I am simply over it. Anybody can build tank and not get penalized for it if they have good scalings. I have seen tank fizz. tank ekko, tank kat, tank akali, tank diana. It's b.s and there seriously needs to be some sort of punishment there. The WHOLE point of grabbing tank items isnt to be rewarded with damage. You sacrifice ap to get health. Not "oh lemme buy sunfire and still do shit loads of damage"
Valexfor5 votesTHe problem are neither items nor tank, but champions. Please stop calling it a "Tank Meta" it's not, it's a "Assassin that build Tank" meta. Not the same thing: tanks are not broken nor are incredibly strong, they are good and that's it. All the champions you mentioned are ASSASSINS that build tank, not tanks. If you are going to ask for something, ask for nerfs to those champs. Why do tank champs and players have to put up with the shit assassins are putting them through by continuosly getting theyr items nerfed? Nerf the fucking champs, not the items that are working as intended on the champions they're supposed to be bought on...
Bud Light2 votesthose champs have high base damage to begin with so its decent on them if they know how to play the champ... you can almost go tank everything and still do damage if you know how and when to use it
KillerKell1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bud Light,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yuHL2a3u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-24T22:24:17.712+0000)
those champs have high base damage to begin with so its decent on them if they know how to play the champ... you can almost go tank everything and still do damage if you know how and when to use it
Season 4 my Off-Meta Ashe Support was a prime example. Her build kept her under 125 AD, but you simply couldn't get to her (back when Slows stacked at 50% effectiveness). Between Frost Shot, Iceborne Gauntlets, Frozen Heart, Warmog's, Boots of Swiftness (Alacrity), Runaan's, The Black Cleaver and Wit's End (to take down both Armor and MR) you just couldn't get to me and I'd melt your Resistances so my Team Mates could destroy you.
You could effectively kite an entire team charging at you, with Exhaust to negate damage if some one did close, just to eat an R then be Perma-Slowed into oblivion.
There were obviously modified builds... but that's a Tank Build with Low Damage all day right there, and very Utility as well (taking down AS, MR and AR while slowing everything in sight).
So yeah, if you know what you are doing a LOT of builds can work.
KillerKell1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bud Light,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yuHL2a3u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-24T22:24:17.712+0000)
those champs have high base damage to begin with so its decent on them if they know how to play the champ... you can almost go tank everything and still do damage if you know how and when to use it
Season 4 my Off-Meta Ashe Support was a prime example. Her build kept her under 125 AD, but you simply couldn't get to her (back when Slows stacked at 50% effectiveness). Between Frost Shot, Iceborne Gauntlets, Frozen Heart, Warmog's, Boots of Swiftness (Alacrity), Runaan's, The Black Cleaver and Wit's End (to take down both Armor and MR) you just couldn't get to me and I'd melt your Resistances so my Team Mates could destroy you.
You could effectively kite an entire team charging at you, with Exhaust to negate damage if some one did close, just to eat an R then be Perma-Slowed into oblivion.
There were obviously modified builds... but that's a Tank Build with Low Damage all day right there, and very Utility as well (taking down AS, MR and AR while slowing everything in sight).
So yeah, if you know what you are doing a LOT of builds can work.
facemelter7101 votesI know it's a lot to ask for in game especially low elo because no one listens but try and get 1 or 2 black clvrs on your team. It is great. I use it on twitch so I can aoe lower defensive stats whilst my team fights up front. But yes I agree that tank Elko fizz and yi are a bitch. Alkali on the other hand I feel like takes much more skill and is wayyy more high risk than the other 3. Also her burst is pretty low late game with a full tank build bruiser hybrid jg is what I have the best luck on for akali
Beuhlakor1 votesDamages is right now off the charts and that's why tanks are better than 99% bruisers.
Every AP mid have more than decent damages / burst even utility-oriented champions like Lissandra thanks to Thunderlord and DFT.
Every ADC has either better sustain / better DPS thanks to Warlord / Fervor / DFT (for Jhin).
CDR is cheap and easily accessible for everyone : sure, Frozen Gauntlet "only" deals 100% base AD, but it also comes with 20% CDR => more skill spam, more Sheen procs and suddenly, the 100% base AD sheen proc becomes very powerful. Since the mages rework update, AP also have easy access to CDR.
Grasp of the Undying added free magic damages and a bit of sustain which is excellent for many tanks because most of them don't have innate sustain. Yeah I know, the sustain isn't big. But the next time you get killed by Ekko Tank or Maokai at lvl 6 and the ennemy survives with 50 HP, think again about Grasp of the Undying.
On the other hand, you have the bruisers : while having decent base damages, they need 1-2-3 (depends on the champion) offensive items in order to deal meaningful damages and then they have to build tanky. Because many can't afford to build a first defensive item, they WILL be a lot more squishy than tanks in midgame, in a game where the damages are off the charts since pre-season and the keystone masteries.
They will also take the risk of being a hinderance to their team if they fall behind in lane while a tank can reasonably fall behind in lane while still being useful thanks to his CC and tankyness. This is mostly due to the fact many offensive items had their price nerfed. And Trinity became an ADC items and is now shit on many bruisers.
Yes, it is also tilting me. But I hope it will change soon.
Woodakoodashooda1 votesArmor Pen runes are a must for a top lane fighter anymore. The amount of tanks and off tanks that exist anymore makes using a flat AD page a suicide mission. This will be enough to give you the early harass needed against low level, no damage tanks. If you can get in an early kill then you can keep killing them, rendering them inefficient for their team.
If you can't kill them then leave the lane and roam for kills elsewhere.
Black Cleaver is still incredibly expensive and the items that build into it offer little of value against tanks. It should be considered a a second item after Ghostblade. 1100 gold and you've extra attack damage and armor pen from Serrated Dirk alone. Build it into Ghostblade and you've your first core item.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesYet Tank akali is actually kinda stupid..
LadyRenly1 votesbut tank meta is so much healthier and fun than an assassin meta!! at least rengar cant one shot you if even the adc builds half tank!!
