle http://champion.gg/champion/Swain
Ulquiorra9951 votesStill, he should be taken down just for the sake of variety (which Riot already did use as a reason to nerf someone, mind you). Even if he ends up useless, if that opens up the space for 5 or something new champions to see more games I'd say it's a good trade.
Handin Out Naps3 votesWhy would you nerf a 45% winrate champ??? That isn't how balance works, let people play what they find to be fun, once again get over it.
Ulquiorra9951 votesThat IS how balance works in this game if your name is not Lee Sin. Riot nerfs/reworks champions for one of following reasons:
- Being genuinely overpowered
- Being infuriating to play against (ex. old Soraka, Poppy, Eve, upcoming Urgot)
- For the sake of variety (ex. Sion and Sejuani)
Even if he is not overpowered by definition, he greatly violates other two points.
Handin Out Naps3 votesSej was nerfed for being at a 60% winrate pls stop pretending it was for the sake of variety. She was straight up busted with cinderhulk and needed nerfs. And lee doesn't crowd other champs out by being overpowered he crowds them out by being very fun to play, two very different things. Also something I find funny is that Malzahar is absolutely cancerous to play against bit the second he gets a tiny mana nerf the boards starts crying "why nerf malz not even op", meanwhile they cry gut Yasuo and Zed because they are extremely unfun to play against. Face it the boards is just a huge stupid circlejerk that needs to learn what is actually op.
NichtHurz1 votesSeriously, I don't give a damn for his winrate. Just delete this champion for one season and he can be buffed to heaven after that. I just don't wanna play against the same champion over and over and over and over again for the 4th year in a row or something.
Handin Out Naps2 votesLearn to deal with it, seeing a champion often has never bothered me, I just continue playing the game. If it bothers you that much then lol probably just isn't the game for you.
Vanjie14 votesProof of Riot incompetence and champion favouritism. Imbeciles cannot do anything right.
DunkinNoobs10 votesThe difference is that GP and Elise are nearly 100% pick or ban in professional play and Lee is generally only used as a comfort pick for certain teams.
Tohob9 votesis 
even good rn? i haven't heard of her getting buffs in a long time and last i saw her yes she was getting played in the pro games, but she was getting absolutely stomped by 
in every. single. game.
Tourian7 votesElise actually counters lee if you're good with her.
GlockHammer12 votesElise actually counters lee if you're good with her.
Which is why she isn't allowed to have any spotlight, all spotlight must be for Lee Sin, what a blind man needs all that spotlight for is beyond me but heck, Riot will be Riot.
magic pole1 votesmaybe you watch a different league but i haven't seen lee picked once this season in LCK
every game is 
with the occasional 
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesFirst game of EU LCS--> Lee was picked by origin
Keevalroy5 votesAnd now she's getting nerfed because Riot's "balance" team is fucking awful. I seriously don't understand how they're employed after such a long string of bullshit every patch. Favoritism, lies, hypocrisy, contradicting logic, dismissive ignorance, and outright arrogance when it comes to balance - all things that should indicate it's time for a replacement team who actually cares about the state of the game.
"Oh it's PBE and this is subject to change!"
It doesn't matter. It's the fact that these changes are even considered (most of which make it to Live anyway) that makes me wonder just how much thought goes into this job. If I can be payed to sit in an office jacking off to LCS Big Plays and crushing counter-playmakers, then hire me, I'll work for less than they do and I'll even be honest with what I'm doing with my time.
How would you like me to present my resume Riot?
DemiluniS4 votesBecause 54% win rate is nothing to be concerned about
Keevalroy5 votesOh please, it's not like this came out of nowhere...
Let's introduce this month's AP jungle item attempt and tailor it to early game pressure, which is what Elise is good at. Now let's see what happened - huh, whattayaknow, she's really strong with it, but rather than examine the item efficiency, we're going to hit the champions who pick it, then we're going to hit the item, and forget those first set of nerfs even happened.
But thank God Lee isn't affected by any of this and can continue to be the most played jungler in the game for 5 conecutive fucking seasons in a row while his competition is nerfed for "having enough time in the spotlight."
SithesisLord8 votesIt´s honestly a small nerf to Elise. Most who play her don´t even max W first.
15 damage less on each rank. Big deal.
GP still needs nerfs. He's still a terror to balance after all.
Lee's low winrate is directly affected by his play rate. His actual mains do slightly better, but far from reaching 50%.
Being popular brings less benefits than it gives in his case it seems. That also means that up there people actually know how to deal with him. Right now, he's honestly just annoying.
But eh, i just pick Smite/Exhaust Shyvana into him and farm him like the blind jungle monster he becomes. :3
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesYou don't want Lee sin nerf.If you want nerf,you look Lux,Ahri,Diana,Trundle,Mundo,Fiora,Tahm.Ok?.Ahri and Lux are so strong.Diana one shot to ADC's, Fiora %100 win rate in NA LCS,Mundo and Tahm are very strong and can not be killed,Trundle is god tier support.
Serika Zero4 votesDiana's job is to 1 shot, she's an assassin afterall. Just like:
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z8tU2XAz,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2016-01-19T22:07:17.001+0000)
Diana's job is to 1 shot, she's an assassin afterall. Just like:
And tanky.This champions aren't tanky.Ok.Diana has broken kit.She needs nerfs absolutely.Ridiculous burst and tanky.Very stupidly.Diana can 1v1 against Renekton,Pantheon,Riven and a lot tanky champions.It does not make sense.Her shield must be removed.
InHaruhiWeTrust3 votesMy bae 
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but you almost completely sacrifice your ability to kill squishies for the sake of being able to ok deal with her counters but its almost never worth it. Diana is one of the most balanced champs in the game having very real counter play. she can be a real nightmare when shes really fed like all assassins but she's more manageable than than alot of them when they are fed like or or or
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also people Q.Q about any champion even if the are a little too strong makes me lol when this sack of cancer still exists in his current state.... i mean come on...
also also for some reason it is insanely hard to get a single person on your team to buy 
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on the same team or not lol sorry for the rant
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