Should we start increasing base Cooldowns?
Now dont get me wrong many champs always went with alot of CDR, Riven for example and many mages but adcs never got close to the 40% mark (with exception of blue ez), now with either black cleaver build path they can fairly easily reach that point.
thoughts?
Desolas Arterius2 votesI don't think it's a big issue.
CDR on ADCs doesn't make them OP or anything since they mostly rely on their AA/Crit damage. I think the real issue is items meant towards melee assassins are being abused on ADCs. CDR wont change their damage output, save Ez, but the items they do grab that are connected to the CDR can.
to name a few that usually should be reserved for melee, yet are being used on a ton of ADCs giving them quite a lot of power and CDR.
Just my thoughts though.
Brutalitops011 votesI think what's the point in balancing a champion's numbers around an item stat? If you balance a champion around the potential to get 40% CDR, they'll be forced to build 40% in order to function.
Silent Pace1 votes
was added for ADC. If ADC is getting CDR from somewhere else, then it isn't a big deal because was added for a reason, no?
Desolas Arterius1 votesWasn't it mostly added for the mana regen as a solution to ADC's who rely on mana, but don't benefit from Manamune? Could be wrong though @_@
Silent Pace1 votesIt doesn't give much damage though. I just looked on it's stats and it says Lucian, Sivir, Jhin, Miss Fortune, Ashe, Ezreal, Varus, Graves, Draven and Jayce are the most popular champs to build it.
Then I looked at most popular builds for each champ, Sivir is the only champ to consistently build it. Not even Ezreal, Varus or Jayce use it because they build Muramana. Every other champion is getting cooldown from 
and sometimes
. If you're not Ezreal, Varus, Sivir or Jayce then it seems like you don't need much mana regen to deal damage.
Desolas Arterius1 votesOh no I'm well aware that item is pretty bad on the champion it was intended for. Hence why their builds always have that trifecta of pain x_x
I just thought Riot initially added that item as a solution to ADCs needing a mana item that wasn't Manamune since it didn't work with them except for Ez.
Aptest1 votesno.
But we should remove the free 20% CDR that everybody's core items has on them. kill the CDR on BC. Kill the CDR on morrellonomicon. Kill the CDR on Glacial shroud and Spirit visage.
There should not be a single "core item" that has CDR on it.
yoshi27901 votesmorrellonomicon is bought pure for his mix of AP Cdr and mana.
It'll be sht without.
Aptest1 votesthe whole point is to make you choose. the whole point is that you're gonna not have a "overall best option"
EDIT: CDR should be on items that have shit AP. AP should be on items that have shit CDR. because that's the basic choice: burst VS dps. if have both on same item, no choice.
