FRANKLY, I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF 4 PEOPLE NEED A SOLO PLAYER IN ORDER TO PLAY AS 4 ON A RANKED LADDER. I DONT DONT DONT EVER WANT TO PLAY RANKED WITH PREMADES OR AGAINST PREMADES. FUCK THAT.
KING ATTILA78 votesFuck Dynamic Queue
Freshi4 votesI'm ok with duo q, but when you have 4 or 5 players on the same team, the communication is op
Please just keep duo q
Osaka 77861 votesRiot's statistics says otherwise. You are actually enjoying dynamic queue. /s
LatetotheRace9 votesWell if Riot's statistics say so, then I damn well should......
;_; send help, Riot has imprisoned me and is force feeding me false data.
Gorantharon7 votesThe data wasn't false. They only asked if you liked that dynamic queue let's you play with friends.
The conclusions was the lie, because from people giving positive feedback to this question, they claimed people liked dynamic queue better, although they never asked that, ever.
Karma Deified8 votesDidn't they also make it seem like dynamic queue was new champion select?
DrCyanide7 votesNo, they worded the question specifically to avoid that. That's why the question didn't mention "dynamic" at all, it described the functionality (playing with more friends in ranked).
When we polled a random set of players across all of League of Legends the specific question: “I like that you are allowed to queue with any number of people to play ranked”, about 55% of players agreed, 20% were neutral, and 25% disagreed.
3TWarrior2 votesunfortunately, this is also a loaded question
riot used the key word, "like" instead of asking a question with a specific bias, such as, "do you prefer to play ranked solo or with friends?" answers: Solo, indifferent, with friends
any player would "like" that they can queue with whomever they want...not that they are instead forced out of the option of playing solo
Alüe11 votesis there a link for these statistics? and what questions were presented, i heard some individuals were upset with the way the questionnaire was worded as it gave riot the results they wanted.
Saianna31 votesThe link for those statistics leads to Lytes ass unfortunately :(
Cowgirl Ed7 votesThe link for those statistics lead to Lytes ass unfortunately :(
lmao, this would go in my signature. oh wait, this is not a forum, no sig
Gorantharon16 votesThe question was if you like that dynamic queue allows for playing with your friends. Something that most people would answer yes to.
They very specifically never asked if you liked solo or dynamic queue better.
KarmasPolice11 votesI was asked this question, and I automatically answered yes, cause it's the truth. Only then I realized who dumb the question was worded.
This is called a 'loaded question' and it designed to approve or justify something you are already certain about but have customers to convince.
Elikain5 votesThe majority of people enjoy the dynamic queue, you are the vocal minority that made a big fuss over this issue to appear as the majority. Riot didn't sat you're enjoying anything, they said the majority enjoys it. If you don't, that sucks for you. When they fix the matchmaking, things will be better.
CppL9 votesThe majority of people enjoy the dynamic queue, you are the vocal minority that made a big fuss over this issue to appear as the majority. Riot didn't sat you're enjoying anything, they said the majority enjoys it. If you don't, that sucks for you. When they fix the matchmaking, things will be better.
Really?? cause what i can see are posts about people hating dynamic crap (cause of the stupid premades and boosters) ,and it gets hundreds upvotes ,thousants replays.Soo yea...where are your majority?
Elikain7 votesThere's a simple answer to your conundrum:
You're basically taking the lack of evidence that we exist (because we are silent) as evidence that we don't exist, trying to establish yourselves as the majority. You're not a majority, you're just very vocal about your opinion and we're not bothering with trying to put you down - which is our mistake. But it's not like i can start this movement on my own. We simply don't care because Riot is doing us a favor and you're barking in vain.
And let's tally you up, shall we? A couple of threads each day, a couple of hundred upvotes each time and let's be generous and say that a thread is about 100 replies long, and all replies are in your favor. And i'm not even going to mention that the same people are cirklejerking the different threads about DQ, essentially inflating your own egos but for the sake of the argument, let's say that you're all special individuals that don't like DQ.
That's: (1 OP + 200 upvotes + 100 replies) x 2 (threads) = 602 SQ cultists. In 10 days - 6020 SQ cultists. In a month - 18060 SQ cultists. Even better. In 3 months - 54180 SQ cultists. Wow.
OK, you've all been saying there has been no SQ for 3 months so i've very crudely (and intentionally inaccurately) calculated your numbers so far - just to give you a fighting chance. In reality, these numbers are way smaller. According to Forbes (a 2014 statistic, couldn't find the recent ones sorry), 27 million players play league daily while the concurrent peak is 7.5 million. I'll use the smaller number because it seems more correct. After this fact, i think that i've read somewhere that only 50% of the community even plays ranked. That's 3.75 million players.
Let's run the numbers again: Riot's surveys right now say 55% is for DQ, 20% says don't care and 25% says no. Keep in mind that surveys are not going to all players but let's say it was 50% of this community. That's 1 875 000 surveys sent (even this number is way too high but let's roll with it).
#This is literally almost 10 times the inflated amount i gave you. Your actual percentage right now (according to my BS data) is 2.89% of the entire community who was surveyed).
And then you accuse Riot of rigging the data? You should trust them more than me. You have no shame. You don't like that it isn't in your favor so you're calling it rigged as an excuse.
My data (this BS calculation) is complete BS. It's taken from various sources, it's outdated and i even estimated your numbers (bases on your argument of the negative board dwellers who live and breathe for the sole purpose of taking down DQ). Even if it's BS, you don't even stand a chance.
Democracy at work. The president has been chosen and you're stuck with him for 4 years (I'm using this sentence as a metaphor, not an actual fact).
LatetotheRace5 votesRiot uses the use of the DQ system as evidence that people like it. Personally I don't like it at all past the champion select that came with it. However I decided right before it was released, I was going to try to climb this season. Which I've been finding harder and harder that more pre-mades I've played against.
I think the easiest way to solve all of this crap on both sides, make a damn poll. RIGHT ON THE FRONT OF THE DAMN LAUNCHER. Alright job done, we can all go home now. But for whatever reason, riot can't just program a poll that takes probably 5 minutes at most due to the information already existing.
Elikain2 votesTheir surveys were the poll. Now you're demanding a do-over. Riot is working on fixing the issues for solo players by making adjustments to the team building algorithm, which means they are trying to solve the problem and still keep DQ in place because they said they want to make it work.
Riot uses DQ as evidence
You're constantly making issues about DQ. Riot tested it out, surveys provided the numbers and DQ stayed as a feature that pushed out the SQ - which had its own problems. If anything, you're the ones who use DQ as evidence that it should be removed and replaced with SQ, under the accusations that it's faulty and it can't be fixed. Riot says that it can be fixed. And i bet that you only want that because it feels familiar. For the moment, you're willing to trade one problem with the already existing one but i'd give you no more than a week to suddenly return to boards and make a complaint how something in SQ needs Riot's immediate attention, because that queue has issues as well that are even harder to fix.
But you know, boards will be boards.
Karma Deified7 votesFirstly, solo queue wasn't a problem. Only frustrated players complained about the nature of solo queue. Before dynamic, you never saw anyone competent complaining about the ranked system. There were top lane meta posts, mid lane meta posts, don't blame jungler posts, be nice to your support/buff support posts and adc are op/up posts.
You know the one legitimate complaint about old solo queue? Premades. You know the whole, abandon hope if you see a real name in chat.
Now, as for the polls. Have you seen what the odd naysayer in the anti-dynamic queue threads used to say? They said they liked being able to get their role and were rightfully downvoted.
But, this is an expected counterargument from the average player, because the average player probably doesn't separate new champ select from dynamic queue. Note that** the forum represents the informed minority **and even among them there were players who didn't know this yet.
This combined with the leading questions make the poll results completely invalid. Guaranteed, if solo were released tomorrow, dynamic would become ranked normals/the boosted queue to replace the old 3v3 for border strategy with a little bit of dedicated team play mixed in.
DrCyanide1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Lovely Whisper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yieh8YLE,comment-id=0001000300000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-19T14:39:37.295+0000)
Before dynamic, you never saw anyone competent complaining about the ranked system.
Were you blind or ignorant? Posts about promotional matches, placement matches, trolls in ranked, smurfs, matchmaking as a whole being terrible and improper ways to deal with afks always came up.
You know the one legitimate complaint about old solo queue? Premades. You know the whole, abandon hope if you see a real name in chat.
I never saw a post prior to Dynamic Queue that complained about premades. From personal experience queuing with my wife, there were more times when people assumed one of us was a premade with someone else on the team rather than with each other.
Now, as for the polls. Have you seen what the odd naysayer in the anti-dynamic queue threads used to say? They said they liked being able to get their role and were rightfully downvoted.
But, this is an expected counterargument from the average player, because the average player probably doesn't separate new champ select from dynamic queue. [...] This combined with the leading questions make the poll results completely invalid.
The poll didn't use the term "dynamic queue" for exactly the same reason. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/XvqbAgrF-letos-talk-about-dynamic-queues-and-ranked-play
“I like that you are allowed to queue with any number of people to play ranked”, about 55% of players agreed, 20% were neutral, and 25% disagreed.
Karma Deified2 votesWere you blind or ignorant? Posts about promotional matches, placement matches, trolls in ranked, smurfs, matchmaking as a whole being terrible and improper ways to deal with afks always came up.
Anyone competent
I never saw a post prior to Dynamic Queue that complained about premades. From personal experience queuing with my wife, there were more times when people assumed one of us was a premade with someone else on the team rather than with each other.
Were you blind or ignorant?
The poll didn't use the term "dynamic queue" for exactly the same reason.
My mistake, still stands that the average player probably doesn't know the difference and is willing to keep dynamic queue based on it.
In addition, the question is still heavily leading. Who doesn't want options available? It's asking if they want an option with no alternative by asking only if they want an option available.
Imagine asking if someone prefers plain bread or toast by asking if they enjoy being able to have toast or not.
P.S.
Posts about promotional matches, placement matches, trolls in ranked, smurfs, matchmaking as a whole being terrible and improper ways to deal with afks always came up.
Just to look at these as problems one can't overcome, despite evidence in high elo players. Most of them are worse with Dynamic Queue.
Elikain1 votesFirstly, solo queue wasn't a problem. Only frustrated players complained about the nature of solo queue. Before dynamic, you never saw anyone competent complaining about the ranked system
Yea, if you're going to base your argument with this opening statement than i'll just fire back at you and say that you're a frustrated player and that you aren't competent enough because you can't play in DQ. How conceited can you get with this one liner, i wonder.
I am well aware the problems of DQ and i'm not dismissing any one of them. Riot has said they are on top of the problems and i trust them to take care of it. And since i trust them, i know they won't half ass the job - once they completely fix your source of pain, there will be 0 need for a second queue. SQ will be gone forever. Of course, your reaction was supposed to be: " i don't care in what queue i play, i just want the queue to be fair towards me as a solo player and as long as that's the case, i'll be fine".
But at the mere mention that Riot intends to grant your wish but that means no SQ, you're all getting triggered all over.
LatetotheRace2 votes"I am well aware the problems of DQ and i'm not dismissing any one of them. Riot has said they are on top of the problems and i trust them to take care of it." Why would you? They bold face lied about SoloQ and made up some stupid excuse to try to tide us over. (Thats one of many problems lately) Btw still waiting on the information from that poll you mentioned, you know, the one where people liked DQ overwhelmingly??
Elikain2 votesWhy would you? They bold face lied about SoloQ and made up some stupid excuse to try to tide us over. (Thats one of many problems lately)
You know what, screw you. Because i already see what's happening here. You want them to do what you want, you're not going to accept any other solution as a fix to this specific problem and when they provide an answer, you're calling it "excuses". The truth is, you don't want an answer because you already made one up for yourself.
I trust them because i played this game for 7 years and i still am not triggered like some of you, with the mere mention of "Riot Games". If you want to be a drama queen, pack up your bags and leave. Riot is not going to bend over for you, they have made their decision. You either take it at face value or leave Your choice entirely.
Btw still waiting on the information from that poll you mentioned
I didn't say poll. I said surveys that were the poll. Lyte's post about 3 months ago, i'm sure you can google that yourself - like i did. And don't complain you didn't get the chance to get surveyed, neither did i. They were sent to a random sample of players and then they analyzed the data and gave us back the numbers.
LatetotheRace1 votesOh yea, I've read the post. Since there's no information on it, I have no reason to believe they aren't just manipulating numbers to support their DQ narrative.
LatetotheRace4 votesI'd like to see the poll is you have the source btw as I apparently didn't get to use it (wonder why) Also, the community has had ample time to accurately gage the system now than the had previously.
Okay, i'm making issues? Riot tested it out you say? My god, then it must be balanced. Uh huh? Feral flare, ekko, Literally every item/champion they've nerfed right after release Cough Cough Xin Zhao Cough Cough, because their testing was that good. The list will go on for days btw. But if that's just happenstance or irrelevant let's look at something more logical and serious.
Back a year ago or so, if I said I wanted to play as a solo player with 4 others (not grouped or coordinated in the slightest) in Ranked Teams, you'd say I'm crazy. It would never be something most players would ever want to do because it's essentially you throwing LP away. Yeah, that's a wonderful plan. Let's force everyone to do it against their will, because this is what a good competitive game looks like.
Let's take a look as to why the system was created. Friends!!! Oh boy, I can't wait to decimate the enemy with my 4 "friends" from "school." Wow, I'm going to get to diamond in no time, it's like they're not even trying to stop us from winning. Oh buddy, I love this new system, it's so easy to manipulate. You mentioned problems in SoloQ, yea remember when boosting was illegal? Good times..... This is just a culmination of giving people "what they think they want" without worrying about the consequences.
Finally, if the system could work at even a 50% intelligence rate that would be pretty decent all things considered. If no-one abused the system it would work, if there were no 4 man teams the system would work. If there was no DQ at Gold+ the system would work. So many "Ifs" but there are too many "buts" as a result. You may say soloQ had it's issues, and you're right, but the issues there were nothing compared to the current unsolvable problems that plague DQ.
Rambling, mildly incoherent, but the point of DQ being of terrible design to cope with "friends/Elo Boosters" is disgusting at it's core. It's great that you have friends an all, but in a competitive scenario, even in real life you'd likely pick the best people whether they're your friends or not.
(If you had to play basketball with a dream team, you'd probably pick Lebron or Shaq back in the day, not your classmate who's just pretty good.) The system is terrible, stop defending a retarded pony, putting it down is the best solution for everyone.
yosephX121 votesRiot uses the use of the DQ system as evidence that people like it. Personally I don't like it at all past the champion select that came with it. However I decided right before it was released, I was going to try to climb this season. Which I've been finding harder and harder that more pre-mades I've played against.
I think the easiest way to solve all of this crap on both sides, make a damn poll. RIGHT ON THE FRONT OF THE DAMN LAUNCHER. Alright job done, we can all go home now. But for whatever reason, riot can't just program a poll that takes probably 5 minutes at most due to the information already existing.
You just contradicted yourself. You mentioned that you "decided right before it was released, I was going to try to climb this season.", which suggests you never really played ranked before. Then said "Which I've been finding harder and harder that more pre-mades I've played against." If you've never really played ranked and tried to climb before, how do you know it's harder this season because of pre-mades?
LatetotheRace2 votesNo, you made a terrible assumption by trying to gap unknown data. I had played quite a bit of ranked 2 seasons ago, but had had little success due to my previous skill level. I spent last season really honing my skills and learning how to be successful, and I've done pretty well as a result. But if you can't recognize that premades in the most basic sense are inherently broken, then there will be no way to logic with you any further.
The coordination and heavy camping a single lane receives is more than enough evidence. Even at gold, players who play like this shouldn't be here. Quite a few of the groups I play with use better tactics than their rank would suggest, this far into the season would imply smurfing and subsequent boosting.
Gimpy8916 votesFUCK dynamic que or boosted que
t0ad514 votesRiot's infinite wisdom provides you with a solution: just don't play. Not a fan of them anymore.
Der Lindwurm13 votesThat's probably why they won't make solo queue available
Who in their right mind would ever do dynamic queue anymore if it were?
Tobias Brackner8 votesIt doesn't matter either way. I've never noticed playing with a premade or against a premade.
Zoeeee6 votesWe should build a trump wall around dynamic que. Make ranked great again.
McKeifus4 votesAnd make Premades pay for it!
Zedex6 votesYou children seemed to have no problem having duo's heavily skew games in the original cancer queue. Don't cry that they removed your tilting playground. Learn to play as a team, and get teammates to play with if its such a big problem having premades on your team. The real League of Legends experience is team play, not solo where everyone runs around like a chicken with their heads cut off, trying to be the best.
Karma Deified5 votesGet bludgeoned to death a hero or live long enough to become a premade.
statelesskiller4 votesdynamic queue where the better premade wins. and if your the only solo player your in it for the ride
Invictus Unbent3 votesUpvoted & signed.
BRING BACK SOLO QUEUE
Dr Birdie1 votesYou keep copy-pasting on every thread and I have already told you how that makes you look like a shitposter.
What I want to inform you of now is that there isn't a SoloQ to bring back. There never was a SoloQ. There was Solo/Duo Queue which was heavily populated almost entirely by Duos, so it was closer to Dynamic Queue than the idyllic SoloQ that people are touting on the boards.
So, I am sorry, but you cannot bring back that which has never existed.
Invictus Unbent1 votesI don't know why you would require me to analyze and elaborate each and every time why I believe in what I believe. I have done that plenty of times. People have done that plenty of times. The arguments are there, clear and concise, hitting Riot in the face yet they choose to ignore them. The only thing that I can do is be vocal about what I believe in and hope that in my own way, eventually I'll be enough of a pain and somehow motivate other people too in order to be heard. Sorry if you don't approve or appreciate that.
As for the new so called "argument" that you are bringing to the table, about solo queue always being solo/duo, I don't really know if you're saying that to troll or if you seriously expect me to analyze that solo/duo was always labeled "solo" just for convenience and that duos are not nearly as bad as 3 and 4 man premades. Do you expect me to elaborate why? No, there's a thing called logic, use it.
Dr Birdie1 votesIt is a little hard to see but the options listed are: Normal Blind Pick, Normal Draft Pick, Ranked Solo/Duo Draft Pick, and Ranked Teams Draft Pick.
It was always labeled as Solo/Duo.
However I was not saying anything about labeling, I was saying that all of the people complaining on the boards are saying they want "Solo Queue back," so that they can play as 5 solo vs 5 solo. Which was probably only about 5% of games in the old system.
And I am using logic, but logically, when there is a team of a 3-man premade and two solo players, versus a 3-man premade and two solo players, neither team has any advantage whatsoever due to premades.
And don't say some stupid shit like "oh, but it's usually 4 and 1 vs a duo and three solos," because it isn't. Riot has already stated that the system matches up the premades fairly 98% of the time.
And don't try and use the "differing MMRs" excuse either because that can be debunked when you look at the fact that player skill level is relatively the same from Bronze V to Gold V, and then at plat V you start to only be allowed to queue with players within three divisons of you.
Fovere2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yieh8YLE,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-20T13:58:08.636+0000)
It is a little hard to see but the options listed are: Normal Blind Pick, Normal Draft Pick, Ranked Solo/Duo Draft Pick, and Ranked Teams Draft Pick.
It was always labeled as Solo/Duo.
However I was not saying anything about labeling, I was saying that all of the people complaining on the boards are saying they want "Solo Queue back," so that they can play as 5 solo vs 5 solo. Which was probably only about 5% of games in the old system.
And I am using logic, but logically, when there is a team of a 3-man premade and two solo players, versus a 3-man premade and two solo players, neither team has any advantage whatsoever due to premades.
And don't say some stupid shit like "oh, but it's usually 4 and 1 vs a duo and three solos," because it isn't. Riot has already stated that the system matches up the premades fairly 98% of the time.
And don't try and use the "differing MMRs" excuse either because that can be debunked when you look at the fact that player skill level is relatively the same from Bronze V to Gold V, and then at plat V you start to only be allowed to queue with players within three divisons of you.
The point is that its destabilizing to play with any premades. It's not about advantage or disadvantage to the solo player. One game you will have advantage, the other you won't. It doesn't matter if the premade #s match up, because, aside from differences in role preference, you end up on either side of the equation an equal amount.
But it's not fun to be the odd man out. Nor does it give an accurate representation of your ability, which is the whole purpose of the ladder.
There is absolutely no justification for dynamic queue with respect to stable, competitive gameplay. Dynamic queue already existed, it was callled normal draft. They could have publicized the mmrs for normal/draft mode and it would have been the same game mode
Dr Birdie1 votesHow is it not competitive?
Invictus Unbent1 votesI dislike dynamic queue for ranked play because there will always be an asterisk next to that ranking. Did you get there yourself or did you get there as part of a group or three or four or five? These aren't the same styles of play, and don't reflect the same skill levels.
Say you've been playing with friends the entire time, and have finally reached Diamond with them. As a group, your elo is there, at Diamond. You've been playing against other groups (according to Riot) and so have risen through the "group" metagame. Try playing Shaco or Nasus or Darius against a communicating, focused group. You'll quickly become useless. Many of these champions don't work like they do in a true solo queue, because they're very easy to shut down and kite together.
So now that you're diamond, you figure you want to try to go even higher by yourself - but now you're not in a group, you're alone. The metagame is different, and more importantly, the games are different. If you're actually at the diamond or higher skill level, you won't see much change. However, if you're actually low-platinum in level, you'll find yourself getting crushed by superior skill and you will find it much harder to survive and get carrier by your higher-skilled friends. You'll drop in elo as a solo player.
True Solo Queue doesn't have this asterisk. You get to an elo by your own skill, and not by that of others. If you solo in Dynamic, you still run the possibility of playing with and against groups of three or four, and that asterisk remains, only it's even more convoluted now - solo queue style and team style are merging into the same game? It doesn't work. For the sake of competitive integrity, I dislike dynamic queue as a ranked system. It's a ranking that won't mean anything. I think the system is absolutely fine for normal play, and should be actively encouraged in that department, but for ranked laddering it's honestly an insult to solo players. It says, you're not worth our time. Only groups.
The biggest problem is that currently all of the solo players and the group players are currently forced into the one queue. I personally just want to play solo queue to prove my skill level. I'm fine playing with friends and carrying/getting carried, but it's not how I want to be judged. I want to be judged by my skill, not my friends'.
Dr Birdie1 votesSo the only way to judge real skill is through solo play. Alright I get that. That does explain why the LCS is solo players vs solo players instead of teams that play together every game. Because working together and communicating are not skills that are indicative of your ability to lead or assist.
That was sarcasm by the way.
The reasons you gave have no problem with your show of solo skill though. If you have been playing solo you do not have that asterisk.
And what you are describing is not how competition stacks up. It is how well you are able to stroke your own ego.
KarmasPolice1 votesSo what you are saying that a system that allows you to climb as 5 and then let you play at this new shining ELO solo(if so you choose) and ** feed your ass off**(and ruin the game to 9 other players) is a logical system.
I want a prescription to what your taking, it must be good.
Just to elaborate, having the ability to play solo and play as 5 on the same rank, is like saying that since I can drive a car I can now drive a tank.
Fovere2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yieh8YLE,comment-id=000b0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-20T18:40:15.984+0000)
So the only way to judge real skill is through solo play. Alright I get that. That does explain why the LCS is solo players vs solo players instead of teams that play together every game. Because working together and communicating are not skills that are indicative of your ability to lead or assist.
That was sarcasm by the way.
The reasons you gave have no problem with your show of solo skill though. If you have been playing solo you do not have that asterisk.
And what you are describing is not how competition stacks up. It is how well you are able to stroke your own ego.
Your argument is self-defeating.
LCS is team vs team, which is one of the ranked queue options that have now been taken away to feed dynamic queue.
We didn't just lose solo queue, where the vast majority of players, who don't have the time or inclination to practice as part of a formal team, have a chance to test themselves.
We also lost ranked teams, the only place a group of people could get together and practice as a team. Which, by the way, is not the same as communication or teamwork. You don't need to be part of a premade group to learn how to communicate or work as a team, in fact, solo queue would work better for that since it forces you to learn to work with -different- people, rather than just learn how to handle a few of your friends and be done with it.
Now you just have one big great blob, dynamic queue, which is no different from normal draft mode, except that the ELO/MMR is funneled into League Points and you have a visible standing.
There is no argument that can be made for the use of dynamic queue to replace solo and team ranked from the standpoint of game quality or competition.
Which is why we see the kind of nonsense that you're spouting. The game is meant to be played as a team. Yes, as a team. 5 people, not 3 + 1 + 1.
That's not a team, that's a group and two extras. We lost teams to make dynamic queue, remember?
