Seriously, sejuani is once again a worse amumu because you nerfed the hell out of her because of cinderhulk. Then you nerf the item, and doesn't do anything about her? Are you guys even serious? Same thing you did with bottom lane adc's. You nerfed every single one to the point where I only see 3 adc's : Tristana, Kalista and Vayne.
KONO RUBICK DA54 votes
never forgetting nerfing every spells in a champion because they can't nerf his ulti
Ancestor0076 votesMy favourite quote: "There's no aspect of Kassadin's kit that wasn't nerfed because of his mobility. Even his mobility"
Dalthine27 votesI'm actually even more annoyed by this action on their part because they joke about it.
A patch or two ago, they gave Nocturne 500 range back on his ult with the description, "To everyone who says we never revert nerfs, this one's for you," or something similarly insulting.
Meanwhile anyone who had very good synergy with a nerfed item stays dumpstered from double nerfs.
TenSlashTen5 votesyeah riots a bunch of cynical bastards now a days.
It's pathetic what their balance/champion design team has become
TheXtractor18 votes
never forget nerfing a champion because riot was stupid enough to make black cleaver stackable. And then nerf and completely change black cleaver. Yet talon is still nerfed as hell \o/
DropFill36 votes
Talon burst is pretty difficult to be stopped. His lack of counterplay when it comes to bursting you is the problem, if he was buffed he would be in every game
Melledoneus6 votesExcept he has one of the weakest laning phases, and it takes a lot of skill/luck to kill someone in this mobility creep to get gold.
Not to mention champions "weak" to Talon always harass, outpush, outfarm, and kill him in lane. His E offers no utility outside a very mediocre slow, and his Q mechanics are so clunky. His auto attack is so damn slow it feels like I'm playing Maokai, and I have to get in melee range to farm because W is so unreliable in terms of damage and its extremely high mana cost. Zed has a faster auto/more damage to farm, and he is more centralized around his shadow mechanics.
Why should I have to whittle down my lane opponent over several levels to get a kill when Ekko can press R to outburst me in every trade?
EDIT: Nice to see the community is open to criticism about game mechanics.
Auryiel27 votesMelledoneus5 votesAuryiel18 votesTalon is super badly designed and there's nothing you can do against him if he's ahead aside from using Zhonya's if you're a mage.
He just clicks on you and deals damage. There's nothing to dodge. And before you say you can dodge his W : if that's possible, the Talon player is just hella bad.
Talon doesn't need buffs, he needs a rework.
C9 Gloomy4 votesbut tbh talon is just a squishier worst version of rengar
Troll for Trump3 votesOh that sounds like every assassin in the game.
for example
Auryiel3 votesKat has no burst to speak of when compared to other assassins, most of her damage is tied to her ult
Akali's up there in worst kits ever to plague LoL
Fizz has to hit his Shark to deal significant burst, but yeah, he's pretty bad too
However, unlike those 3, Talon's whole combo can be unloaded in roughly a second. The only reason you can even somewhat respond to it is the removal of his silence and even then... It's bad. When Fizz's shark gets attached to you, you have 3 seconds to take actions to minimize his all-in. Akali has to hit you for a couple of seconds to kill you. You can walk out of Kat's main damaging tool and more than half the champions in the game can stop it.
A Miss Fortune7 votesTalon is pretty balanced in my opinion. He's what most assassins should be. High risk, high reward. He can carry games insanely well but he's also not immortal. Not these assassins with 500 dashes and still can 100-0 anybody no matter how much they fed.
My Waifu Vanilla4 votesTalon offers nothing if he loses lane though and there is no real mechanical challenge like other assassins such as zed who even if he is 1/3 can probably still burst someone out of position. Talon can only do that if he wins lane (which won't happen since he has terrible match ups and will be forced to sit under tower like a coward since he lacks any sort of wave clear until like THREE items).
A Miss Fortune3 votesThat's the point of an assassin, they NEED to get ahead. If they get ahead, they should be able to blow up a squishy, if they can't get ahead they shouldn't be able to.
Right now Zed for example can feed all he wants to, but he'll still be able to 100-0 pretty much any ADC without insane self peel and even then It's difficult with his high mobility.
Handin Out Naps5 votes"Zed can feed all he wants to, but he'll still be able to 100-0 pretty much any adc withough insane self peel"..................What the actual fuck? Zed is the last champion to 100 to 0 any adc, HE NEEDS HIS DEATH MARK POP TO KILL PEOPLE UNLESS HE IS INSANELY FED. And his death mark is the easiest thing on the game to remove, pls dont talk about zed being a reliable pick, EVER. He is the opposite of a reliable pick, he is the only assassin that can be countered so easily. If zed loses lane, he is already useless. Do you even know anything about zed?
Joquan3 votesdon't bother with ZED qq'ers bro
Auz the Ripper4 votesZed is reliable not because of his burst, but because of how incredibly easy it is the farm with him at all stages of the game and because of the mild difficulty in locking him down
A Miss Fortune2 votesZed can kill most squishy champions no matter what due to his ultimate. He has a lot of burst with his abilities but it also gives him sustained damage as well and his ultimate actually encourages for sustained damage. I wouldn't really call Zed unreliable either. If you want to see what an unreliable mid laner looks like, look at Zyra her entire kit besides her plants are skill shots with really large delays. Zed isn't like that, and it isn't that hard to get ahead and do well with him unlike Zyra, where any competent opponent can just right click out of every single ability you ever due to their delays.
Lupxel8 votesBecause only broken champs like 
can have her W spell speed reverted (not all, but still) ~~ for no reason at all~~, "because they went to far". Because high damage, with lots of safety, with lots of mobility, with 2 point and click burst, and a easy-to-land W, are unbanlanced, "requires skill".
I'd change 
for 
, at least in my elo. I see a or a
in 100% of my games.
I never has a fan of 
, but I think she needs to have her nerfs reverted.
Anyway, don't worry. Riot will eventually revert the changes they made. Look at 
, they did reverted the changes after 3(?) years, so wait; it will be soon
Pale Pirate3 votes 43% win rate. Figure the rest out.
Auz the Ripper8 votesThey revert nerfs all the time Why they just reverted that nerf to Nocturne's ult just last patch It only took a little over three years
Norr1N6 votes
I agree. Restore my power and I shall.. have a word with bot lane. >:]
Edit: Never said he couldn't already, was more a playful response to op's beef with botlane, a favor for a favor basically xp. Kill bot, get ult nerf reverted to help with being useful in late game teamfights where getting caught out for .5s = CC/counterbursted without any form of defense/invisibility/etc. = dead. Kneejerk downvotes op. No fun.
Would settle for a change to the delay from .5s at all ranks to 1/.5/0s at respective ranks tbh which would limit his early snowball potential till the enemy gets Zhonya's/QSS late anyway.
Sakura Mirage16 votes
He can still have a word with bot lane the only thing the nerf effected was ability to do a thing in a team fight.
Trias0002 votesI saw a Zed jump into 5 people alone, burst down Twisted Fate in a second, then teleport back safely. Yes, it was our fault to let him do so without ccing him, and TF even had Zhonya that he forgot to use, but still, this wasn't even a teamfight. So he surealy can do a lot if the enemies are occupied with fighting his teammates.
AbrahamBaconham11 votesGood for him then. He's an assassin, that exactly what he's supposed to do. If you don't stop him, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to kill one of your squishies.
DropFill2 votesGood for him then. He's an assassin, that exactly what he's supposed to do. If you don't stop him, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to kill one of your squishies.
There's no problem with Talon killing squishies or not Problem is the same as annie : If he is in range to press E on you, you are either dead or very low
blueberrypancake2 votesAnnie's E range is being AA
I think you mean R
Jason the other1 votesthat would be a bad idea. Zed suppose to be an outplay assasin, not a safe assasin (like kassedin) or a utility assasin (like ekko) the purpose of the 0.5 delay is to make it harder to play him thus increasing his outplaying feeling while makeing him still counter able.
Norr1N2 votesA lot of the time, a Zed may choose to intentionally ult an opponent to dodge an attack, and then quickly recast to switch back whilst blowing his ult cooldown in exchange, now it's kind of pointless since it basically equates to flashing into them instead. This directly effects his outplay potential since he just lost a vital tactic/means of doing so.
Casting speed was his main tool tbh (as most outplay vids on yt will attest to), since every other assassin came with things like hard CC, shields, stealth, innate sustain, resets, or other form of utility/range which he has none of in return for pure offense/shadow play - which was too hard to follow for players so lets nerf the speed/cast times AND throw in delays cuz fk it (as well as nerfing his splitpush so he becomes even less useful past laning). This despite him probably being the assassin with the easiest means of shutting down/countering from Zhonyas/QSS/Exhaust/FaceoftheMountain/Mikaels/Heal/etc. - most of which have seen buffs to affordability and being part of most builds anyway, as well as plenty of picks with the ever more present invulnerability shtick, to plain old tank/ADC-favoring meta (with even AP's given better itemisation), or just having any form of CC assuming you haven't just grouped to siege. He was already weak late, hence at least restoring it to 0s at rank 3 shouldn't be that big a deal. I mean, most of the time they nerf a champion it's to their early game with their damage/stats restored by lvl 16 (or even buffed to emphasise their strengths), why not Zed then? Meh.
It's like what if you put a 0.5s delay on Leblanc's Distortion since she has the advantage of range and being able to cast it more as a regular ability? Watch people go apeshit over that.
Dextix LT6 votesWhy? Because its riots "balance" team.
Jason the other1 votesits called balanced unbalance
Fadedpf4 votesWell I can tell you that I dont want the Q nerf from Graves reverted.
DropFill6 votesWell I can tell you that I dont want the Q nerf from Graves reverted.
Why? Graves only deals physical damage, is short ranged, his dash range is also very short. He is one of the most balanced adc's when strong. Vayne on the other hand...
Anidan2 votesDue to his high early burst and lane bully prowess, some people would dispute the claim that he's among the most balanced ADCs when strong.
I mean, I agree that he is fairly balanced when he's strong, but still. The man has his time to shine, and he falls off appropriately. I like Graves for that reason. I also love playing him in general, weak or strong. He's well-designed.
Taarki16 votesSo graves can have his time to shine and then fall off, but he can't have a gosh darn CIGAR!
Troll for Trump2 votesI want the Cigar nerf reverted so I don't hear the joke over and over again.
Fiveofswords2 votessejuni has nothing in common with amumu, and you are simply wrong about other adc being bad.
DropFill12 votessejuni has nothing in common with amumu, and you are simply wrong about other adc being bad.
Passive - They both have VERY different passives, but that's the only thing. I prefer Amumu ones, Sejuani doesn't get much tankiness from hers at tall Q - Engaging tool on both W - Health damage on both E - Spammable AoE ability, happens sejuani has a CC to it R - AoE CC, sejuani one can be used from a greater distance, but has a lower AoE .
Joquan2 votesI would say that's justified that sejuani is weaker than amumu because of the fact she is safer to use due to being able to use her mobility easier than amumu's
Timewinder2 votesKatarina is literally unplayable now in Gold+ because of all her nerfs.
Literally if they have any cc and tankiness she is dead.
All her midlane matchups suck too. Imagine Kat vs Malz and the pounding that Kat receives.
MalzaharAnyLane3 votesKatarina has always been ruined by Malzahar for all the same reasons Zed is.
You just don't take a snowballer and duel an APC duelist with a 3 second lockdown and % max HP magic damage. The only way you're going to win that is if they are at 25 percent HP. Even if you get a gank, they are probably just going to kill you right before dying to the jungler and the net amount of gold gained will be neutral considering all the farm you're not getting vs the assist.
This is not a balance issue, but I can accept that her ganking other lanes is unnecessarily difficult at gold+
Tails Doll4 votes"unnecessarily difficult at gold+"
To be fair, she has no resources, gets CD resets on kill, has high AoE dmg and high mobility.
If it were easy to get her rolling, she would be unbalanced.
Ruine2 votesProbably because if they reverted the nerfs.. The Meta would change again. I mean why would they buff champions that excel in a different META than the current if they are trying to keep the current meta for a bit? Like maybe you dont realize it but if they buff one champion it can affect more than just that champion. This game is about teamwork and different champions work well together.
Rıots Bad Client3 votesI think hes talking about
Nerf champion-Nerf item- revert champ nerf. (or some nerfs) not Nerf Champion- nerf item- revert changes to both items and champion.
Don't know.
Creeamy Sheev2 votesSion is a similar case, his E got nerfed really hard before Riot realised that his shield was making his laning phase too strong.
LaserDeathBlade1 votesIt'd defeat the point of changing the meta if they just brought the old one back
Horrow4 votesIt'd defeat the point of changing the meta if they just brought the old one back
I think OP is talking about when Riot nerfs champions based on their interaction with specific items. example:
Sej before the existence of Cinderhulk? Balanced.
Cinderhulk introduced and ran on Sej? Riot nerfs Sej instead of cinderhulk so other junglers could still use cinderhulk.
Cinderhulk finally gets nerfed? Riot chooses not to revert Sej nerfs, even though Cinderhulk was the reason she was nerfed to begin with.
Result? Sej was double nerfed. Once for working well with Cinderhulk. Then a second time due to Cinder itself getting nerfed.
And I agree with OP. If a champion is nerfed because they work too well with an item, then said item eventually gets nerfed, then the champion in question should have their nerfs reverted. If the item was nerfed, then it begins to nullify any reason for the prior champion nerfs to remain.
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