hey look im blitzcrank and im gonna zone you simply because i exist
is this healthy gameplay or what
is this healthy gameplay or what
Miss 50 Qs, then hit one and win.
All those Lulu Qs landed. The zoning done by Nami. Outplays with Sorakas E. All executed perfectly, until one misstep and the lanes over because he lands a single ability after you've landed many.
Its hard to outplay someone with such low risk and insanely high reward.
such low risk and insanely high reward.
Have.. have you EVER played Blitz, or are you making stuff up? Low risk is "I missed all my Qs, but I'm k." Blitz, atleast in laning, is more like "I missed 2 Qs. Now I'm completely oom."
^ people die to him and make heated threads when as a blitz main, if i dont land them i lose so much mana, you cant escape anymore because of his w nerf and you have decently long cool downs, also why not just bitch about
blitzcrank cant magically pull a lantern out of his ass, his q doesn't give u a cool down for grabbing someone and his e is useless without hooking unless your in a team fight. If the enemy ADC was good, they would zone me constantly and let their support poke the adc..
Technically Thresh's Q is not a grab with a heavy displacement, in fact
let's you go away as it's labeled as stun, yes he can still launch himself at you but if you are just trying to catch off someone you won't go in.
Blitz's grab instead is more like a knockback or knock up, they cannot be QSS, so is his grab.
Technically Thresh's Q is not a grab with a heavy displacement, in fact
let's you go away as it's labeled as stun, yes he can still launch himself at you but if you are just trying to catch off someone you won't go in.
Blitz's grab instead is more like a knockback or knock up, they cannot be QSS, so is his grab.
I am not trying to protect Blitz as I hate him as much as anyone else but if you have good reflexes, QSS can actually deny him his pull. Basically, if you are fast enough to activate it the moment the pull catches you, it works like Sivir's or Morgana's shields, the pull just stays there for a while but it doesn't pull you. I've done it several times.
The with this is that the enemy ADC is also enough of a threat that you can't easily punish Blitz for missing a Q or two. If you try to follow him while he backs off to wait for his mana to regen, the ADC's damage will zone you off. If you try to go in on his ADC he can still walk up to you and punch you. You might be able to zone the enemy ADC for a bit while Blitz's hook is on CD, but Blitz zones so much harder that unless he's literally just spamming it off cooldown his team still comes out ahead.
It also can't be a matter of "LRN 2 DODGE BRO" because he's often picked by professionals, who are obviously much better at dodging and playing around his cooldowns than the vast majority of the playerbase. He's apparently pretty balanced at that level of play (unless one believes LC$ BIG PLAY$ prevent nerfs), but a terror to lower-level players because of the huge impact of his hook.
I have literally been zoned by Blitzcranks that aren't even in lane. If he manages to get into a bush my team doesn't have vision of, it is suicide to try and get a ward in it. He can back and for all I know he's just waiting for me to take half a step out from behind my minions because good Blitz players actually wait until they have a good shot before firing.
Some of the Blitz QQ also probably comes from players that play at lot of blind pick or Teambuilder. They can't ban him or counterpick him, and there's a fair chance of having bot lanes that are countered by him. Getting hard-countered by Blitzcrank is probably less common in draft pick because the enemy support may well pick before your bot lane, giving you a chance for either your ADC or Support to pick someone to counter him or at least not completely fail against him.
EDIT: On the other hand I know he's not super easy to play. Bad Blitzcrank players remain bad. Everyone's met that one Blitz that kept grabbing the enemy tanks or spammed Q off cool-down and went oom two minutes into laning phase. The problem is that good Blitzcranks zone so well and seem so safe everyone forgets about the bad ones.
lol full tank leona... blitz can pull me anytime... idgaf
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hi, i can jump to you and stun you then lock you down with my ult. If i get pulled without my adc... then i deserve to get owned.
If Vayne doesn't tumble dodge your Zenith Blade, you won because she was bad, not because you were good. Vayne with just BorK is a nightmare for Leona.
Just a BotRK? How is that gonna punch through the ~140 armour Leona will have by the time Vayne has a BotRK up?
Vayne doesn't melt thru tanks like butter until she's got the %arpen from last whisper up; until then, any lane duo suited to dealing with Vayne early game stands a fair enough chance.
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Just a BotRK? How is that gonna punch through the ~140 armour Leona will have by the time Vayne has a BotRK up?
Vayne doesn't melt thru tanks like butter until she's got the %arpen from last whisper up; until then, any lane duo suited to dealing with Vayne early game stands a fair enough chance.
Two words explain why
will rip through any tank
true damage
with 9 hit, you dealt 24% of maximum hp. sorry but it isn't enought
Sorry, but you need to work on your theorycraft. You neglect both the autoattack damage and the first item BorK Vayne gets. Assuming Eclipse is up during the entire nine hits, and Leona maxed it first, Leona has about 100 armor at level 7. She's building a Sightstone and Targon's first, so she has health, but not much more than base armor + Eclipse. Vayne, of course, maxes Silver Bolts first to do the 8% PLUS 60 bonus true damage every third hit. They both have to be at least level 7 for maxed first skill, so Vayne's ult is available. So, Vayne has 125 ad total, from her AD growth, ult, and BorK.
Vayne's autos do about 60 damage against Leona's 50% reduction from armor, so those 9 attacks net her over 500 damage. 3 of those attacks proc the 24% plus 180 bonus true damage. Leona, at level 7 with her Sightstone and Targon's Brace, has about 1350 health, so Silver Bolts do about 325 damage from the % max health portion. Lastly, the % current health damage of BorK, at 8% per hit, reduced by armor to about 4%, start at 54 and would decrease to less than 10, averaging about 32 per hit for 288 damage. Over those 9 attacks, Vayne can do 95.8% of Leona's health in damage by herself.
Let's not forget the scenario begins with Leona getting grabbed by Blitz, knocked up, slammed into a wall, and five of those attacks are basically free. The grab and knockup, along with Blitz ult, definitely did the other 5% easily. Sorry, but it is enough.
... they have to be level 9 for first maxed skill (1=1, 3=2, 5=3, 7=4, 9=5 for skill level unlocks.)
Her true damage is a lot weaker than Irelia's. And vayne generally doesn't max her true damage first, because that's bad.
The true damage is good, but the True Damage was never a massive portion of Vayne's damage output.
True damage: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8% target's maximum health)
Vaynes true power doesn't lie in Silver Bolts, that's just a nice middle finger to tanks late game on top of Bork and crits.
fite me
Ok
8 item Rammus confirmed new meta 2k15.
Probably would be better
Had a Blitzcrank on an enemy team that didn't land a hook until the last minute of the game on our Vayne, which cost us the game.
My team in the post-game lobby said, "Vayne got caught, she's so bad."
I responded with, "Don't blame Vayne. I really don't think any one of use could have foresaw this Blitz's grab actually hitting ever."
Immediately reported for verbal by the Blitzcrank. Honored by my Vayne. Chuckles had by everyone up until the chat-ban.
Diiiiiiiidn't even say anything that game. Good job, Riot, your justice system is riveting.
Yeah, you got a chat ban for a single sentence. Seems legit. Even if you didn't flame that game, you probably did in other games. Or, you're probably one of those guys who type "gg easy" or "outplayed" in the /all chat.
So "outplayed" can lead to ban? What are we, a bunch of overly sensitive kids?
It's unsportsmanlike
literally no other champion can do this

yo wtf is up with vel'koz
yo wtf is up with vel'koz
if he lands his e ur dead velkoz is god and nobody realizes
one e isnt a certain death especially behind minions as he cant q u then
he doesn't need Q, he just need 2 W+R
His R is such a slow channel and all you have to do to dodge it is walk out of range OR outrun it, which even Anivia can do
Which you cannot do if you have been hit by E, or at all in the first place.
Have you tried attacking him since he's a literally worthless champion whenever he's not hooking something?
And when he lands a hook he wins lane, or a fight, or the game.
This level of feast-or-famine is, quite simply, just wrong.
So have we come to the point where every single champion has to have some sort of fallback and feast-or-famine is absolutely not allowed in this game anymore? It kind of feels like people want League to have absolutely no real high-risk champions - just a bunch of low-medium risk champions that all get some sort of reward for it.
There's a difference between "risk" and "you are either worthless or instantly win fights".
The enemy blitz grabs your adc at max range without even trying.
Your blitz decides that grabbing the enemy
and
is the best idea ever.
Difference between
and
: Blitz's hook is MUCH faster. Thresh can be dodged better than anyone else with a hook. Blitz's hook comes out way too fast to get risky.
I'd rather fight Thresh.
Difference between
and
: Blitz's hook is MUCH faster. Thresh can be dodged better than anyone else with a hook. Blitz's hook comes out way too fast to get risky.
I'd rather fight Thresh.
Nah, thresh is useful for other things. Blitz has one option and one only. Thresh has many uses.
Nah, thresh is useful for other things. Blitz has one option and one only. Thresh has many uses.
But Blitz has the ability to force my laning phase into the shitter for free. Thresh can too, but it's harder for him. I'd rather not be made useless mid game.
Thresh is more late game oriented than Blitz, but I'd rather deal with that than Blitz's early game bullying.
But Blitz has the ability to force my laning phase into the shitter for free. Thresh can too, but it's harder for him. I'd rather not be made useless mid game.
Thresh is more late game oriented than Blitz, but I'd rather deal with that than Blitz's early game bullying.
A blitz lane is a walk in the park to gank, while thresh has 1 hard cc, a displacement, two slows, a shield and a potential MASSIVE dash for his adc. Blitz is so much more exploitable than thresh, and it's why thresh is played much more often.
Blitz pull is the support version of a Nidalee Q.
You can dodge as many times as you fucking want but get hit by one and you're basically screwed.
Atleast with nid there is a decent hitbox that pretty much matches the animation.
idk but it sure is annoying. seeing blitz and thresh so much just gets old
Good point it's not healthy. A good zoner would be someone who turns something on and that's the danger zone but Blitzcrank just has to do nothing.
It seems that few people take advantage of the pull's CD early on.
If you see him use it, and he misses, FUCKING GO IN. RIGHT THEN.
I'm sure the majority of lane pairs can fight 2v2 against a blitz with no hook. You can't be pulled into tower or any other unfortunate position, and he's only going to knock you up as he tries to run away.
It seems that few people take advantage of the pull's CD early on.
If you see him use it, and he misses, FUCKING GO IN. RIGHT THEN.
I'm sure the majority of lane pairs can fight 2v2 against a blitz with no hook. You can't be pulled into tower or any other unfortunate position, and he's only going to knock you up as he tries to run away.
Most lanes can win 2v2 even if he hits his hook. He hooks you, knocks you up, and now you fight 2v1 while blitz is worthless. GG EZ.
That's why you take AD runes on Blitz. One Q + E combo and autoattacks from Blitzcranks ADC and the target is near death, expect you're Nautilus or so..
Yeah, cause minions don't exist, just ignore the minion wave and yolo!