It took them 'til about halfway through the season but they finally dropped the bomb.
Solo queue is never coming back.
The ranked experience will never ever be returned to its former glory: a matchmaking system that worked.
GG solo players.
Praetor Don152 votesI've spent about 6k on league up until dynamic queue was implemented. I've spent zero since then.
iamthegoatofwar40 votesi never spent money on riot cause they don't listen to the playerbase. They can claim all they want, but im certain of the fact that people prefer solo que for more challenging and skillful play. The reason the "majority" want it is cause this allows them to be boosted by their friends much easier.
Praetor Don59 votesi never spent money on riot cause they don't listen to the playerbase. They can claim all they want, but im certain of the fact that people prefer solo que for more challenging and skillful play. The reason the "majority" want it is cause this allows them to be boosted by their friends much easier.
There was a time they did listen...
macromite13 votesI too vaguely remember those times. Then they realized that for the most part we don't know shit. obligatory skarner rework allusion.
TurquoiseYoshi20 votesobligatory "the players didn't break Skarner, Riot just doesn't understand us"
Rockm Sockm88 votesI wouldn't believe any of these numbers for one second.
All they ever talk about is diamond to master tier. Like 99% of the playerbase gives a shit about that.
They pretend everything is completely find below diamond. Ranked is the only thing that kept me logging in every single day. The drive to get better at any aspect of the game, from game to game.
I no longer set mini-goals to work on. I simply stopped carrying about DQ.
LA Losty7 votesIm honestly glad that they changed it in Diamond+. Now there can only be solos, duos and trios in Diamond. Earlier they made it so you can only play with people within 2 divisions of your rank in Diamond. Despite that i like these changes, i also have 2 very big issues with this. First of all, when and where are we allowed to play with our team in a competitive environment? And secondly, why not balance it out in all leagues, rather than just in Diamond and above, how is it fair that a Platinum 1 can duo with a Gold 5?
ModAcademy Kayn82 votesSo, while you focus on the fact Solo Que is dead (Big Surprise, never saw that coming), you ignore everything they're trying to improve. They know that a lot of it is F**ked up, and they are working towards fixing that.
They're going to balance out those who constantly get support as a role, they're going to keep balancing out premades and Solo players so one doesn't have an advantage, and balancing out MMR to stop unfair matches between different Ranks. Sure, focus on the single highlighted fact, that everyone knew anyway, and ignore how they'll continue to try and improve Matchmaking so it's fair for all, even making sure to be a lot more clear with the community.
The Queen Viper90 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
ModAcademy Kayn49 votesSo, instead of saying "You're wrong", tell me why. You don't provide a valid argument, nothing I can argue back against, so tell me why.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/56502356f03485fd4b556dd90f54b2ac/tumblr_inline_nv3e8gR8eQ1rgcqb0_500.gif
The Queen Viper41 votesAs long as solo players are drawn from the same pool as premades, the system will remain broken and imbalanced. They need to be separated.
A Miss Fortune19 votesThe main thing I believe is that it ruins the whole concept of having a ranking system. Your rank is designed to show how well you perform as an individual player, but when everyone can easily get into a 5 man premade and all play for their own individual rank, the system loses any value behind it. Now your rank usually just means how well you do in a premade/team.
The worst part is that in Season 5 we already had ways to rank our individual skill and our premade-team performance at the same time. They threw that away and basically ignored solo queue players.
HowPlayGAEM18 votesThey're going to balance out those who constantly get support as a role, they're going to keep balancing out premades and Solo players so one doesn't have an advantage, and balancing out MMR to stop unfair matches between different Ranks.
Dynamic queue + champ select launched in January.
It is now JUNE.
Riot is still saying what they're "going to do" despite the fact that its been half a year and nothing has changed.
Right now, a support main has a 95% chance of getting his role, while a mid main has only a 55% shot at getting hers. Different combinations of roles also vary quite a bit. For example, if a mid main is a support secondary, she’ll end up mid only around 16% of the time.
RoodToob8 votesNot gonna agree or disagree, just want to point out that Solo/Duo was out for 5 years and people still had some complaints. 6 months is nothing in comparison
WoonStruck20 votesWhat was the complaint about solo/duo, outside of duos?
The only thing that needed to be done is removing duos.
Boom, Solo Queue is fixed.
However, Riot didn't listen on that front either. That said, Duo Queues weren't complained about that often.
Every other complaint was a complaint with League in general, not just ranked.
9kPluzZ4 votesPeople complained alot about how difficult it was to climb out of low elo ranking in soloque. A WHOLE lot. Riot fixed this with dynamic que, for the vast majority of players( 90%) who are Gold 3 or lower and for the most part have very little problems with DQ.
WoonStruck18 votesGasp!
So you're saying we should take Starcraft and make the ranking system easy to climb without someone actually having to improve so they can feel like a special snowflake?
That sounds like a great idea!
/s
It just waters down the game. It killed non-professional competition.
ZeeWolfZ3 votesit's difficult because they are garbage. Simple really.
I've climbed through bronze 5 to plat on 6 accounts under 7 days on each.
Majority of league of legend players are just really, really, really bad.
9kPluzZ1 votesIts more that 10% of the player-base is better than average. The question is, why is riot wrong for catering to 90% of their playerbase?
ZeeWolfZ8 votesThe top 10% are the players who made League of Legends what it is now. They are the ones who introduced different mechanics, built the structure of competitive play, and are role-models in a sense.
Then riot redefined what ranked and personal competitive score meant in their failed new Ranked System that they have been fixing it since the release.
They throw around raw numbers but never official numbers.
They've also discussed "fairness" of matchmaking. Sure, you get two teams: 5 solo Queue with 2k MMR and 5 premade with 2k MMR. What is there fair about it? You have a team who knows each other's weaknesses and strengths, has a 3rd party instant communication device, and who trust each other. Then you have 5 randoms who know nothing and just go in blindfolded. In these scenarios, premade should face 2300+ MMR players, because of the heavy disadvantages solo queue players have.
Are they wrong for catering to one group? Absolutely. Unfortunately, you cannot balance out Casual Players with Competitive players. These are two different categories and should be treated differently.
Is it fair? Yes. If you want to join the top 10%, you should prove yourself.
If you fail, why should you be rewarded?
B14ckman16 votesFirst, they came like "Hey we want you to play with your friends on ranked DESPITE it's already possible with ranked 5 v 5 teams and a very high percent of people dislikes playing with or against 2men premades, but yeah, have this"
"Oh shit queues on high elo literally gone mad, oh well let's just remove this feature from that elo then"
"Oh it seems that a lot of people who disliked being against premades are now even more mad because they are solo against a group of 3-4-5 people that communicate and coordinate much better due to obvious reasons... WELL FUCK YOU."
IS this enough?
DeAmascus4 votes^ this... I can't even BEGIN to tell you how many times I've been up against 3-4-5's and just gave up. Not to mention that those people playing together, are usually on each other's dick only and don't give a fuck about the randoms that are on their team even if going and helping them, could win the game sometimes.
vampirekid1334 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TXg6XecE,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-05-31T22:05:16.945+0000)
So, while you focus on the fact Solo Que is dead (Big Surprise, never saw that coming), you ignore everything they're trying to improve. They know that a lot of it is F**ked up, and they are working towards fixing that.
They're going to balance out those who constantly get support as a role, they're going to keep balancing out premades and Solo players so one doesn't have an advantage, and balancing out MMR to stop unfair matches between different Ranks. Sure, focus on the single highlighted fact, that everyone knew anyway, and ignore how they'll continue to try and improve Matchmaking so it's fair for all, even making sure to be a lot more clear with the community.
its like trying to fix the flat earth theory. theres only one way to fix it, and its the exact opposite of what its supposed to be.
BestTristMyHaus21 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TXg6XecE,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-05-31T22:05:16.945+0000)
So, while you focus on the fact Solo Que is dead (Big Surprise, never saw that coming), you ignore everything they're trying to improve. They know that a lot of it is F**ked up, and they are working towards fixing that.
They actually say in the video that their TOP priority now will be fixing things for high ELO. ... So yeah, they're basically saying everyone NOT high ELO is boned. And even for High ELO, their prioritizing "less toxicity" over "fairness" apparently, since that's the ONLY "improvement" over SoloQ they could provide.
pulledchicken78 voteswell its easy brothers!
#FUCKLEAGUE
im out Riot u fucked ur Game right there.
Ahristocats25 votesIf 10 millions of players leave league, will riot finally listen?
Miror B39 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TXg6XecE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-05-31T22:12:59.571+0000)
If 10 millions of players leave league, will riot finally listen?
If that many people leave league, then they'll probably just rename it to "warcraft" and noone will notice. [slayer-jinx-wink]
Vistha Kai40 votesAs a guy who played this game since 2012, there exists only one truth about Riot.
They will never revert something, that went to live servers.
AhmCha1 votesDominion, Devourer, Magus, every champion that's been reworked, DFG, Feral Flare, Juggernaut...I get what you're saying but they've done that plenty of times.
Vistha Kai3 votesDominion -> featured mode Sated Devourer -> Guinsoo's Rageblade Magus -> reworked multiple times, that isn't revert "Every champion that's been reworked" -> What? DFG -> what^2? [...]
Wait, do you even know what "to revert" means?
Faceroll Tactics4 votesre·vert. [riˈvərt] VERB 1. (revert to)
return to (a previous state, condition, practice, etc.): "he reverted to his native language"
They never revert, they just paddle further down shit creek while finding a way to implement it somewhere else. I lose more and more faith in this stupid company every day. I haven't played ranked for a month, it's not worth my time.
archerno132 votesHopefully annoying threads will stop now.
Nilok37 votesYep, less people to make annoying threads.
I'm curious see how much queue times/quality improve with a smaller player base in ranked.
Mandaari31 votesWTF that argument doesn't even make sense. Solo queue doesn't limit competitive league to solo play, it just makes it a subset of the greater competitive scene. Riot, we don't just want solo queue back. We want solo queue AND the full 5s queue back.
s LessThanThree28 votesLegitimately F U C K Riot Games as a company.
From a business perspective, they violate nearly every concept of good business practice when it comes to customer service. They know they make a product that can't be replaced, so they treat us players like dirt.
Riot is like a spoiled, snotty, rich art student. They will ask for criticism, then when it is given they will reply "Oh that's nice, but my way is better anyway" and they force feed you the shit that they concocted no matter what.
Ultimately, trying to participate in bettering the game is useless, because Riot WILL ONLY listen to the responses it WANTS to hear. The voices that stand out against their agenda will be ignored.
I sincerely hope that in the coming years a game far better than LoL will come out and fiscally drive Riot into the ground if it keeps up this behavior.
The reason being: this is simply not how you treat your loyal fans and your customers. The people who have invested time and money into your service should be treated with at least a bit more respect. Bad business practice does not end well in the long term, and it won't end well for Riot when true competition appears in the market.
therealdragon26 votesCorrection, they said fuck you to about 10k players. 3k of which are on the boards, 3k of which are lurking on the boards, 3k of which are on reddit, and 1k of them are lurking on reddit. Or the other 1k are high elo, whichever u prefer :)
And I'm being generous
(I know I'll be downvoted but c'mon you know it all to be true. There was even a survey saying "Do you like DQ?" and I doubt all players said no and they made that decision anyway)
KONO RUBICK DA58 votesCorrection, they said fuck you to about 10k players. 3k of which are on the boards, 3k of which are lurking on the boards, 3k of which are on reddit, and 1k of them are lurking on reddit. Or the other 1k are high elo, whichever u prefer :)
And I'm being generous
(I know I'll be downvoted but c'mon you know it all to be true. There was even a survey saying "Do you like DQ?" and I doubt all players said no and they made that decision anyway)
if you learned some stats in school, you know that in a random pool of something with A BIG NUMBER OF PERSON, if 80% of the pool has a thing, then no matter how you extend the pool 80% of the popolution will still have the same thing
if 90% of board+reddit players hate Dynamic garbage, then 90% (nearly) of lol players will hate it.
edit: HOLLY SHIT PEOPLE DOWNVOTING ME GET THE FUCK OUT HERE AND GO TO SCHOOL ALREADY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers
" According to the law, the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials should be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed"
Narasimha23 votesIf you learned psychology, you know that the vocal minority is not even close to the content majority. The majority doesn't have anything to say because they don't need to say anything. They're satisfied, after all.
Hell, 90% of board + reddit users isn't even 10% of the entire League community. Even throwing out the consideration that the same people use both sites, at BEST you can say "10% of all League players are visibly upset." And that's not much at all.
KONO RUBICK DA12 votesit isn't, but since you cannot know if someone like DQ or not, IT IS A RANDOM EXPERIMENT
which means: OH YEA IT FOLLOW THE LAW OF GREAT NUMBERS ROFL
Sightless6616 votesIT IS A RANDOM EXPERIMENT
Like fucking hell it is. The boards are not a random sample. Reddit is not a random sample. This is a textbook example of selection bias. This sample would never fly in a real statistical analysis.
therealdragon7 votesif you learned some stats in school, you know that in a random pool of something if 80% of the pool has a thing, then no matter how you extend the pool 80% of the popolution will still have the same thing
if 90% of board+reddit players hate Dynamic garbage, then 90% (nearly) of lol players will hate it.
Ok I liked the other reply. This one is just plain illogical though.
Just because say 8000/10000 people on the boards don't like DQ doesn't mean that 48m/60m people don't like it. (Let's be generous and say 7m people quit).
Now if, say, 100k people got surveyed on the client and 80k explicitly said they hated DQ, then they'd probably keep solo Q. But 10k people (and again, we're being generous) wouldn't be a large enough sample size to represent 60m people.
ACENOX7 votesriot consider that "big number" is over 500, since lyte used this stat when he was talking about number of games
which means that 8000/10000 is really big
Sightless6620 votesif 90% of board+reddit players hate Dynamic garbage, then 90% (nearly) of lol players will hate it.
The boards and the Reddit community are not a random sample of League players. They are a subset of the population that comes to a forum to talk about the game, when most players don't ever do that. If you want the opinions of a random sample of League players, than you can't take it from a group that already has a significant difference from the general League population.
To get a representative sample, you take the sample randomly from the group itself. You don't take it from an already non representative subset of that group.
Ahristocats6 votessince when talking on a forum influence your opinion on Dynamic queue?
Sightless6613 votesA more important question is "why do people come to the boards and post here?" The vast majority of League players don't and never will. Some players do come here and post, and that makes them different. That by itself is enough to say the group isn't representative. On that alone, I can say that taking the boards to represent the general League population is statistically invalid. People come here for quite a few reasons, and assuming those reasons are shared among the League population in general is invalid.
However, your question is important, and it does have an answer. When people go on the Boards, what do they see? Probably something like "Zed sucks" "Dynamic Queue sucks" "Fizz sucks", etc (I'm not taking any sides on these issues, I'm just using them as examples). These show up all the time, and almost more importantly, opinions disagreeing with them are almost universally downvoted and ridiculed. This means that the forum promotes a very homogenous view, and they are hostile to any views that are not the majority here.
Basically, if I actually thought that Dynamic Queue was a good thing or that Fizz was a well designed champion (and again, I'm just using these as examples), I'd maybe post here once before I got shouted down and insulted. If I said that I hated dynamic queue and that Fizz needs to be nerfed into oblivion, I'd get praise and people would agree with me. That encourages more posting.
The boards are designed to only show one opinion. They are not favorable to representing the beliefs of everyone in League. They represent the members of the Boards. Nothing more. When the guy I responded to tried to use statistics to say that the boards represented the League population, he was dead wrong.
tl;dr: This is nothing more than sampling bias. The entire argument and conclusion is invalid because he has selected a nonrepresentative sample.
APrinnyDood8 votes"random pool"
You know, I'm pretty sure that a forum isn't a form of random sampling. In fact, I know for a fact that taking polls from preexisting groups like forums and calling them representative is a major fucking "DO NOT DO" for social psychology. Taking a small, voluntary group and calling it representative is the kind of thing that would laughed at in academia.
Taking the opinion of the Boards on anything and calling it representative of the League population is like polling members of the Republican National Committee and saying that their opinions are representative of the U.S. population. You've selected a group that doesn't represent the population.
Erockandroll7 votesif you learned some stats in school, you know that in a random pool of something if 80% of the pool has a thing, then no matter how you extend the pool 80% of the popolution will still have the same thing
if 90% of board+reddit players hate Dynamic garbage, then 90% (nearly) of lol players will hate it.
the Accuracy of Surveys can be broken down to a measurement of "Margin of Error" and "confidence" (Also, I don't think Probability and stats are tought that in depth until the college level, so not everyone will know this.) "Margin of Error" is the % that it's off by. and the confidence is the probability that the actual value is within that margin of Error.
I don't have the formula for you, but I looked up a calculator, (spoiler alert, your kinda right.) I think for a population of 10 million, you would only need to sample 2k to have a value that has a 99% confidence rating of being within a 3% margin of Error. So if out of 2000 people, 90% of them said they hated Dynamic Q. There's a 99% chance that the real value is between 87%-93%.
There is just one problem where this experiment would break down. (Which could very well be the case.) Not everyone goes to boards. And the people who are on Boards, may not accurately represent the population. People on boards would tend to socialize more, and a likely more competitive if they are trying to stay on top of their game. Especially so With Game play and balance, as people are quick to address grievances.
As a result, Boards does not offer the random sampling that is needed to make this experiment accurate. If you wanted random sampling, you would issue the survey within the client to say. 10,000 people who logged in.
eastcoastblaze22 votesWell its been a fun ride boys. We're about to witness the fall of league. My friends list has already been destroyed by dynamic queue. Time i go with them
bourbonowns16 votesThis pushed me to finally buy Overwatch. I'm just fucking around against bots right now, learning to play but it looks polished and fun. I have been playing League since Xin Zhao released and I loved it, but Season 6 is so fucking retarded and ass backwards and it's not looking to get any better.
Fucking Riot. I have absolutely no idea how this game went from fine to absolute shit in less than a year. The ridiculous Season 6 balance changes and remakes of champions that didn't need them were already pushing me towards the edge. Then the obvious favoritism for certain champs (hello Lucian, Ekko, Zed), and this here was the final nail in the coffin.
Good job Riot. Maybe one day you will learn you actually have to listen to the people that play your game and give you money, but when you pull your heads out of your asses, it will be far too late.
League of Legends, 2010-2016 RIP, your incompetent leadership drove you into the ground.
I hope the rest of you do the same and vote with your wallets, and / or quit for good. This company needs a fucking wake-up call.
