A note to adcs

Death by Glamour·Feb 2, 2017·49 votes·2,487 views

If you are against 3 tanks

maybe get a last whisper instead of your 3rd crit item

trust me your team will thank you for it

from a salty support

64 Comments

Ariel the CruelFeb 2, 201717 votes

Aatrox They're too tanky. Volibear I can't kill them. AurelionSol We need shred. Vayne Don't worry. I'll take care of it! . . . . . . . . . Vayne (>_>) Janna Fine. I'll do that too. item 3123 item 3071 item 3190 item 2049 item 3222 item 3107

Vayne Told you I'd take care of it. :)

EDIT: 5 minutes later.

Aatrox Janna, why don't you have any AP? Janna . . .

[ ALLIED DECAKILL!? ]

Supreme Senpai69Feb 3, 20171 votes

You're joking but you've no idea how many EC's I've had to buy as Janna

Ariel the CruelFeb 3, 20171 votes

The joke stems from experience.

The Yetii RiderFeb 3, 20172 votes

God why is this just every one of my games?

MogarlFeb 3, 20178 votes

I bought item 3123 on Leona once. it was amazing how we suddenly started winning all the teamfights. Riot should just add a support item that builds from .

Death by GlamourFeb 3, 20173 votes

I'm gonna start building it it soraka matches.

SkorchFeb 3, 20171 votes

That might be a hard thing to do, Supports usually dont do too much damage "at least for most metas" meaning the item would either be an active or proc off any damage at all, and if its the latter it might be abused by non supports.

MogarlFeb 3, 20171 votes

Yeah, I thought about this. In the end the item would likely only be bought for the grievous wounds and offer little else. Something Riot's unlikely to do when they aren't sure whether they still want the band-aid in the game.

AptestFeb 3, 20171 votes

Zyra you want to run that by me again?

RalanrFeb 3, 20176 votes

This is why I want an AD support. So they can build the shit the adc refuses to build.

NvestmentPlankerFeb 3, 20174 votes

i shit you not i have built Mortal Reminder on Bard before because my team refuse to get grevious wounds against a Mundo.

RalanrFeb 3, 20171 votes

I had to build it on Sion for the exact same reason.

Glory ln DeathFeb 3, 20172 votes

It's not a terrible build for Sion against the right enemy comp. He's got lots of AOE physical damage to utilize it.

SpoofghoulFeb 3, 20171 votes

well lot's. . .

thats a bit of an overstatement

yea if you can land your fully charged q all the time

but yea everyone and their grandmother has piles of % movespeed in their items in addition to an excess of mobility spells so good luck with that

it's mostly a zoning tool tbh

Glory ln DeathFeb 3, 20172 votes

If by "fully charged Q" you mean "0.5 second charged Q" then, yes, you are correct. His Q is physical damage no matter how long he charges it, so it will always apply grievous wounds with Executioner's Calling.

"Zoning tool". Hah! That's rich. It is not hard to hit Sion's Q at all if you play him a decent amount. You just have to learn how to time it - don't get greedy and hold it too long to get the knock-up, don't snap-cast it if they aren't directly in front of you, let them cancel it if you don't have a great shot at it (it gets reset to a 2 second cooldown, so they usually can't cancel it the second time), predict when champions will try to dash out and knock them up mid-dash, learn to estimate their hitbox (you can often hit people when they appear to be outside the range). Use your E to prep them for Q. Get your team to scare them into Zhonyas. Etc.

SpoofghoulFeb 4, 20171 votes

oh i wasn't at all talking about applying grievous wounds, more about how his physical damage isn't that big of a deal

i was pointing out that he does not deal as much physical damage as you are saying, if you want to deal more physical damage there are better items like titanic hydra which works well with mortal reminder

it's not too hard to land his Q, however a fully charged Q well that isn't always happening and that is where the damage is

and that is also why item 3033 isn't the best buy for Sion because it only really offers damage, and ofc grievous wounds which would be the main reason to grab it

it is funny though having a tank body block your 1k damage ult and then being hit with a 700 damage Q which would normally not be an issue since they have armor but now you suddenly chunk them hard ^^ bonus points for raping tanks with your passive ^^

Anyway it isn't the best item for sion as it only really helps fight tanks, though it isn't the worst buy either

But sometimes grievous wounds is necessary and in such a case it is be worth taking

alternatively Sion is one of the few tanks who can combine item 3165 & item 3075 & item 3068 he can make use out of the AP even tough he has poor ratio's but what makes it work on Sion is his access to hp through farm, for most tanks this would be too big a hit to their hp pool but not for Sion. The CDR is very nice and the mana is always welcome Works really well, anyone near you gets grievous wounds as well as anyone who basic attacks you, provided they ever get below 35% hp.

Glory ln DeathFeb 4, 20171 votes

Yeah, I would normally never get Executioner's Calling or Mortal Reminder on Sion unless their team was pretty heavy into healing.

When I said "lots of physical damage" before, I was referring more to "lots of ways to apply physical damage" in an AOE, not that he usually deals tons of damage. With ult, Q, and Titanic Hydra, he can usually keep Grievous Wounds applied to the entire enemy team pretty easily in the games he needs to get it. Even without Titanic Hydra, his Q is on a short enough cooldown at max rank and cdr that he can permanently keep the enemy team Grievously Wounded.

That is definitely an interesting item combination. Morello's can be really strong on Sion as a first item if you max E first (I normally wouldn't get it outside of midlane, though), so that could be a pretty decent build to start out with damage and transition into tank.

AptestFeb 4, 20171 votes

Have you tried the magic of item 3022 on bard?

Ariel the CruelFeb 3, 20171 votes

I bought it on Shen once (pre-spirit sword). Suddenly, I was the only one able to actually kill Mundo and Vlad.

Considering enemy team also had a soraka, and we only had 1 source of magic damage; I couldn't believe I was the only one to build it.

ValeckseraiFeb 2, 201711 votes

I've had a Miss Fortune tell me to build Lord Dominiks instead of her so that the rest of the team would have the armor pen to take care of tanks and she could still go for a full as crit build. I was playing Tahm Kench...

bbQsauçeFeb 2, 201710 votes

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ValeckseraiFeb 2, 20179 votes

I know, that's the point. She was an idiot.

nice tableFeb 2, 20178 votes

enemy teams caitlyn with no LW at 37 minutes - crying about tank meta in all chat hue

Death by GlamourFeb 2, 20171 votes

Basically what happened to me.

Usually I end up just abandoning adcs like that but with 3 tanks we needed her alive.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 3, 20171 votes

Unless it's a meta powerhouse most current ADC's are kinda bad against Tanks all the way until the lategame, the need for items is too great <.<

cuddlykitten4Feb 2, 20177 votes

Also a note to ADCs.....quit denying me cannon cs on my relic shield :(

AckelopeFeb 3, 20176 votes

If you're Thresh , make sure you actually get it consistently...

Death by GlamourFeb 3, 20173 votes

This... good God it is annoying.

Especially when your midlaner sees you coming and proceeds to blow every single cd on minions because they think your gonna steal farm.

Glory ln DeathFeb 3, 20171 votes

You know what's really bad? Playing Sion and having Taliyah support insta-clear a triple minion wave with two cannons 5 feet in front of you. Goodbye, 50 bonus health...

It isn't the tank supports you have to worry about stealing farm - it's the mage supports.

Blue KaoziFeb 3, 20172 votes

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Also a note to ADCs.....quit denying me cannon cs on my relic shield :(

(Thresh specific) I've lost too many cannons due to a thresh not being able to CS. I'll give him 1, maybe 2 chances, after that he doesn't get to last hit anymore

cuddlykitten4Feb 7, 20171 votes

Yea, I agree that Thresh is a bit of a special case in this scenario. In the same respect, I have a rune page exclusively for Thresh that contains gold/sec runes so that I can afford to go after the lesser minions that I have better odds of last hitting so I don't accidentally screw my ADC over. I don't play him much, but I feel like it made a world of difference.

łnśaneFeb 3, 20173 votes

Mannn I never get adc's like that LOL They are usually pretty nice unless we're losing lane but even then they are silent and tilted. Only Draven players are toxic to me when I support :T

As for armor Pen they usually build that 3rd item xD

Sp33d Zer0Feb 3, 20172 votes

I mean, even in pro matches that I have been watching (admittedly, I don't watch a ton, so this may not be common) against 2 tank 1 bruiser or 3 tank teams, I still see the pro's going 3 crit before a LW.

I'm not saying the pro's know everything about the game, but I am assuming the know more about the damage out than a gold and a plat player.

Death by GlamourFeb 3, 20171 votes

Every game I've seen has the adc going flat pen or with ashe in a more supportive role.

The DreamwalkerFeb 3, 20171 votes

I know right. I'm an MF main, and any good MF goes for armor pen. first to get those penta kills and 2v1 wins.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 3, 20171 votes

Flat pen is absolutely shit against tanks.....

Death by GlamourFeb 3, 20172 votes

Think it's for the early spikes, in lcs

Was up a quins mod recently let me just tell you that it was very painful

DemainaNyxFeb 3, 20171 votes

Enemy team has Darius Vladimir Soraka . None of my AD teammates build a item 3123 . Why team? Why? You are all AD and I'm a Brand support with Morello's. Imagine what Mortal Reminder would do to this team.

Ugh.

Unless the enemy has LITERALLY no armor when you finish your second item, build LW. Believe me, it's good. I don't get it why it's so complicated.

TequilaZombieFeb 3, 20173 votes

Been in such a situation. Enemy team had a DrMundo Swain Warwick Jinx Soraka . My ADC refused to buy item 3123 , so I bought it with Gnar and just went full AD

RalanrFeb 3, 20171 votes

Faced a Fiora and a Warwick yesterday as Darius. Rushed that item and won lane pretty hard.

Lost because of late game teamfights though.

VasilisGreenFeb 3, 20172 votes

Well, late game AD Fiora doesn't care if you're a tank or not...

RalanrFeb 3, 20171 votes

Funnily enough it wasn't the Fiora that was the bigger issue. It was the enemy Caitlyn getting fed despite getting demolished in lane and my team's lack of coordination (and the two boots Shaco dcing).

TequilaZombieFeb 3, 20172 votes

Well, he has two feet, makes sense!

SerberFeb 3, 20171 votes

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RivuoFeb 3, 20173 votes

{quoted}

A note to adcs:

Don't complain about getting oneshot if you buy 6 offensive items.

A note to you.

Don't complain about your adc doing no damage if they build defensive.

SerberFeb 3, 20171 votes

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RivuoFeb 3, 20172 votes

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Yeah getting one or two defensive items is building defensive, right?

Pull your head out of your ass.

You have never played ADC if you think you can actually get a defensive item.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 3, 20171 votes

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You have never played ADC if you think you can actually get a defensive item.

We can still build item 3139 without losing too much damage!

Altho that doesn't help at all against Zed, talon, rengar, lee sin, kha 6 or well....anyone who doesn't rely on CCing to kill.

RivuoFeb 3, 20171 votes

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We can still build without losing too much damage!

Altho that doesn't help at all against Zed, talon, rengar, lee sin, kha 6 or well....anyone who doesn't rely on CCing to kill.

Where can you gather 3.7k like its nothing instaed of getting your crit chance or armor pen item.

By the time you get merc scimitar enemy team will have void staffs negating 35% of it + their magic pen from runes.

The only thing you get from that is badum tiss...

qss

ThefrostyvikingFeb 3, 20172 votes

And some AD, lifesteal and then the important active^^

Seriously that active is amazing and the lifesteal even if only 10% is still a world better than 0%.