i can with all likely hood say that we the vast bulk of the player base are completely fed up with it
assasins arw ment to have there delayed burst, mages for the most part have skill shots bruisers are melee all have to deal with supports peeling and aid
adcs have point and click burst, yes burst its no longer dps its burst damage
i am sick to death with the balance teams silence on this issue
Kythers46 votesassasins have there delayed burst
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Death by Glamour10 voteswell they are meant to have delayed burst
[slayer-jinx-wink]
IoLana2 votesDiana is too dependent on her Q to actual one shot a squishy which is holding her back against decent players who know how to effectively play around it dodge q and she cant 100-0 you. Also she's a diver not an assassin, has no escape when she goes in while other assassin's do leaving her vulnerable to the enemy team and peel.
Tails901618 votesAP assasins have there delayed burst
That should fix it.
Unless Diana and Akali are classified as assassins and no longer divers.
Rand0mH3r0X4 votes[AP] assassins have [a] delayed burst [of damage]
Diana and Akali both can utilize items to deal massive amounts of damage to feel more akin to a 1 shot. Diana and Akali are both examples of easy counter-play champions as well.
Succubús GF1 votesThose are divers btw
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesAka Changing the box to say "New and Improved Formula!" but you actually just get .2oz less of product than before.
Succubús GF1 votesAKA One doesn't have escapes and the other does.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesSquare-Rectangle
Succubús GF1 votesThey play different roles Triangle-Accent Circonflexe
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesYou're withholding information in your head right now. Recall the original two I'm talking about. Akali and Diana were both once junglers, played top lane, and played mid-lane.
"hat" does not fit the elementary definition of a triangle.
Succubús GF2 votesYou aren't grasping the difference Diana is a diver. Others in her class : Vi, Nocturne. Noc can burst extremely easily, but he is not an assassin, he is a diver. Do you see the difference? Where they are played has no grounds. If vi support became viable shouldn't wouldn't become an enchanter.
Idk what you meant by "hat"
FTWolf10 votesKata still one shots your adc faster than any zed ever will though lol... Also has one of the highest winrates mid atm with an insanely high pickrate.
WolfChases6 votesPretty much every single assassin can kill you faster than Zed if hes not overfed just due to the nature of his ult, but all those who can kill you faster do not have the mobility or ranged poke as Zed. Rengar will kill you way faster than Zed but he has to kill you or hes dead, if Zed messes up, he can press R again and go back to poke at least, Rengar cant do anything without hard engage.
RavenMagus5 votesZed doesn't even really need his ult anymore, it's just a gapcloser.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen someone 'outplay' his ult with Zhonya's, and then just die instantly to Q-E-auto afterwards anyways.
WolfChases4 votesExactly, his kit is forgiving, thats why Zed is hard to balance. If they gut his damage across the board hell be garbage, if they gut his mobility hell be garbage as well. I would straight forward nerf his Q and E damage and give him bonus damage on Q and E when he ults so he will be ult reliant as every other assassin. Rengar is nothing without his ultimate, Evelyn, Nocturne, Katarina, Talon, etc. while Zed deals as much damage with WEQ. With the change I suggested Zed would be viable, healthy to play with and still be equally strong with his ultimate, he will just be forced to think about his ultimate and not threat it just as a regular gapcloser.
Barkley15 votesNot sure its adc's that need the attention as much as it is the items they build. Especially during laning phase.
The second someone builds lethality, they go from doing 10-15% of your health in a trade to doing 50-60% of your health in trade, all for what...1100 gold?
Compare that to when a laner picks up a BF sword. You go from doing 10-15% to doing 25-30% in a quick trade. For MORE gold.
And yeah, ok, lethality falls off once the armor items come through, sure. But by then, the champ is 3-0, 4-0 and has the money to stack lethality (Which for some reason also means cooldown reduction? Why?) Which makes the armor less valuable, and honestly it doesnt matter because anyone who builds lethality isn't going to be trying to attack the front line tanks and bruisers anyway. They're gonna be trying to one-shot the squishies. So armor is a non-factor.
So lets say the adc didn't build lethality, they went with a different build entirely. The two popular ones right now are guinsoo's/BORK/runaan's and IE/RFC/Shiv.
Crit has been broken for quite some time now, putting up numbers that would kill a champion even through 200+ armor in 2-3 autos. Crit chance needs to be capped somewhere between 60-85%. 100% crit should not be a thing. Especially when the items that give you 100% crit synergize so well with each other. If you're going to get 100% crit, there should be a drawback, and there currently isn't. Especially if you're Yasuo.
Guinsoo's/Bork takes a while to scale up, and is probably the most "balanced" of all the adc builds, because it provides a meaningful window of counterplay. Regardless, once the build is complete, you don't even have to fully stack the Guinsoo's before you're 1-2 shotting everyone. Add Runaan's into the mix for the AoE damage, and you've got a pretty cancerous situation on your hands where you HAVE to focus down a single member of the team fight, or you all die. Heaven forbid there's another competent member on the team that also needs attention.
With the current build paths for adc's and the ludicrous damage they put out, you often find yourself in the situation where "If we focus the adc, this other champion kills us all, but if we focus that champion, the adc kills us all." and you have no viable strategy to win a fight. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Add a couple champs with shields, heals, or peel, and it quickly turns into a situation where there's just no good option, and you lose the game. As it stands right now, the game is a ticking timebomb for which ADC can get fed first. Whoever has the fed ADC wins the game, period. There's no meaningful way to catch up. There's no meaningful way to come back.
Tik1154 voteslets also not forget now a good chunk of the current ADCs are using duskblade which despite designed as an assassin item it has no penalties when used by a range champion outside of not having that micro-slow
ModWulf Helhammer10 votesi can with all likely hood say that we the vast bulk of the player base are completely fed up with it
No you can't. Hell, even the boards isn't decided on a stance, and were minuscule.
yes burst its no longer dps its burst damage
No it isn't. Just stop with the lies people, it just makes you look immature and whiny.
Gives No Lux15 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZelvoE65,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-08T21:28:11.583+0000)
No it isn't. Just stop with the lies people, it just makes you look immature and whiny.
Actually, it kind of is. 3 item trist doing 1400 + shiv lightning in under 1 second is pretty much the definition of burst.
DuskDaUmbreon7 votesShe's literally not doing that much damage, though. Unless you're a goddamned level 1 Orianna.
Gives No Lux8 votesShe jumps over a wall tosses a bomb on her way down. A second after she's landed she's hit you with 4 AAs at least 3 of which are crits with 80%. Be conservative and say 300 damage per AA, that's 1200, couple hundred more for bomb and throw shiv on top. Easily one-shot.
Disembark8 votesLiterally physically impossible to AA 4 times in 1 second considering atk speed cap is 2.5/sec. Also lethal tempo has a 1.5sec activation time
Conservative = 300/aa?
Ok, Trist has some of the LOWEST base AD AND base attack speed in the game. At 3 items, assuming IE + double zeal she might have about 90 base (lvl 11) + 70 from IE = 160 ad.
Meaning a 250% crit will do 380 damage NOT EVEN CONSIDERING armor or tabis or randuins.
Let’s assume you’re a level 13 Syndra, you will have about 60 base armor (25 + 3.4/lvl) which means about 35% damage reduction (BASE). Now if we average crit damage.
380 * .8 * .65 = 197 damage per auto. Your “conservative estimate” was 300/auto, and people believed you. Her bomb is A LOT of her damage.
3 item Trist. Even with Q will not hit max attack speed.
RocketRelm1 votesFor reference, I just went into practice mode and did tests. Standard 3 item Lvl 13 Tristana builds typically do about 550-660 DPS over the first 3 seconds. However, do note that this is against test dummies with 100 Armor / 100 Magic Resist, and with minimal aid from the typical masteries.
https://imgur.com/a/iKSit (Reference Pictures)
Gives No Lux2 votesWhich is doubled for a champ with 50 armor and most squishies might barely have that by the time she's 3 item.
Mimr2 votes[{quoted}](name=Gives No Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZelvoE65,comment-id=0004000100020000,timestamp=2017-12-09T05:52:13.219+0000)
Which is doubled for a champ with 50 armor and most squishies might barely have that by the time she's 3 item.
It would be doubled for a champ with 0 armor, not 50. With 50 armor you reduce ~30% of physical damage, so compared to hitting something with 100 armor (which reduces ohysical damage taken by 50%) you'd do approximately 140% damage to someone with 50.
DuskDaUmbreon10 votesi can with all likely hood say that we the vast bulk of the player base are completely fed up with it
The boards are about 0.1% of the playerbase. Only a fraction of those people comment. And the split is about half and half.
And it's a proven fact that most people post when they're upset about something, not when they're okay with something.
DarkRooster2 votesHave you ever heard of statistics ? I mean you have to be at least in middle school ? Have you been to middle school ?
DuskDaUmbreon14 votes...
Okay. So first you start by asking me if I knew about something I was already talking about.
Then you continue by insulting me?
DarkRooster1 votesYou could just said no. Retake the subject, you don't have full understanding of it. Then you will get it why your statements are false. Especially learn the part of how most statistics are made and how they work.
I guess you been to middle school, mistakes happen, no one can possibly know everything.
Ackelope13 votesI've got a genius plan. Rather than consistently insulting a person and telling them they don't know anything, why not do something about it and try to educate them if you know so much more about it and happen to be in a convenient place to convey it anyway?
DarkRooster1 votesWhere did i insult him ?
Disembark16 votesOk someone here is still IN middle school and I don’t think it’s the first guy.
JustSaiyan692 votesYeah those aren't the actual statistics at all.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesThey may not be them exactly, but they're pretty fucking close. Next to nobody from the game uses the boards. .1% or 1%, the point remains: It's a minority of people that are automatically inclined towards negative opinions.
Scary Door7 votesI wonder if half of the people that complain about ADCs have actually played the role consistently and, if so, would love to see their winning percentages.
There may be a few current outliers in terms of power, it's not like ADCs are universally at the top of the winning percentage charts.
As of the time of this writing we have Kalista, Lucian, Varus, Xayah, Caitlyn, Ashe, Trist, Jhin and Draven all under 50% (albeit Draven, Jhin, Trist and Ashe are at 49.8, 49.7, 49.7 and 49.6 respectively). The only real standouts right now in terms of win-rate are Miss Fortune (53.2%), Sivir (52.1%) although she has a much lower pickrate and Ezreal (51.6%).
I know it's an unpopular sentiment to go against the hive mentality that "ADCs are broken blah blah blah nerf", but excluding a couple of exceptions, I don't really see any ADC that's over the top at this point.
Cherokeepimp5 votesHave always agreed with this, in every feedback they haver offered I give, I always mention that I don't understand why they base the most damage in this game around the least skilled attack in this game. Somehow point clicking people they want to do the most damage isntead of pressing buttons. Never made sense.
Disembark6 votesIf you really think it’s that easy to play ADC you probably haven’t played most ADCs before.
Maximizing DPS without getting blown up (because your still squishy as fuck, and the higher up you go, the more people will instantly pounce on an ADC that gets hit by 1 stray CC).
JustSaiyan694 votesAs an adc main, from my experience it's still the same old thing, except now we snowball so fucking hard. I can get to my late game in 20 minutes now and its absolutely insane. All i need is some half assed peel and I can shred teams.
Spank the Fox6 votesAnd yet, still lose at draft because your team failed to pick a tank.
ADCs also have the least agency for most of the game.
AR URF4 votesThey literally buffed 
to deal with ADCs. And yes building randuins makes a HUGE difference. -20% from crit attacks. Tabi -8%? Thornmail, more armor and relection damage.
Death by Glamour8 votesNo they changed thornmail to reduce life steal rather than actually dealing with the issue they put a band aid on it.
Its all very good to say get all these armour items when the adc can just a lord dominics and litterally nulify a vast chunk of your gold spent.
AirKingNeo3 voteswhat adc's damage? I don't see Varus or Ashe bursting people with autos.
No, I see Tristana, Xayah, Kog'maw, and Twitch doing that.
Death by Glamour7 votesRight clickers are right clickers they all do the damage some are just better at doing it currently
AirKingNeo3 votesSo why should Ashe and Varus be nerfed?
Ackelope5 votesVarus isn't a right-clicker, Ezreal isn't a right-clicker, Lucian isn't a right-clicker. If you're defining them by the fact that they auto attack for most of their damage, there are a lot of cases where that either simply isn't true, or it's reliant on the weaving/mixing of both auto attacks and abilities into one
Spank the Fox6 votesYeah QWER4lyfe amirite lmao!
For example, Zoe is a pretty hard, fair, balanced champion because she doesn’t have brainless right clicking and all her damage are skillshots
Fuck yeah, skill! Down with right clicks, WOOOO
