Please get rid of Veigar's enemy ap ratio on his ult

Curling Veigar··6 votes·633 views

And replace it with a buff to his own ratio. Make his ratio about 140% with no enemy AP to balance him out.

Seriously, AD mids are so common that the enemy ratio's damage isn't even a thing to include.

Also, for comparison, 140% Isn't like "OH MY GOD TOO MUCH.". A comparison? Release tristana's ult did 600 + 200% AP. Yeah, that's basically a full AP charged up Nunu ult on point and click.

Other buff ideas are welcome, but this i what I'd personally prefer.

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Only Play Darius3 votes

No.

Curling Veigar4 votes

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No.

Explain why

Kouga2 votes

It might be your preference, but I disagree.

It a part of Veigar's identity; he is not just a mage, he is a ridiculously powerful mage (infinite AP scaling) who lives for little else than total destruction. He turns other mages strengths against themselves ("You deny the darkness in your soul! You deny your power!").

Thematic identity aside, from a gameplay standpoint, it puts him in a unique position. He is one of League's Counter-Mages. Kass also fits this due to his innate Magic damage reduction, but Veigar does it in his own way; nuking mages to Kingdom Come.

If you just crank up his AP ratio, then it homogenizes him; he just falls in line with the other burst AP mages, because part of his unique gameplay pattern is lost.

Instead, I think they need to encourage Veigar to use his Cage in ways other than just trying to land the stun. His E has always been, for all intents and purposes, just a circle-shaped skillshot. You didn't try to get them in the middle, you tried to stun them. And yes, the delay makes that more difficult. However, I had a thought: what if his spells interacted with his E? I go into more detail Here but basically, let his Q and W have different effects if they pass through E's zone, such as widening W's impact area, or maybe making Q split into multiple projectiles.

This way, if you miss the stun but get them in the cage there is actually some gameplay. This could actually give Veigar a reason to try to land people in the center of his cage - if they run, all the more likely they'll hit the wall and be stunned, but if they don't, Veigar is empowered if they are trapped.

This only furthers Veigar's theme and feel of "ridiculously evil and overpowering mage" - you're trapped and he's raining spells down upon you. It even fits his lore, considering he was locked away in a prison and went insane.

But, that's just what I'd personally prefer.

DrCabes2 votes

He's a counter mage that gets countered by every mage atm...

HailFire Dragon1 votes

only in the early game. thats like saying nasus is a horrible champion and needs buff because he gets pushed around and bullied in the top lane while completly ignoreing his late game power spike where everyone dies to his pimp cane.

a good viegar can even 100-0 an adc with his ult come late game. a targeted spell that without specific items/seplls are impossible to dodge. that much power late game comes with reprecussions

Arduno1 votes

If we can buff his ult to be strong enough so we can nuke zed off the face of the earth then yes plz mehehehe

Rrett1 votes

I am superior veigar player than OP and I approve this message.

UberAffe1 votes

I agree with this but for a different reason. If veigar is behind against another ap mid, there is no reason for him to benefit from them building ap.

Curling Veigar1 votes

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I agree with this but for a different reason. If veigar is behind against another ap mid, there is no reason for him to benefit from them building ap.

In most cases Veigar can easily burst an AP carry without the enemy ration anyways. Like, if I'm 2-5 or a bit behind, and I've finally picked up a DFG, any squishy I catch is dead regardless of the enemy ratio

Arduno1 votes

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In most cases Veigar can easily burst an AP carry without the enemy ration anyways. Like, if I'm 2-5 or a bit behind, and I've finally picked up a DFG, any squishy I catch is dead regardless of the enemy ratio

R.I.P DFG..

UberAffe1 votes

probably true, but even so 80% of your targets ap, that means that if your opponent had 5 times as much ap as you do your ult would deal damage equivalent to you having their ap and them having none.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

That +80% target AP sounds extraneous and misleading anyways. At least enough to make people shut up about how he fares better against mages: no he doesn't.

Jokes aside, somewhere between 140%-160% AP scaling would be a better idea.

DrCabes1 votes

Agreed, the AP from his enemy is usually just overkill. Given that that extra AP ratio was a part of his identity though, it would be nice to have an effect added on top of improving is own AP ratio. Maybe a miniature dfg effect on the target he ults, just an idea. Makes sense since he's a burst mage. While Veigar didn't need dfg, removing it was still a nerf, on top of everything else they changed about Veigar, all nerfs. He didn't need dfg before, but now a little bonus similar to dfg from his ult could be more necessary.

Curling Veigar1 votes

I want his own ratio buffed so he's more consistent versus all types of champs (ad and ap) but not 80% enemy ap because that'd be overkill.

If it was 1.4 of his own AP and ONLY that he'd be pretty nice.

Curling Veigar1 votes

Eh, it doesn't even give that much damage at best

FTMHukY4Ps1 votes

Veigar is an anti-mage. His ult is the main part of his identity.

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