ok lee is a bit of a problem.

The Bard Dog·Dec 23, 2014·10 votes·1,114 views

dude doesn't have a bad early, bad mid, and has a phenominal late game(contrary to what people say.) i was fucking around as him and built a hydra, bloodthirster, and a bork and was able to vamp enough with my w to 1v2 a randuin's warmog's tabi darius, and a righetous glory, iceborn, juggernaut skarner under THEIR turret for over 4 seconds and still manage to kill BOTH of them.

the dude has a stupid amount of utility and damage, not to mention he's nearly unstoppable as a tank too.

19 Comments

Kuroi86Dec 23, 20144 votes

Assassin Lee will be torn apart late game unless he is very specific about his fights. Tank Lee can go where he wants and do as he pleases, but in return his damage falls off hard, the plus side is his utility makes a good Lee even more dangerous than an Assassin Lee could ever hope to be.

SammystormDec 23, 20144 votes

He has a horrible late game. However he might have a better late game then most current meta champs. I mean someone like nasus just dumps all over him late. I mean champions with late games are substantially better. It is just harder for them to reach late game with lee sin being dominant early.

BlackRavenDec 23, 20143 votes

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dude doesn't have a bad early, bad mid, and has a phenominal late game(contrary to what people say.) i was fucking around as him and built a hydra, bloodthirster, and a bork and was able to vamp enough with my w to 1v2 a randuin's warmog's tabi darius, and a righetous glory, iceborn, juggernaut skarner under THEIR turret for over 4 seconds and still manage to kill BOTH of them.

the dude has a stupid amount of utility and damage, not to mention he's nearly unstoppable as a tank too.

did u just say he has a phenominal late game? tell me how him 2v1ing the darius and skarner with that ad is going to help him win the late game when everyone has reached their end game. tell me that. what does a late game lee have over a vi. what does a late game lee have over kha and rengar. if lee goes full tank his damage is MINIMAL. stop lying to yourself .

Cloud273Dec 23, 20148 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2014-12-23T02:55:46.879+0000)

did u just say he has a phenominal late game? tell me how him 2v1ing the darius and skarner with that ad is going to help him win the late game when everyone has reached their end game. tell me that. what does a late game lee have over a vi. what does a late game lee have over kha and rengar. if lee goes full tank his damage is MINIMAL. stop lying to yourself .

The truth hurts

BlackRavenDec 23, 20143 votes

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The truth hurts

so does the bandwagon. go ask any of the high elos what they think of lee. if one of them says hes op, ill legit give you 2 dollars for your retarded ass to go buy a lolipop.

The Bard DogDec 23, 20145 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2014-12-23T03:03:13.396+0000)

so does the bandwagon. go ask any of the high elos what they think of lee. if one of them says hes op, ill legit give you 2 dollars for your retarded ass to go buy a lolipop.

lee sin has more playmaking potential than ANY champion in the game. and no it's not hard. all you have to do is land a q and be quick and decisive about ward/ally jumps and you win teamfights.

BlackRavenDec 23, 20142 votes

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lee sin has more playmaking potential than ANY champion in the game. and no it's not hard. all you have to do is land a q and be quick and decisive about ward/ally jumps and you win teamfights.

and where do you find those lees? high elo only. if you have a lee in gold and silver actually making plays like that, hes most likely a smurf.

The Bard DogDec 23, 20146 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2014-12-23T03:07:56.978+0000)

and where do you find those lees? high elo only. if you have a lee in gold and silver actually making plays like that, hes most likely a smurf.

you're saying no one can be good at lee sin unless they're a smurf or extremely high elo? so then you can't just practice him for a bit, learn how he works, and then proceed to dominate your elo with his overloaded kit? the dude has 6 abilities that aren't limitied to a form change(gnar shyvana) or a playstyle change(jayce) and has very VERY low cooldowns on all of them. stop trying to defend this champion that has been on top of the jungler meta SINCE HE WAS RELEASED, who has only been hit with love taps on every single nerf. even his most recent nerf turned out to be inconsequential because of just how overloaded his kit is.

he's very similar to pre-rework olaf, pre-rework kassadin, and yasuo. it's extremely hard to balance out his kit because of how overloaded it is, so the only options are either frighteningly strong, or disgustingly bad.

it doesn't take a high elo lee to land a q. just the ability to lead a target. and it doesn't take a high elo player to drop a ward at max range and w to it, or to w to a teammate who is getting hit particularly hard. just common sense.

BlackRavenDec 23, 20143 votes

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you're saying no one can be good at lee sin unless they're a smurf or extremely high elo? so then you can't just practice him for a bit, learn how he works, and then proceed to dominate your elo with his overloaded kit? the dude has 6 abilities that aren't limitied to a form change(gnar shyvana) or a playstyle change(jayce) and has very VERY low cooldowns on all of them. stop trying to defend this champion that has been on top of the jungler meta SINCE HE WAS RELEASED, who has only been hit with love taps on every single nerf. even his most recent nerf turned out to be inconsequential because of just how overloaded his kit is.

he's very similar to pre-rework olaf, pre-rework kassadin, and yasuo. it's extremely hard to balance out his kit because of how overloaded it is, so the only options are either frighteningly strong, or disgustingly bad.

it doesn't take a high elo lee to land a q. just the ability to lead a target. and it doesn't take a high elo player to drop a ward at max range and w to it, or to w to a teammate who is getting hit particularly hard. just common sense.

do that for me. i want you to add me and message me in 5 days when ive see that youve climbed elo with lee. i want you to try playing him both hybrid and full tank. if ur kda is way below positive, the win doesnt count. idgaf what you say about sacrifice.. because a good lee doesnt die for no reason. ty!

SammystormDec 23, 20144 votes

I would disagree. I think that quite a few champions have just as much playmaking potential. It just depends on the time of the game and the builds of said champions. Zed for example.

Cloud273Dec 23, 20141 votes

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BlackRavenDec 23, 20142 votes

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"the truth hurts" can imply 2 things, that either you do actually agree with me, or that the "truth" that the owner of this thread is sayin hurts. take it easy buddy.

Cloud273Dec 23, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2014-12-23T03:09:05.243+0000)

"the truth hurts" can imply 2 things, that either you do actually agree with me, or that the "truth" that the owner of this thread is sayin hurts. take it easy buddy.

To assume makes an @ss of you and me. Which is exactly what you did.

The Bard DogDec 23, 20144 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2014-12-23T02:55:46.879+0000)

did u just say he has a phenominal late game? tell me how him 2v1ing the darius and skarner with that ad is going to help him win the late game when everyone has reached their end game. tell me that. what does a late game lee have over a vi. what does a late game lee have over kha and rengar. if lee goes full tank his damage is MINIMAL. stop lying to yourself .

much more utility and more options in teamfights. can peel for adcs, and displace a whole team with a well placed ult, has a good initiate/chase, has a shield that can be given to anyone else that also tacks onto his vamp, and has an aeo magic damage attack that scales with ad and also slows. lee sin has solid scaling for his abilities to keep both ad and tanky lee sin viable.

tanky lee sin works as a secondary support to soak damage and help peel for carries, full damage lee sin works as an assassin with tons of escapes and a myriad of ways to get in on/kill carries.

i was able to outvamp a FULL BUILD kalista due to lee's AS boost in his passive tacked on with is free spellvamp/lifesteal on his w.

BlackRavenDec 23, 20142 votes

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much more utility and more options in teamfights. can peel for adcs, and displace a whole team with a well placed ult, has a good initiate/chase, has a shield that can be given to anyone else that also tacks onto his vamp, and has an aeo magic damage attack that scales with ad and also slows. lee sin has solid scaling for his abilities to keep both ad and tanky lee sin viable.

tanky lee sin works as a secondary support to soak damage and help peel for carries, full damage lee sin works as an assassin with tons of escapes and a myriad of ways to get in on/kill carries.

i was able to outvamp a FULL BUILD kalista due to lee's AS boost in his passive tacked on with is free spellvamp/lifesteal on his w.

if the full ad lee gets on ur team, you press on ur cc button.. its located somewhere on your screen. ask your support if she can point and click on the exhaust button. if the tanky lee gets on your adc, you push him back and kill his entire team as hes busy wondering why on earth a vi gets to point and click to cc a target while he needs to land a skillshot.

AmightyTDec 23, 20143 votes

Lee sin falls off in damage late game. He still has loads of utility with his kit.

EDIT: Why do I even try to argue with a Lee Sin main

QuephaDec 23, 20143 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Lee Sin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yk46isUp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2014-12-23T02:55:46.879+0000)

tell me how him 2v1ing the darius and skarner is going to help him win the late game

what

DiostukosDec 23, 20142 votes

C'mon guys, Tank Lee doesn't have damage. It's not like he has a %health ability, great scalings, and a 600 base damage ult or anything :^)

Tin TarantinoDec 23, 20141 votes

He falls off late game because people start grouping and trying to fight effectively with a squishy build in melee range would result in him being blown up, you also had 3 lifesteal items, giving you 67% lifesteal when W was up if you had it maxed, I'd be surprised if you weren't able to drain tank with that. Any Hard CC would have easily shut you down though, so if skarner still had his ult you would have been dunked pretty quickly.