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Support items are toxic

Moody P··14 votes·6,702 views

I don't think any set of items has lent themselves to abuse more often than support items have.

Can we talk about this at some point? Feels like once a season there's some bullshit strat that creeps into meta that ruins the game for everyone else. Nobody liked dealing with double Targon's melee bot. Nobody liked dealing with Frostfang mid, nobody liked when ADCs bought Relic shield to get their support Ardent bot online sooner, nobody liked the funnel shit, and the Frostmancy is being neutered immediately today.

I don't think support mains like their items getting deleted for BS that appears outside of their own lane and nobody likes dealing with it when they're the people who actually have to lane against it.

Maybe the idea that gold income requires this "interactive" nature is faulty because it allows abuse from people who can get the most gold out of it with the least interaction possible? Maybe it should just be a lesser total but steady amount of gold income like the old gold-per items did.

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Tobykachu4 votes

It's definitely more fun to play support when you get rewarded for harssing the enemies in lane, so I'd be very upset to see this change implemented and I don't really play non-spellthiefs supports, so I don't have much of a valid opinion on the others.

Honestly at this point it just seems like Kleptomancy is to blame and is resulting in an unhealthy number of ranged top laners appearing top to bully out the melee champions, so I think they could really do with hitting that before they decide to nerf the support items and considering the only other champion that takes Klepto, that doesn't go top lane, is Ezreal who could also do with being hit.

Moody P1 votes

Illaoi takes Klepto as well. I mean, she has plenty of alternative runes, but Klepto is usually her main choice.

It's a fair point that it feels good to be rewarded for harass but I would contend that pushing someone else out of lane and denying the carry CS is reward on its own.

Tobykachu1 votes

I don't think many supports outside of the mage supports have the necessary damage to push someone out of lane on their own. I don't know if Riot has the necessary tools to make the spellthief's item only proc on the bottom half of the map for the first 10 minutes or so, given that death recap has remained this buggy for this long makes me think not.

One thing's for sure, they need to buff the range in which you need to be near an ally to proc the spell, as it's borderline non existent.

Moody P1 votes

zilean and karma definitely do and AFAIK they're the two culprits for this shenanigans right now. Karma top is semi notorious for being complete pain in the rear for 90% of melees

Tobykachu1 votes

They certainly deal a lot of damage, but, unless they land all of their abilities off cooldown, they generally don't push people out of lane, especially as most supports offer some kind of protection against damage or sustain and along with fleet footwork + a dorans item, adc's tend to be able to stay and regen back up.

I generally think Riot will refrain from just sending support items back to a passive gold generation thing as Support is already heavily viewed as the most boring role by a lot of players.

Karma is the bane of multiple roles, especially against melee champions, so I'm happy to see her shot out of top lane every time she shows her face there.

RebeccaUCuber2 votes

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It's definitely more fun to play support when you get rewarded for harssing the enemies in lane, so I'd be very upset to see this change implemented and I don't really play non-spellthiefs supports, so I don't have much of a valid opinion on the others.

Honestly at this point it just seems like Kleptomancy is to blame and is resulting in an unhealthy number of ranged top laners appearing top to bully out the melee champions, so I think they could really do with hitting that before they decide to nerf the support items and considering the only other champion that takes Klepto, that doesn't go top lane, is Ezreal who could also do with being hit.

riot is actually hotfixing the 0 farm strategy with Frostfang and coin. I think the OP really called this xD

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aposey/hotfix_shipping_tomorrow_to_address_the_0_cs_top/

NoPaxt3 votes

Just remove Klepto.... problem solved!

RebeccaUCuber1 votes

you could have a point or not...But let me ask then, how support could gain gold then? Do you dislike frost fang or all the items?

So we have critics and possible solutions!

A girl Supp Main1 votes

Quest support items were a band-aid fix that's gotten nothing but band-aid fixes when stuff goes wrong due to the inherent imbalance of items generating gold from FREAKING NOWHERE in a game about distributing limited resources as effeciently as possible.

Riot should replace their poster-champions with just Amumu because most of the game is band-aids holding each other together desperately.

Exin02 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Girl Supp Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z5ZulMiA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-12T13:09:53.093+0000)

Quest support items were a band-aid fix that's gotten nothing but band-aid fixes when stuff goes wrong due to the inherent imbalance of items generating gold from FREAKING NOWHERE in a game about distributing limited resources as effeciently as possible.

Riot should replace their poster-champions with just Amumu because most of the game is band-aids holding each other together desperately.

then give us another option how to manage gold on supports, only things i can think of are remove one player from game so no more duo bot or stop gold generating from "FREAKING NOWHERE" and let sups compete with players for CS or stop gold generating and let supps without any income, you are free suggest something else and maybe Riot implement it but shouting TOXIC BOOO doesnt help to anything

Pandemic Punch1 votes

I wouldn't care if they removed the ap from frostfang and just allowed it to have heal and shield power or mana regen

Done251 votes

Support item's aren't toxic. Frost fang is. It rewards a champ for doing what they were already going to do anyways.

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