Oh right, the Riot solution: Give it more damage

Moody P··116 votes·18,574 views

Caitlyn? More damage. Corki? More damage. Kalista? More damage. Ornn? More damage, and let's shit on his defense even though he's a tank. Tristana? Lower cooldown, for more damage. Vayne? Lower cooldown (for more damage.)

I'm just gonna find a new game to play for the winter. I can't handle this preseason.

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89 Comments

SwiftKitten8818 votes

im not usually one to agree with moodyP... but seriously guys..

nerf the op shit.

the answer to "school shootings" isn't to give all the kids weapons so they can defend themselves. It's to make it so weapons are harder to get for lunatics.

If ADC's are in a shitty spot becuase champions like Irelia Akali Leblanc can freaking 1 shot them... just like they can 1 shjot every other class in the game... outside for a full tank which take like like 4 shots to kill

MAYBE we should be addressing THEM and not: saying "here take this bazooka to defend yourself from the school shooters".

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO THIS.

"hi doctor.. i think i sprained my wrist". We can make you forgot about that... here let me chop off your legs" now you wont care about your wrist anymore" that should MAKE EVERYTHING ALL BETTER

3 Tears2 votes

History repeats itself, the same thing happening now happened in pre-season 7. The only ADCs who were viable was like Lucian, and everyone else was shit because they got one shot.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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History repeats itself, the same thing happening now happened in pre-season 7. The only ADCs who were viable was like Lucian, and everyone else was shit because they got one shot.

ikr i feel like we have to replace "bart" with "Riot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pxG4yd8U3U

Rαy5 votes

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im not usually one to agree with moodyP... but seriously guys..

nerf the op shit.

the answer to "school shootings" isn't to give all the kids weapons so they can defend themselves. it to make it so weapons are harder to get for lunatics.

If ADC's are in a shitty spot becuase champions like Irelia Akali Leblanc can freaking 1 shot them... just like they can 1 shjot every other class in the game... outside for a full tank which take like like 4 shots to kill

MAYBE we should be addressing THEM and not: saying here take this "bazooka to defend yourself" from the school shooters.

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO THIS.

"hi doctor.. i think i sprained my wrist". no proably we can make you forgot about that... here let me chop off your legs" now you wont care about your wrist anymore" that should MAKE EVERYTHING ALL BETTER

Pretty good analogy actually.

Dracocrash16 votes

To be fair, the kalista changes aren't straight buffs. They're mainly reducing kalista's reliance on her bound ally. No longer grants 25 bonus AD when near oath sworn at max rank, in exchange for +20 damage on Q, more ad per level/base/AS perlevel.

charge attack9 votes

Imagine complaining about troll-tier champions who revolve around doing damage being given small damage buffs. Lmao.

Also this doesn’t increase “damage”. Buffing troll tier ADCs back into the meta is damage neutral at worst. Because instead of having Lucian, they pick Kalista, that’s a net damage decrease (even if Kalistas damage has been increased).

Or you could not buff Cait/Kalista and no one will play them. And damage will be exactly the same if not higher.

Moody P43 votes

woah dude damage buffs will do anything when every marksman is complaining about getting one-tapped by Irelia before they can auto once

charge attack5 votes

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woah dude damage buffs will do anything when every marksman is complaining about getting one-tapped by Irelia before they can auto once

Didn’t say it was the only change needed. But increasing their damage doesn’t “omg power creep” the game (as I explained). If anything runes/items have been creeped, and defenses decreased. Instead of nerfing 135 champions damage how about they deal with this external damage sources instead?

Moody P1 votes

that would be nice wouldn't it

Elijawho1 votes

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Didn’t say it was the only change needed. But increasing their damage doesn’t “omg power creep” the game (as I explained). If anything runes/items have been creeped, and defenses decreased. Instead of nerfing 135 champions damage how about they deal with this external damage sources instead?

Or they could just buff defense

Pika Fox5 votes

Imagine an ADC not being out of position for once so they dont die to a champion and let their front line front line!

Sire Hippington28 votes

front line? It's been quite a while since if seen something one could call a frontline...

Spicy Rice3 votes

It's almost as if irelia can jump down a lane before an adc can move.

Pika Fox2 votes

Its almost as if supports and frontline exist to CC her to hell and back if shes dumb enough to try.

LordGeovanni1 votes

No No they cant adcs have ranged cc that they can apply for an advancing irelia or mobility to run out of an irelia's range when she is going to kill a minion even speed boosts will get them out of range before irelia can get on them none the less land an e for the hyper mobility and damage they complain about but she needs to e and ult to do any of it and her base damage is piss poor other wise and sheen has a cooldown which is 60% of her combos damage.

LordGeovanni1 votes

No No they cant adcs have ranged cc that they can apply for an advancing irelia or mobility to run out of an irelia's range when she is going to kill a minion even speed boosts will get them out of range before irelia can get on them none the less land an e for the hyper mobility and damage they complain about but she needs to e and ult to do any of it and her base damage is piss poor other wise and sheen has a cooldown which is 70% of her combos damage. increased with steraks gage

HÔPÊ1 votes

It is not about being out of position. Somebody can just jump on you are deal 1,4-2k dmg and you can do nothing about it. Adc players don't even play marksman anymore. Only fucking Lucian is playable, coz he is overbuffed as fuck. He can even play top and mid with the same success.

I mean, there should be more outplay potential in the game, but it is somewhere under that pile of damage that negates all outplay potential.

Pika Fox1 votes

That sounds exactly like being out of position. Also, ADC players are still playing ADCs. Non ADCs bot are still like a 5% pick at most.

HÔPÊ2 votes

I mean that adc players are not playing adc, but mid, top and jng. Except for Lucian and kaisa mains.

Pika Fox1 votes

Most ADCs are viable and good. ADCs dont even determine the bot meta, supports do.

HÔPÊ1 votes

LUL there is too much damage in the game. ADC players don't even play marksman, because of how shit marksman are. Irelia can burst you out of existance in 2 sec. Kha Zix in 1 sec. Positioning doesn't even help if somebody jumps on you and does 2k dmg. There should be more outplay potential in the game, but damage negates all outplay potential.

Weensw2 votes

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LUL there is too much damage in the game. ADC players don't even play marksman, because of how shit marksman are. Irelia can burst you out of existance in 2 sec. Kha Zix in 1 sec. Positioning doesn't even help if somebody jumps on you and does 2k dmg. There should be more outplay potential in the game, but damage negates all outplay potential.

I call this the celebrity effect:

  1. Riot has been pushing e-sports for a long time.
  2. They think big numbers and the faster the health bar disappear, the more exciting the game would look. On the other hand, fights lasting longer, and champions surviving longer is "unexciting to the viewers" in their standards.
  3. Therefore, they increase the damage, nerf defense and in the past "changed how a healthy damage formula worked into a celebrity looking one".
  4. Out playing opponents takes too much work, excitement and is frustrating to a lot of people, therefore, if everyone can one shot everyone, it makes players feel good and don't have to put in as much work. Therefore, they further buffed damage and nerfed defense.

To sum it up: big damage/numbers = exciting, hard to kill = boring/makes noobs quit. How else are they supposed to even the gap? but most importantly? If you and your opponent takes longer to die, how are you supposed to look like a celebrity when people are watching? One shotting people make you look like you're a god at the game, therefore, they must find a way for you to be able to look like one. It's all about how you look when people are watching you. That's the whole point.

Do you understand now?

Jaegaer8 votes

same not even playing this game anymore i just frequent the boards to see what else is happening thats making this game go down to shit cos the devs certainly give no shit lmao

Nea1047 votes

The same people who have proved their incompetence during the whole Season 8, and probably before, are still "working" on this game. I keep saying it, I don't understand why someone still believes that something can improve here. :/

I'm actually looking for a better game for this winter. Every advice is welcome :D

Fnatic ComeShot3 votes

BR: Ring of Elysium. Its free and much more polished than PUBG so you can hop in. MMORPG: Elder scrolls online has a free weekekend and its for 10euro or 15USD now.

hoorable mention: Lost Ark. Diablo killer and potential wow killer. However its korea only so you need VPN

Nea1042 votes

Thank you! Interesting advices!

Akaśhí2 votes

For Honor

Nea1041 votes

I was so interested about it, indeed... I have the free access version, but it's HUGE :O Like 80 GB

The Goodest Boy2 votes

ikr??? i was gonna try it but I just CANNOT fit that shit onto my comp. destiny 2 (which I wouldnt normally play, but blizzard recently gave it out for free to anyone with an account) is like 88 GB. like christ man! im probably gonna need to buy some memory expansions or something.

Nea1043 votes

SSDs are now pretty cheap, compared to like 2 years ago. They are smaller than HDD, for the same price, but you can get a good 500 GB with less than 100$. You can use it for your programs and games, and store the data (movies, pics) somewhere else. I'm gonna do something like that, actually :D

The Goodest Boy1 votes

500GB?? damn. thats pretty hefty actually.

thanks for the advice on that one

Nea1041 votes

Np, consider that "common" HDDs for the same price are 1-2 TB, but muuuuuuuch slower :D

Śhunpo3 votes

DOOM 2016 is pretty great since you can really go all-out at unleashing all your pent-up anger in one go.

Nea1041 votes

That sounds good :D

MuffledGarbage2 votes

Soul Calibur 6

This is prime time to get into the Soul Calibur series. For reals, it's easy to learn and hard to master without being the league black hole that has enveloped the actual game. Also 2B from Nier Automata is coming to Soul Calibur 6!!!

Beacon Academy6 votes

Oh Rito... Buffing damage so you can buff defense just to buff damage again later.

The vicious cycle.

Instead of just lowering damage in the game so that everyone would near equally become tankier...

Now anyone who didn't get a damage buff is gonna have a harder time against Ornn.

Masterwork item buff. Stat buff. Damage buff. Armor/MR buff.

in exchange for a bit of slow off his Q.

Wonderful. /s

Bisaknosp4 votes

cait has been trash for so long these 'buffs' are a joke

Infernape1 votes

Apparently the upcoming marksmen changes are meant to benefit her. It's a case of waiting and seeing.

saltran3 votes

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Apparently the upcoming marksmen changes are meant to benefit her. It's a case of waiting and seeing.

Well, Meddler said on that recent QGThoughts that they wouldn't even buff her a bit until the crit items changes because the changes would help her but apparently he realized that for how trash Caitlyn is now she would need more than the crit items to be decent again.

I'm glad that he changed his mind, maybe she can stop being the non Kalista worst adc in the game after months.

Jerry SeinfeId4 votes

Ornn? More damage, and let's shit on his defense even though he's a tank

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Living Forge (Passive) [New] Now grants an additional 10% bonus Armor and Magic Resistance from all sources.

Moody P10 votes

extra 10% armor doesn't come close to matching the removed shield

Hupsis3 votes

He gets free stats at lvl 13 through masterwork items. That 10% bonus to armor & mr encourages him to build defensively. Also his E damage scales off of armor and mr.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

Even then its not that great. Plus said shield removes a lot of its skill celling. Using your shield to eat big dmg.

Agent Corgi3 votes

Just want to make sure I'm reading this right. "Ornn now gains an Additional 10% Armor & Magic Resist from all sources"

That sounds like they're buffing his defense too.

stone the blacks4 votes

it's so his e does more damage

Agent Corgi1 votes

That's right, I forgot Ornn's E scaled off his defensive stats.

I mean, I'm looking at this change as a buff to his defense, but it looks like it's a buff to his damage too.

Bouncemaster Zac3 votes

As though Ornn wasn't already strong enough.

The Goodest Boy3 votes

hopefully I manage to pick up the switch this winter season. gonna get a few nice games and abandon the shithole that is League until the inevitable carry meta these buffs will incur is patched out

sneakydoug1 votes

Zelda breath of the wild is probably the best game ever. Get the expansion packs.

Diablo and Pokémon i hear are decent too. And nothing beats mario kart if you have some people to play with.

The Goodest Boy1 votes

definitely trying to get breath of the wild! you think the expansions are worth it, if I like the base game? like super worth it or just decent?

never really played diablo, probably wont. was thinking of getting mario odyssey as ive heard only good things about it, and cmon man. if you have a nintendo console you NEED mario kart.

im hoping the switch will save me once and for all from my league addiction

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