Are we gonna get more Poppy compensation soon?

The Ecdysiast·May 17, 2018·9 votes·6,040 views

giving back 5 MS when the amount taken from her was actually 16 at the very minimum isn't going to be enough.

22 Comments

OnotoriMay 17, 20184 votes

I still want her to be reverted to the point her rework dropped her off at. You could build AD or tank, and she felt good to play without being overbearing (this was before they kneejerk buffed her).

VelvetCrotchMay 18, 20181 votes

you mean pre-rework poppy? this girl was just disgusting - cuz she was either never played or just facerolled hole enemy team..

OnotoriMay 18, 20181 votes

No, not pre-rework. 5.12 or whenever she was reworked, put her back in that state.

Warlord RhinarkMay 17, 20181 votes

revert Poppy amirite guys.

Trash MammaIMay 17, 20181 votes

I don't play much poppy even tho I do like her so enlighten me on what's wrong with her?

Sona PingMay 17, 20181 votes

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I don't play much poppy even tho I do like her so enlighten me on what's wrong with her?

Riot shifted some things around. They removed 5 MS, reduced the resistance scaling on W by 5% and movespeed bonus no longer increases with level (10% less at max), and took that hanging 10 damage off ult and reduced the knock-up by .25 seconds In order to Increase the range of her buckler toss by 50, increase the range of her charge by 50, increase the missile speed of her ult by 400, and made it so enemies are not untargetable and can now be damaged while knocked-up by her ult. Some people liked it, some people didn't. Riot reverted the MS decrease the next patch

AyzevMay 17, 20183 votes

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Some people liked it, some people didn't.

You're making it sound like it was an overall neutral change, even though her win rate dropped significantly after the changes went live.

SkorchMay 17, 20181 votes

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You're making it sound like it was an overall neutral change, even though her win rate dropped significantly after the changes went live.

in no sense of the word is 1.5% less a significant nerf, she did need compensation, and she does need more work. But this isnt a gutting at all.

AyzevMay 17, 20182 votes

-1.5% is far from gutting, but that doesn't mean it's insignificant.

SkorchMay 17, 20182 votes

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-1.5% is far from gutting, but that doesn't mean it's insignificant.

It doesnt, thats why i said she needs more work. But its not like poppy is unplayable now like A LOT of people are saying

AyzevMay 17, 20181 votes

No champion is ever "unplayable", even in a non-literal sense. But you're still putting yourself at a disadvantage by picking her instead of something else. Less than 48% win rate with a 2% pick rate is pretty weak.

Attticus FinchMay 17, 20181 votes

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in no sense of the word is 1.5% less a significant nerf, she did need compensation, and she does need more work. But this isnt a gutting at all.

1.5% is actually a huge number to anyone who has a basic understanding of statistics and sample size. She needs to have been performing worse then before in literally thousands of matches in order for the average to drop by that much.

SkorchMay 18, 20181 votes

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1.5% is actually a huge number to anyone who has a basic understanding of statistics and sample size. She needs to have been performing worse then before in literally thousands of matches in order for the average to drop by that much.

1.5% is large with a large sample size. however comparatively to other champions who have gotten smaller changes, with large variation in the result it isnt that large of a scale.

And if you use a bell curve for winrate. 1.5% deviation from the median isnt THAT bad.

Im not saying she doesnt need a buff, but comparatively to history, and what it couldve been, The amount of flak that the change got for such a small drop in winrate was overblown

Sona PingMay 18, 20181 votes

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You're making it sound like it was an overall neutral change, even though her win rate dropped significantly after the changes went live.

Dropped significantly? Poppy's winrate has dropped more than that on previous patches where she hasn't been changed. And that's if it even went down. I would want to look into it more, but it looks like it went up. Barely but that's not a decrease.

SithesisLordMay 17, 20182 votes

Some people liked it, some people didn't.

More like dash champ mains liked it and literally everybody else didn´t.

It´s not a power neutral change at all. It was an outright nerf. And very undeserved at that.

Meanwhile Camille has been an S/A tier top laner since the start of Season 8 and hasn´t been nerfed, despite badly needing a few.

Sona PingMay 18, 20181 votes

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More like dash champ mains liked it and literally everybody else didn´t.

It´s not a power neutral change at all. It was an outright nerf. And very undeserved at that.

Meanwhile Camille has been an S/A tier top laner since the start of Season 8 and hasn´t been nerfed, despite badly needing a few.

Camille is a different problem, in many ways. And that's a separate discussion that people should have.

For Poppy. I've looked more at it and I'll ask this. If the people who have said that they like playing using those changes are lying and literally everybody else didn't like them because there's no merit to increased ranges in exchange for late game armor points and ms, if it was so clearly a nerf, and the changes like exchanging .25 seconds of CC on the ult for increased missile speed and the ability to hit opponent while they are CC'ed is not beneficial or even a neutral change that people could prefer them and there is definitely no justification for such changes then why would Poppy's winrate have gone up on multiple servers? You would think an outright nerf would lower that. One could say "Oh those third-party sites like op.gg, they're just wrong about this particularly, this thing that doesn't count this time!" Well, if it was so definitively a nerf and so blatantly a reduction in strength, then how could such a discrepancy even arise?

BlackEyesBlueMay 17, 20184 votes

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I don't play much poppy even tho I do like her so enlighten me on what's wrong with her?

They made her squishier and slower as "compensation nerfs" for what should have been QOL changes... 50+ range on her passive and charge and taking the un-targetability away from a snap cast ult. She was already among the weakest top lanners; and was easily the least tanky tank before they did this... why she didn't just get the buffs is confusing.

DysnomiaMay 17, 20181 votes

Just wait for full revert. That's how they "fix" things.

Late For TeaMay 17, 20181 votes

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Just wait for full revert. That's how they "fix" things.

If assassins are anything to go by, that's going to be a long wait.

TEA Nietzsche May 17, 20181 votes

Poppy is performing quite decently actually if you take into account that most Poppy players have little experience with her as I pointed out in this thread.