Just disable Sejuani then Riot

Moody P·Sep 4, 2018·118 votes·17,484 views

Glacial Storm (R) field duration lowered from 3 seconds to 1

Just remove her from the game and refund us since you hate her so much

61 Comments

DaBoooshSep 4, 201816 votes

What happened with Sejuani? Why does Riot hate her?

Subject 5Sep 4, 201818 votes

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What happened with Sejuani? Why does Riot hate her?

Pro-play

Moody PSep 4, 201847 votes

she's an average champ in pro play and riot would prefer to appeal to the audience with a 2 second attention span who tune out if there isn't an endless stream of FLASH OUTPLAYS

into the bin she goes haha

GaliöSep 4, 201818 votes

I agree actually. She is ok in pro play right now (nothing special) and picking her is forecasted when the Enemy team bans trundle and the when she is picked it's usually the last pick before second round of bans or trundle IS picked.

And in any if those scenarios she isnt all that successful in being a strong player in the team, even as a CC bot.

She already has mediocre play and winrates in SoloQ... so gutting her more is just weird. Maybe if they compensate buff for the gutted ult?

Moody PSep 4, 201824 votes

she's worse than mediocre in solo. she is an actual int pick

Z3SleeperSep 5, 20181 votes

They really need to just fix the Trundle ult vs Sejauni interaction, it's gamebreaking.

DaBoooshSep 4, 20189 votes

what is that? Look at the Yasuo clips Look at FNC Caps He should be nerfed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i9huejrRlw&ab_channel=BaronRift

ned the kledSep 5, 20181 votes

worlds

Linna ExcelSep 4, 201813 votes

Revert her rework except for maybe her W is my suggestion.

Frosted TipsSep 4, 20186 votes

Her ult was legit broken back then way too strong of a spell that should never come back.

Linna ExcelSep 4, 201819 votes

Well, riot can't even get this weaker ult right so it's obviously not the answer they were looking for. Her kit just isn't fun anymore, she's weak in solo-queue, and OP in pro-play. Her rework failed so it's time to revert.

EldwoodSep 4, 20187 votes

She is a Braum of the Jungle<And you will see this answer at many other posts about sejuani =/>

TheSingularitySep 4, 20189 votes

Braum is the braum of the jungle [zombie-brand-mindblown]

EldwoodSep 4, 20183 votes

What other existance she has then? Beside being dependant on melee to use a part of her kit, and sucks even more if your team is filled with ranged type champions.

TheSingularitySep 4, 201813 votes

tbh pre rework was the peak of her existence. She valued now for the single target lockdown, because we're in a meta where 1 pick decides the game (where as you could waveclear 4v5 in previous seasons).

The issue currently, is that her triple hard CC is too strong and too reliable. She technically has 5 CC spells Q, W, E and 2 components to her R. And all of them lock down one dude. Compare this to similar champs: Naut: 3 hard CC, 2 of which are reliable, one is situationally AOE (in that it situationally hits more than 1 person). 1 soft CC Zac: 3 hard CC, 2 of which are reliable. Ornn: 3 hard CC, 1 of which is reliable.

She literally has the most CC in the game right now, she took the crown from nautilus and does his job better. Because she can actually clear the jungle.

She does honestly need a revert. Her old old was better but she did trade allot for it (2 hard CC spells instead of 3 of a standard tank). Other AOE ult tanks have similar trade offs (less hard CC for stronger hard CC) like amumu, braum, gnar, gragas (not really a tank but lol riot) and galio.

Hell revert zac as well while we're at it, he's as much of a balance nightmare and his old ult was also way better both in practice and in feel

GreenKnightSep 5, 20182 votes

Riot reverts only assassins, sadly. Tanks are not flashy enough, i'm afraid. Now i'm really sad, i want to play old Seju or Zac again :c

Dingding123Sep 5, 20182 votes

Agreed; original Sejuani was great. There's no need for what she is now. They really might as well either revert her or delete her if they don't like her, pro play or not.

Honestly the fact that she trumps freaking Skarner at single-target CC in pro play is astonishing.

Fckjaxsuo43v3rSep 21, 20181 votes

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tbh pre rework was the peak of her existence. She valued now for the single target lockdown, because we're in a meta where 1 pick decides the game (where as you could waveclear 4v5 in previous seasons).

The issue currently, is that her triple hard CC is too strong and too reliable. She technically has 5 CC spells Q, W, E and 2 components to her R. And all of them lock down one dude. Compare this to similar champs: Naut: 3 hard CC, 2 of which are reliable, one is situationally AOE (in that it situationally hits more than 1 person). 1 soft CC Zac: 3 hard CC, 2 of which are reliable. Ornn: 3 hard CC, 1 of which is reliable.

She literally has the most CC in the game right now, she took the crown from nautilus and does his job better. Because she can actually clear the jungle.

She does honestly need a revert. Her old old was better but she did trade allot for it (2 hard CC spells instead of 3 of a standard tank). Other AOE ult tanks have similar trade offs (less hard CC for stronger hard CC) like amumu, braum, gnar, gragas (not really a tank but lol riot) and galio.

Hell revert zac as well while we're at it, he's as much of a balance nightmare and his old ult was also way better both in practice and in feel

I'm okay with Zac's revert (his Q is really not my style, and it's hard to use it twice vs mobile champs that are everywhere in the game in s8), and his new ult feels...trash to me compared with the old 3 bounces bumps that could be used to reposition yourself into the ennemy team. Now I basically play Zac with 2 spells, W and E, and I could maybe climb to silver without unlocking ult and Q (well, I use Q only for the passive to proc and lower my W cd) at least I would have less unusable spells to manage and I'd be able to focus more on W, dropping passive blobs and E.

Seju 5 hard CC? her E is a joke, her ult is a joke, her Q has less range than Amumu's Q, her W only hard CCs minions and the like, no she doesn't have 5 hard CC, it's good looking on paper, but in reality Braum does everything she does, but better and while also protectig his allies. Naut has a grab, can cast it on terrain for mobility with refund CD and mana, he can grab+root+slow+bump, everything with little time to react and good hitboxes (maybe too big on Q so he grabs walls too often instead of champions -_-), and 2 of his hard CCs are point and click so they can only be blocked with spellshields. His ult is a bump so it's more than a hard CC, it's the only true hard CC since it's uncleansable. Seju's Q is a bump (1 target, not so good range, putting her in front or in the middle of the ennemies, great), her W is a slow, her E is what? a slow or a little kind of root, so useless it wastes a spell slot (I'd rather have the old E), while dealing 0 damage, her R is more dodgeable than ever with nearly the same time to go out as Nunu's ult, without the high damage part.

Ornn is half Seju half Rumble, with Rumble's Q damage on his flames, a better shield, a little dash that works weirdly, a Q that does little except slowing, and overall a busted but dodgeable ult allowing wombo combos (Ornn Ornn + Wukong MonkeyKing + Zyra Zyra + Brand + Yasuo Yasuo it would be funny to watch). He's the sticky annoying bruiser tank juggernaut with engage and disengage and one of the few champs actually hard to 100-0 in 2 sec in s8 alongside Naut, Urgot, Sion (with Naut's build LOL) and a few I don't remember. Mundo is easy to kill after you ignite him.

Daddy AntsSep 5, 20182 votes

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She is a Braum of the Jungle<And you will see this answer at many other posts about sejuani =/>

Except Braum is no where near weak or a troll pick.

Braum is still an extremely strong support.

Frosted TipsSep 4, 20182 votes

She wasn't fun before her rework either to many. She was much less healthy also so no don't revert her. Either fix her with her current kit or another rework. Many reworks are done because a champion is unhealthy so reverting to an unhealthy state is not an option.

SangreDeNocheSep 5, 20184 votes

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She wasn't fun before her rework either to many. She was much less healthy also so no don't revert her. Either fix her with her current kit or another rework. Many reworks are done because a champion is unhealthy so reverting to an unhealthy state is not an option.

Tell that to leblanc, rengar, kog'maw... I can go on.

Frosted TipsSep 5, 20182 votes

All of them are case by case, but how it seems to me each of the ones you pointed out became more unhealthy because of their reworks.

EldwoodSep 4, 20186 votes

And the reason that they reworked her, is to make a Sejuani a champion that wouldn't be all about her ultimate, not like we have already SUCH CHAMPIONS WHICH THEIR EXISTENCE IS ALL ABOUT THEIR ULTIMATES <Caps were on purpose>. How about they nerf Ornn ultimate for example, since unlike the stun which you can cleanse, QSS, or Mikael to get out of it, you can't escape a knock to the air if it hits you, right?

Moody PSep 4, 20185 votes

she's still an ult bot

oops

EldwoodSep 4, 20185 votes

After so many nerfs? Yes, a god damn ultimate bot #revertsejuani

Frosted TipsSep 4, 20183 votes

He is more than an ult bot and he offers a complex game mechanic with his ability to build items in lane. He is so much more than an ult bot.

EldwoodSep 4, 20183 votes

As I said, it was an example. I also play Ornn, and I agree with you, he has more than his ultimate, but we can't deny that sometimes is near to impossible to dodge his ultimate even if you have quick reactions, and perhaps a zhonya or a spell shield can save you from getting knocked. I only mentioned Ornn since his ultimate is a hard cc when landed well, like all skill shots ultimate. What is worst, a 5 men stun, or a 5 men knockup? #ornngoodchamp

Frosted TipsSep 4, 20182 votes

It is alot different because his is much more predictable so spell shields and mobility help alot against it, also braum and yasuo actually can super easily deny it while with Sejuani she could easily bait out your abilities and then use it or just surprise you with it with very little reaction time.

Alex h8721Sep 4, 20185 votes

Ranged Amumu ulty yeah thats balanceable LMAO

EldwoodSep 4, 20183 votes

The first damn champion that instantly came to my head, and only because he is already in this game longer than Sejuani.

Frosted TipsSep 4, 20184 votes

Actually better because it stuns.

crippler38Sep 5, 20182 votes

Always forget that it's just a root and disarm, not a stun.

CaveslothSep 5, 20184 votes

True it was very overpowered, but shes not fun to play since the rework. Same with Galio. Did he need rework? Yes. Did they completely ditch what made him fun and completely change his gameplay essentially deleting him and putting new champ in his place? Yes. Make something new just to make it new isn't always a good idea.

Frosted TipsSep 5, 20181 votes

They didn't just do it for shots and goggles he was not healthy and had almost a 0% playdate because he wasn't fun to most so they reworked him so people would play him.

CaveslothSep 5, 20182 votes

I know they didn't do it for shits and giggles, but the few of us that actually played Galio, it made want us want to quit the game because they delete our champ and replaced him with an imposter that didn't play like old galio, and wasn't fun like old galio. And they didn't exactly skyrocket his playrate with the new one either, because hes just NOT FUN. Did the rework need to happen? Yes, but they should have done a decent job making the new one as fun as the old one. They didn't, and it still pisses me. Same thing with Sej. Did she need work? Yes. Did they do a good job? Fuck no.

nGioSep 4, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYkbE7VF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:56:44.157+0000)

Revert her rework except for maybe her W is my suggestion.

Zac "Take me too!"

5050BSSep 5, 20183 votes

Her E needs too go back to rooting all who are frozen by just pressing the button. This Click on them shit is BAD

Fckjaxsuo43v3rSep 21, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYkbE7VF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:56:44.157+0000)

Revert her rework except for maybe her W is my suggestion.

True, her W is the only fine tool of her kit. Her new ult, well, it's like you play without an ult, your E is even worse since the requirements to cast it are very hard to reach in pvp especially in this ultra-mobile META where she can hardly stick to anyone, and even when it is usable, well, it's more trash than Aurelion's stars in close combat (I mean it's more useless than useless). Her Q is the same as usual.

She's so bad I've managed to bait Seju+Vel Koz (with all their CC, including Seju's ult from FOW) into dealing only 60% of my HP while farming and poking the Vel Koz in the small 3v3 bot lane with...wiiiiiith...KAYLE! Kayle 0 dash, just side stepping, no flash. Seju is that useless she can't even feed a Vel Koz correctly.

Not a tank in s8 where everything melts in 2 secs, not a CC bot because she can barely CC anything outside of her close range Q that put her right into the ennemy to be in the best position to feed, not a juggernaut since her damage is lower than Braum's, not a support since all she has left is an engage, and not even a good one. Better play tank Pantheon with liandry + rilay into full tank, at least he could deal some damage while having some poke, real CC and slow just like her...am I joking? well...I don't know myself if this Panth wouldn't be better than Seju (even if it's trash I know that). I just feel like I'm trolling when I pick Seju. She has always had ups and downs, but since her rework, she's awful. Get beaten by other champs in every single domain. Just pick Braum and Seju is already beaten as a CC bot (better poke, better engage, better damage potential, better carry potential, better tank, better ally protection, better team play potential...am I done?). Even an offensive Thresh with glacial augment beats her in everything and can actually carry.

SaiannaSep 4, 20189 votes

That's not a nerf.

That is simply removing her from the game.

Original SinSep 4, 20187 votes

She has the lowest win rate in the jungle in regular play (besides nunu but that should be expected in the first week).

BlytedSep 5, 20186 votes

The rework is a fail just revert this champion. This kit is unbalanceable she will either be too strong or too weak.

Summonah12369Sep 5, 20185 votes

Why do they hate someone who can ride a giant poro? :(

MOLTinaTORSep 5, 20185 votes

They COMPLETELY gutted her ultimate. First they decreased the stun duration and now this. I feel really bad for Sejuani mains.

KieferrSep 5, 20184 votes

Played over 200 sej games during s5-s6. What a joy she was to play. After the rework, she's nothing but a shadow of what she used to be. A pathetic kit and even more pathetic ult, and even worse was that she was sought after in pro play which we all know leads to needless nerfs as part of riots rotational meta. Saddens me to know I will never get to play the real sej again, forever. This is what my favorite champ has become now.

Tree CitizenSep 5, 20183 votes

I mained both Zac and Sejuani before the tank rework. One fateful morning i awake to find them both dead side by side next to a tree.

Chef BonezySep 5, 20184 votes

She a tanky, low damage, high cc TEAM FIGHT ORIENTED JUNGLER.

Riot's rework: Let's make her a weak duelist/brawler with minimal temporary SINGLE TARGET CC.

The reason this rework is shit is because it's not built around Sejuani's main theme (first line).

I main Quinn/Sejuani - both of my champions have been turned into streamlined garbage (Quinn will be trash tier soon enough, just wait).

TeCoolMageSep 5, 20181 votes

isn't all CC temporary

SweedishGunnerSep 5, 20183 votes

Sej revert when?

Somebody Love MeSep 5, 20183 votes

Meanwhile Graves

AlzonSep 5, 20183 votes

Sejuani has been put in line with the rest of the tank junglers XDDDDD

Now, hopefully the entire class can get buffed into relevance without her being a disgustingly overpowered outlier. Cinderhulk buffs would NOT be the way to do it without breaking Jax even more... I once saw a Cinderhulk rework idea that gave armor and HP in about the same amounts as Ohmwrecker. This would do.