Is there a reason why leblancs ethereal chains range is 865 with a tether of 925?

Eyesack·Oct 28, 2018·119 votes·19,976 views

Meanwhile on a less mobile champion the chain is MUCH harder to land, 800 range, with a decreasing tether of 650?

I know they are completely different champions, but why is leblancs E just allowed to be as overpowered as it is when she has a double dash that can go over walls that she can also port back to?

Also please dont bother mentioning that you can dodge it. if the leblanc is good she w's directly on top of you and it is 100% guaranteed to land.

EDIT: forgot a word [zombie-brand-facepalm]

91 Comments

ORlANNAGRANDEOct 28, 2018102 votes

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Velzard of KozOct 28, 201886 votes

Classic misdirection

ned the kledOct 29, 20184 votes

you're basically saying kled's dick gets smaller as he goes further into the... thing...?

HethaleanOct 28, 201831 votes

So it's impossible to actually break the tether when thinking about the absolute horrible link detection code. You can flash it, but still get rooted if you flash in the last .25 seconds.

5050BSOct 29, 201814 votes

Yep. IF she hits you she is the only one who will break it. You have no choice.

Sire HippingtonOct 29, 20182 votes

depends on the mobillity of your champ...

Votable JesterOct 30, 20181 votes

It really needs to check the range more often. The number of times you're out of range but it fails to register is super frustrating.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 29, 201815 votes

Yeah. LB's tether range is insanely fucking huge.

I should be able to flash out of it if she W>E>Ws, or it hits at mid-range. Yet you can't even do that.

FilDaFunkOct 29, 20182 votes

Why should you be able to flash out of it? Why can't you flash or dodge the initial skillshot?

DuskDaUmbreonOct 29, 201818 votes

It's almost like she can WR on top of me from 3 walls over and make her E impossible to dodge.

FilDaFunkOct 29, 20183 votes

So she just used her 2 good damage spells to help her aim chain?

DuskDaUmbreonOct 29, 20189 votes

She used three of her damaging abilities to deal damage to you with two of them, while the first set up the other two. Looks pretty normal to me.

VerxintOct 29, 20186 votes

Her two good damage spells, as if her chain and Q aren't good damage spells? Not to mention she can hit you with the RW in that combo.

FrostlySparkOct 29, 201814 votes

Im pretty sure leblancs tether range is so long so she's able to go back to her w without the tether getting destroyed instantly

DuskDaUmbreonOct 29, 20185 votes

It actually is. Tether range is 325 units longer than her W's range. 600 versus 925.

The only way to break it from melee range is for LB to W and either flash or ult after that.

Sire HippingtonOct 29, 20186 votes

which doesn't make it fine. The whole reason she has that tether mechanic is so she has to trade damage+CC for the savety of an instand W-recast. If She can get both without much tradeoff, it gets problematic.

I think LB would feel alot fairer to face if her tether range would go down to ~650 over the duration, similar to kled. That way she really has to commit for full value.

ChaddyFantomeOct 29, 201810 votes

Riot likes how Bullshit Lebs chain is. Back before the revert, people said that the thing that needs to be nerfed about her was her chain, only for Riot to repeatedly nerf literally everything else about her. I can only imagine it is because its the only real linear skillshot in her kit.

Ozzie StormOct 28, 20188 votes

I know they are completely _different _ champions

FTFY [slayer-jinx-wink]

FilDaFunkOct 29, 20188 votes

The range on her tether is such a small part of her kit and the snare doesn't even last long. Kled's q goes through minions, LB's doesn't. LB doesn't have AAs to damage the champ after her snare lands, while Kled is an AD champs with an AS steroid. Consider teamfights, LB isn't meant to stay inside the fight, so she moves around the edges.

kargishOct 29, 20186 votes

Since when did Kled's Q snare people?

Baron of BreadOct 29, 20181 votes

True, Kled's displaces (then slows) them which is a much stronger form of CC.

kargishOct 29, 20185 votes

Everything is relative mate.

40%-60% slow for 1.75 seconds plus a minor pull versus 1.5 seconds root. Personally I'd go with the root any day.

And let's not forget LB can choose to send out 2 of these roots if she so desires.

SwiftKitten88Oct 28, 20187 votes

not to mention she doesn't have a snap-back limiter like Zed does with his shadows forcing him to stay there for at least 1 second

SangreDeNocheOct 29, 20185 votes

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not to mention she doesn't have a snap-back limiter like does with his shadows forcing him to stay there for at least 1 second

She did but they took it back because "hurr durr if the nerfs from the rework aren't keeping her in check we might as well let her go back to old leblanc so she's more fun."

2Charmnot2CharmOct 31, 20181 votes

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not to mention she doesn't have a snap-back limiter like does with his shadows forcing him to stay there for at least 1 second

Actually Zed doesn't have that restriction on his ult anymore, I found that out the hard way.

Edit: nvm, i guess I was seeing things when zed kept instantly swapping shadows that game weeks ago.

Daddy AntsOct 29, 20187 votes

No champion has a dash capable of breaking a 925 range tether.

Flash isn't long enough to break it either.

Literally the only way out is using an unstoppable ultimate like Sion or Malphite.

Rathar DashingOct 29, 20182 votes

Camille Fizz Zac

TerozuOct 29, 20181 votes

also Amumu Ezreal Katarina Rakan

more if u count ultimates.

Daddy AntsOct 29, 20184 votes

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By the time Zac has charged his E long enough to cover that distance the chain has detonated.

Chain will likely detonate before camille is out of range with her E too.

Rathar DashingOct 29, 20182 votes

I was mentioning champs with more invulns/unstoppables, you invalid

1HLuxiereOct 31, 20181 votes

I'm pretty sure invuls doesn't stop you from getting rooted, once the tether connects. You have to dodge the original chain.

Z3SleeperOct 29, 20186 votes

Yeah the tether should just be +200 range from where she cast it from.

This would buff long range chain hits and nerf W -> E.

SanKakUOct 29, 20181 votes

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Z3SleeperOct 29, 20186 votes

? Why is that? She still has to maintain the tether for the snare. This is a massive nerf to point blank W -> E cuz it changes it from 925 range to 200-300 range.

Based on your other comment, I think you are just confused as to how her tether works. Mind explaining what you think it does?

SanKakUOct 29, 20181 votes

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Z3SleeperOct 29, 20184 votes

Nothing changes the snare time. It's a static 1.5 seconds. Dunno where you got that from.

Meep ManOct 29, 20185 votes

LB is ranged and expected to stay at a range much further away than Kled.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 29, 20185 votes

The tether range is still massive even considering her being ranged, and she often goes into melee range as well (Due to her W).

She can't physically break it with her own dash from melee range. Her own dash isn't long enough to let her break her own tether.

Kled's Q can also be escaped by flashing. Flash does jack shit versus LB's tether.

OleandervineOct 29, 20184 votes

I honestly hate LeBlanc's kit for the most part, except for the W and R. The Q and E feel like total filler to me, and I just despise how clunky her chains look and operate. Plus, they don't really feel very "mistress of illusions" to me.

Weiss GuertenaOct 30, 20181 votes

Her chain gives a pretty big illusion to her opponent tho: one that if they get far enough they might be able to break the chain. Which never happens in practice due to insanely long tether range and LB's own mobility... but hey, the break range is just over there. You can do it with 2 or 3 dashes + Flash if LB forgets about W button on her keyboard.

Wert the WackyOct 29, 20183 votes

Because Riot has a boner for her

Marian CrossOct 29, 20182 votes

Riot: we are reworking leblanc due to her old kit having no outplay.

Riot later: shit we need assassins to be op lets change that back

PoskeOct 29, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Marian Cross,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UAhT7iTI,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-10-29T03:41:21.066+0000)

Riot: we are reworking leblanc due to her old kit having no outplay.

Riot later: shit we need assassins to be op lets change that back

Given that I was around 900 lp higher then I am atm with reworked le blanc and I peeked as #1 lb on both old and new LB Reworked lb even post distortion nerf (because they introduced quadraproc accidently) is WAY WAY Stronger then old Le blanc

And old le blanc is way stronger then this reverted le blanc (NOT THE SAME SIMILAR BUT NOT THE SAME)

Just trying to give people some perspective But yeah Gut her All I care she is trash in my eyes atm (Eventho she sees some compettetive play yes even despite that) hopefully she ll be compensated well in future after those nerfs

I hate Azubk for reverting LB and always will

First he ruins Azir then he ruins le blanc for me. Dude literaly singlehandledly lowkey makes me quit this game

Also to the OP I expected karma comparison.

Marian CrossOct 30, 20181 votes

not saying that the current LB is stronger than the reworked one. Just saying that the current LB has a ton less outplay for the people that you are jumping on rather than the reworked LB.

TBH couldnt care how strong she is atm just hate that she can jump over 3 walls. one shot me under tower and port back in a tenth of a sec

PoskeOct 30, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Marian Cross,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UAhT7iTI,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T05:09:28.149+0000)

not saying that the current LB is stronger than the reworked one. Just saying that the current LB has a ton less outplay for the people that you are jumping on rather than the reworked LB.

Nothing you just said makes any sense at all

The only time reverted Le blanc is stronger is before she spends 1050 gold and at levels 2-5. thats the only aspect. And even then her poke QW does only like 10% more damage then reworked WQ and has more counterplay.

Also her AOE damage is easier to pull Off

Her Jumping to assassinate is significantly weaker infact it doesnt exist in current state

But its hard to argue with Boards users when they never faced a good Le blanc If you faced me you would be crying for revert as many have after facing my reworked le blanc

also she isnt reverted she is gutreverted.

zaire90Oct 29, 20182 votes

My guess is it being a way to force her to stay within a certain range of the enemy team if she wants to commit to that snare and late game 1.5 seconds (I believe thats the time is a long time for a squishy champ

IG ZikoOct 29, 20182 votes

Because someone in the balance team likes her.

Agent CorgiOct 30, 20181 votes

Kled & Fiddlestick's tethers got nothing on Leblanc's Tether. Once she tags you with it, you get CC'd & there's no point in flashing or using any mobility spells.