Win or lose, Cassiopeia is less enjoyable since the last set of balance changes

AquariusGine··3 votes·351 views

I know Riot wants to push her towards the lategame AP-oriented build because of mask abusers, and no doubt she's an even bigger lategame threat now,

BUT THERE IS NO LATE GAME

By the time I get enough AP to break even with the previous power level, the game is over. It's so hard to do anything with her right now because everyone hits too hard early, and by everyone I mean ADCs. Cassiopeia needs 250AP to reach the same power level as before, 250AP is at least 2.5-3 items. (You really have to bear in mind that item 3027 and item 3040 take time to stack. They aren't instant power spikes) Meanwhile ADC's start destroying with item 3031 item 3087

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Not asking for huge buffs, just slight re-adjustment of power again. Because right now, she takes so long to become useful it's pointless picking her.

Current patch 7.18:

Twin Fangs BONUS DAMAGE VS POISONED TARGETS 15/40/65/90/115 ⇒10/30/50/70/90 BONUS RATIO VS POISONED TARGETS 0.4 ability power ⇒ 0.5 ability power

You need 250 AP to reach the same damage potential as before

Change it to

BONUS DAMAGE VS POISONED TARGETS Level 5 E: 115 ⇒95 BONUS RATIO VS POISONED TARGETS 0.4 ability power ⇒ 0.5 ability power

Now you only need 200 AP to break even. Seems fair riot?

Honestly, this wouldn't even be a problem if it weren't for the ADC dictating every single game. You pick Cassiopeia as a damage threat and she is taking too long to be of any use. Other mages offer reliable utility and can still be useful without relying too much on heavy damage.

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You can still win almost every lane early with Cassiopeia her level 1-3 poke is second to none.

Also you can hit 250+ AP by 20 minutes if you build Archangel's Staff right after RoA and before you build a full Morello.

AquariusGine2 votes

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You can still win almost every lane early with Cassiopeia her level 1-3 poke is second to none.

Also you can hit 250+ AP by 20 minutes if you build Archangel's Staff right after RoA and before you build a full Morello.

You can't do that anymore, if she doesn't get the kill, she will have no mana for the entire laning phase.

The changes were made to prevent her from trying to all in or chunk enemies at lvl 3. It costs too much and the damage is never enough.

And about that hitting the same power level at 20minutes, it's a bit too late in the current meta don't you think so?

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You can't do that anymore, if she doesn't get the kill, she will have no mana for the entire laning phase.

The changes were made to prevent her from trying to all in or chunk enemies at lvl 3. It costs too much and the damage is never enough.

And about that hitting the same power level at 20minutes, it's a bit too late in the current meta don't you think so?

Her level 1-2 corrupting potion cheese is still very much alive. The aim of it is to not always get first blood but to force the other laner out as quickly as possible to get an enormous XP and CS lead.

I just finished playing a game as Cassiopeia on my main account(this is my boards/troll account) and I beat an Ekko badly in lane by level 2 cheesing him. I also had 310 AP at 20 mins with a RoA, Archangel's, dark seal, corrupting potion, and an Amplifying tome, with like 6 dark seal stacks. Her damage is still very very high. I will admit though that if you get camped in lane and fall behind, you'll basically stay down the entire game because Cassiopeia cannot play from behind anymore due to needing more AP early aka more gold.

Snaketits2 votes

Cass feels pretty terrible after these changes. It's like you said, there's no lategame for her to win since the first 15 minutes decide the outcome anyway. It takes you 25 minutes just to get your core items (RoA and Morello) and at that point the game's simply snowballing out of control.

Most of the time it's just an extremely onesided curbstomp with one side being unable to take a single tower while getting pushed into their base mercilessly. What can Cass even do before finishing her 3 items? Nothing, that's what.

Infact her winrate has dropped to 46% in this patch alone, she's in dire need of some compensation. I don't even get why they're shipping her only skin along with these brutal nerfs, it's completely unreasonable. Who is even going to buy a skin for a gutted champion?

AquariusGine2 votes

Okay, after I tried out a few games, I've concluded that RoA is no longer a good build path on her. She doesn't want to trade early game anymore so the early game healing isn't that useful. Neither does she want to trade without AP and RoA takes forever to get a decent amount of AP.

Add in the fact that she has no early magic pen from boots-> Building RoA becomes liability in this win-game-at-15minute meta.

If you're looking for early game tankiness with a bit of damage, Haunting Guise is a good option, the extra early magic pen will also help her tremendously.

The only time RoA could be useful if she she went top lane

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