Tristana was still able to focus me down and kill me within 5 seconds. I had randuins, thornmail, dead's man plate , ninja tabi and a giant belt She had ONLY A BOTRK as a lifesteal item, banshe, statikk, IE, LW and boots.
AtheosisX7 votesSo you think 
on a hypercarry shouldn't be able to melt you? Seriously? When a hyercarry has full build you must cc them and burst them down to deal with them. They will crush pretty much anyone otherwise.
DropFill3 votesSo you think
how do you burst someone like tristana who has a stupid high range, and two forms of disengage? lol
Critmaster Garen1 voteshow do you burst someone like tristana who has a stupid high range, and two forms of disengage? lol
with long ranged mages.
and then adc complain that they get bursted and the mages get nerfed.
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2015-09-16T14:25:31.003+0000)
with long ranged mages.
and then adc complain that they get bursted and the mages get nerfed.
Long range mages don't burst tristana with a banshe veil
Critmaster Garen1 votesLong range mages don't burst tristana with a banshe veil
most adc are too dumb to itemize. but yea, i know.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesYou're Olaf, your ult already gets you past one of those.
Rand0mH3r0X1 votesOne.
Sasogwa1 votesSo you think
I think this build shouldn't completely melt. If the guy has real balls, he should take
. (you can get BT instead of botrk actually, with all the crit u got)
That 100% crit build with both flat and % pen and a botrk, should be able to melt. And the ADC taking it has freaking steel balls and doesn't fear getting oneshot. Previous build was pussy as fuck.
:)
PS : bring on the %crit dmg runes if you really have balls
KookieKlepto6 votes6 item adc's shit on people. whats new? any other would do the same.
Sakura Mirage4 votesLast whisper and crits are pretty deadly tanks shouldn't be unkillable
Sinister Mars2 votesIt should take more than 5 seconds though, shouldn't it? What's the point of defensive itemization if IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HELP?
Epicusmaximo3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sinister Mars,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-09-16T13:01:30.190+0000)
It should take more than 5 seconds though, shouldn't it? What's the point of defensive itemization if IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HELP?
FIVE SECONDS is an absolute eternity against a full build ADC, Nerf OLAF imo.
Miraweave1 votesFIVE SECONDS is an absolute eternity against a full build ADC, Nerf OLAF imo.
^
An ADC lategame will usually output between 800 and 1300 raw damage per second depending on the champion and build. Surviving that for five seconds usually means you tanked between four thousand and seven thousand damage.
That's a fucking lot of damage.
Sasogwa4 votes[{quoted}](name=Janna Smurf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-16T12:58:17.680+0000)
Last whisper and crits are pretty deadly tanks shouldn't be unkillable
There's a margin between being unkillable and being mincemeat even if you have a full tank build.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Janna Smurf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-16T12:58:17.680+0000)
Last whisper and crits are pretty deadly tanks shouldn't be unkillable
if something kills tanks as quickly as in 5 seconds, then there are no tanks.
ImSoFull1 votesThere are champions who are um idk. TANK METLERS? Vayne Fiora Kogmaw? Malz even works.
Critmaster Garen1 votesThere are champions who are um idk. TANK METLERS? Vayne Fiora Kogmaw? Malz even works.
as long as something like that exists, there are no tanks.
wish people would realize that. if there are champions that can kill tanks almost as fast as squishies in every game (and adc certainly are in every game), there is no such thing as a tank.
ImSoFull1 votesSquishy champions die in less then 2seconds. Tanks last 10+sec vs anything besides some of the champions i listed. You need to understand that full tank doesn't allow you to tank the whole enemy team for 10 seconds lmfao. You say tank don't exist but. 
and that was at the top of my head. You complained about adc killing you but that's what they specialize in. DPS. You guys seem to think that tanks should be able to tank the entire enemy team for 30second while killing baron.
Joe Dredd3 votesShe had banshee for mr nerd
USG Failsawce2 votesSame thing happened to me, except I was playing Malphite vs Fiora.
I had something like Thornmail, Randuins, Sunfire, Ninja Tabis, and a Locket (b/c Akali was destroying my teammates) by this point.. upwards of 400 armor or more, (b/c Malph passive), and decent enough HP.
She went 0-6 in lane, lost her turret, several levels and a ton of CS behind.. Roamed for 2 kills, came back to lane, ulted me, and did over 2400 true dmg, killing me in roughly 5-6 seconds.
W T F
AtheosisX1 votesSame thing happened to me, except I was playing Malphite vs Fiora.
I had something like Thornmail, Randuins, Sunfire, Ninja Tabis, and a Locket (b/c Akali was destroying my teammates) by this point.. upwards of 400 armor or more, (b/c Malph passive), and decent enough HP.
She went 0-6 in lane, lost her turret, several levels and a ton of CS behind.. Roamed for 2 kills, came back to lane, ulted me, and did over 2400 true dmg, killing me in roughly 5-6 seconds.
W T F
Fiora has built in true damage...
USG Failsawce3 votesFiora has built in true damage...
Ya don't say.. phew. And here I thought she was hacking, or simply pulled it completely out of her ass.
The whole point was, the physical dmg didn't even register on the death recap, it was so low. There was literally nothing there but true dmg and death in under 6 seconds, on a champ that was so far ahead the Fiora should not EVER have been able to kill him 1v1, let alone THAT easily.
Use your brain please.
Lord of Vendetta1 votesthats too bad
honestly its probably mechanical skill at that point, olaf is one of those guys who have 4000 hp 320 armor and still should be able to deal very high damage while healing due to lifesteal. if you lose a 1v1 as olaf...
but your item choice is pretty bad
Fiveofswords3 voteslol give me an adc with 3000 gold lead on any olaf and ill win the 1v1 easy
Lord of Vendetta1 voteslol give me an adc with 3000 gold lead on any olaf and ill win the 1v1 easy
I doubt it. I lose to Olaf as fed akali and fed talon
Fiveofswords4 voteswell those arent adc...those are assasins. kog maw will poop all over olaf 1v1 late game, even if their items are comparable. akali and talon are both burst...tankiness coutners burst. adc focus on sustained damage.
Lord of Vendetta1 voteswell those arent adc...those are assasins. kog maw will poop all over olaf 1v1 late game, even if their items are comparable. akali and talon are both burst...tankiness coutners burst. adc focus on sustained damage.
adc suck at dueling, talon and akali has far better dueling skills
and their sustained isn't that bad
talon is ad so he can autoattack akali has e 1 sec cd and spellvamp
and no. a olaf with the same items as a kogmaw will win (unless its a ap build). olaf has true damage extra lifesteal extra atk spd bonus ad bonus resistances
AtheosisX4 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Vendetta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-16T13:35:40.223+0000)
adc suck at dueling, talon and akali has far better dueling skills
and their sustained isn't that bad
talon is ad so he can autoattack akali has e 1 sec cd and spellvamp
and no. a olaf with the same items as a kogmaw will win
At full build adcs do not suck at dueling.
Lord of Vendetta1 votesAt full build adcs do not suck at dueling.
uh, yeah they do. if you gave any other champ like olaf or riven for example the same build as that adc, he'd duel 10x better
AtheosisX3 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Vendetta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-16T13:40:19.606+0000)
uh, yeah they do. if you gave any other champ like olaf or riven for example the same build as that adc, he'd duel 10x better
If you gave Olaf the ADCs build he would be dead before he could get close to them. And really, good ADC players win most duels against non-assassins with full build, especially on hypercarries. I don't know what game you are playing.
Fiveofswords1 votesdude. try it. give a kog maw triforce, bloodthirster, last whisper, wits end (i know thats a strange item, but i like it on kog, especially for anti tank stuff), berseker greaves, and steraks gage. build olaf however you want, i dont care. then see how the duel goes. Do not move the kog maw, let him jsut sit, press w, and autoattack. see how fast olaf dies.
Lord of Vendetta1 votesdude. try it. give a kog maw triforce, bloodthirster, last whisper, wits end (i know thats a strange item, but i like it on kog, especially for anti tank stuff), berseker greaves, and steraks gage. build olaf however you want, i dont care. then see how the duel goes. Do not move the kog maw, let him jsut sit, press w, and autoattack. see how fast olaf dies.
okay. give olaf whatever build. don't move olaf either. just let him sit there, press w and r and autoattack. see how fast kogmaw dies.
its because olaf has both tanky and damage by building the same things another champ would build for just one of the above
I once was playing Akali and I had 50% spellvamp. And I just dueled olaf and olaf won even though I was way fed. Olaf pretty much beats everyone in a duel. I'd say he's the #1 best duelist in the game
Ziovi2 votesi don't know... it seems your concept of duelling is "they both stand still in front of each other while hitting as hard as they can"... in that case, olaf would win... but kog is ranged and he just need to kite a bit and you will be dead before reaching him, if he is full build.
Lord of Vendetta1 votesi don't know... it seems your concept of duelling is "they both stand still in front of each other while hitting as hard as they can"...
that has been the definition of dueling even from the time of the knights, samurai, whatever. i think warriors in every medieval culture dueled this way to preserve their honor. being able to kite from afar is seen as dishonorable during a duel, bows and arrows were used in battle but not dueling
Miraweave1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Vendetta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=000800000000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-16T15:15:08.014+0000)
that has been the definition of dueling even from the time of the knights, samurai, whatever. i think warriors in every medieval culture dueled this way to preserve their honor. being able to kite from afar is seen as dishonorable during a duel, bows and arrows were used in battle but not dueling
"beginning in the late 18th century in England, duels were more commonly fought using pistols"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel
Sit down son.
Lord of Vendetta1 votes[{quoted}](name=ME AM SMART,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=0008000000000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-19T04:44:12.384+0000)
"beginning in the late 18th century in England, duels were more commonly fought using pistols"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel
Sit down son.
i know knights and samurai and both of those thought that usage of ranged weapons in battle is OK but usage of ranged weapons in duels was dishonorable
Fiveofswords1 votesdont agree with this, in the very late game kog maw does not need to kite he jsut stright wins by sitting there attacking, he will get one free hit in because range but that isnt even important. kog maw CANT kite. hes a very slow champ has no dash or anything. he doesnt need to when he can just kill
the math is pretty simple here. so olaf has like 2 or 3 times kogs life, and like 3 times his armor. meanwhile kog does about 8 times more damage per second thatn olaf, ignoring half his armor, and probably about 1/3rd of it in magic damage (%max health magic damage) and has lifesteal. yeah kog just wins...dont need to kite anything.
RyzeRework1 votesi don't know... it seems your concept of duelling is "they both stand still in front of each other while hitting as hard as they can"... in that case, olaf would win... but kog is ranged and he just need to kite a bit and you will be dead before reaching him, if he is full build.
Lol you can't kite olaf that's the point he can't be cced or slow he has a built in slow and he has movement speed burst so unless you have like flash ghost with the distortion enchant you won't even be able to walk lol
ImSoFull1 votesUmm glass cannon Olaf will legit die in 3-5shots. And Akali an Talon have better dueling skills becuase.. they are umm? And assassin rofl. That's what most of them specialize in. What an assassin who can't do? It's like a tank who's squishy or an adc that build ap. Btw Adc don't suck at dueling my friend.
Lord of Vendetta1 votesUmm glass cannon Olaf will legit die in 3-5shots. And Akali an Talon have better dueling skills becuase.. they are umm? And assassin rofl. That's what most of them specialize in. What an assassin who can't do? It's like a tank who's squishy or an adc that build ap. Btw Adc don't suck at dueling my friend.
glass cannon olaf can outduel a glass cannon almost everything except mordekaiser poppy kayle or trynd in a 1v1 fight assuming they have equal chances
ImSoFull2 votes90% of adc if not all can kill him before he even reaches them. Assuming he's Glass cannon ofc.
Miraweave1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Vendetta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=0008000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2015-09-17T23:35:50.062+0000)
glass cannon olaf can outduel a glass cannon almost everything except mordekaiser poppy kayle or trynd in a 1v1 fight assuming they have equal chances
Or anything with burst. I'd like to see an olaf with only damage items beat a LeBlanc, Zed, Syndra, Diana, Kat, Annie, etc who also has full build.
RyzeRework1 votesUmm glass cannon Olaf will legit die in 3-5shots. And Akali an Talon have better dueling skills becuase.. they are umm? And assassin rofl. That's what most of them specialize in. What an assassin who can't do? It's like a tank who's squishy or an adc that build ap. Btw Adc don't suck at dueling my friend.
Glass cannon olaf builds blackcleaver either btork or hydra then full tank lolol
ImSoFull1 votesThen that's not glass cannon rofl. Learn what glass cannon means. 2 offensive items into 3-4 defensive item is still tank/bruiser.
RyzeRework1 votesIt was a joke that's what he needs to do tons of damange
GastonBarnacles1 votesI don't know what you guys are talking about. You must be looking at olafs with 3 dmg items. I build hydra and tank. That's enough dmg to fuck their adc. Especially adcs like ashe, vayne (ult ignores knockback, that's why I can), kogmaw.
ImSoFull1 votesVayne dumpsters on Olaf... Atleast a decent one. She should be able to dodge every single on of his q. Kite him long enough with her ult passive bork and Ghostblade until his ult wears off and then proceed to stun him if he's not already dead.
AtheosisX3 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord of Vendetta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ynRm7c1d,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-09-16T13:24:11.351+0000)
I doubt it. I lose to Olaf as fed akali and fed talon
One of these things is not like the other...
GastonBarnacles1 votesAlso you're level 20, so just letting you know bruisers and tanks counter assassins. It would be unfair if assassins could delete squishies and then 1v1 tanks and bruisers. That would be a problem.
Onegarion1 votesThats an extra bit of info that wasn't included in the beginning. Either way its still a build that would crush any tank with that much HP and armor. Then you add in the crit that she is getting.