When an udyr runs at you with 600 movespeed, stuns your ass and mauls you for all your hp in 5 seconds while you hopelessy run away, try playing a melee champion top against ranged and getting poked and denied for 5-10 minutes and then the second you try to engage you get ganked.
Shit goes both ways man.
Saianna8 votesYesterdays game:
Me - Tryndamere + statikk + merc boots (somewhere 420 speed) Enemy - Vayne + PD + bots of swiftness (430'ish ms?)
Overall even though her raw MS is faster, thanks to my Mocking Shout i manage to rub some nice blows in her face. And then it strats.
Q-AA-E-(afte this part I realize i was just tossed away by tristanas ultimate and most likely stunned by poppys charge on wall that wasn't there a second ago and I have no way to catch her up)-AA-Q-AA-Q-AA-Q-AA
And suddenly she's faster than Rammus with all the speed buffs.
After that I realized something very, very important. Tryndamere isn't about chasing ADCs. He's about trying to run away from them and hit everything else.
Hayaishi22 votes"ranged champions" Means Gnar, Graves and Quinn, 2 of them are busted and the other one makes the lane unplayable if he's strong.
It's not the same.
Slythion17 votesThere are so many ranged champions that can top (assuming we are talking about top because of Udyr). I'm surprised you only thought of those 3, let me help you:
And this doesn't even cover the champions that use abilities to poke from afar like:
and there are many more that can simply deny him farm (despite being melee) because of their strong matchups:
(yes Yorick can bully early in certain matchups) 
The point of this is not only to show that you can't just sweep away a legitimate point to insert a comment about your hated champs, but to show that Udyr does take legitimate skill in lane and he has a rocky road to reach the Godyr state we all fear
MunchCrunchLunch2 votessince when does jax and mundo have strong early game. wtf
charcharmunro3 votesMundo had a strong early-game for a while after they buffed his E. The nerfs to it brought him back to late-game, though.
Slythion1 votesI miss being able to just walk up and wack people and get away with winning a trade :''(
Spaceman5pff4 votesI miss the good ol' days of toplane, where it was always melee vs melee and if u knew how to manipulate creeps and utilize their aggro u could dominate most matchups
Jet Sett3 votesMundo had a strong early-game for a while after they buffed his E. The nerfs to it brought him back to late-game, though.
His trading with Q-E is still really strong early game, not op, but certainly enough to make you consider the trades.
Troll for Trump2 votesHe's still pretty weak pre 6. Something stronger early on would be 
Jet Sett1 votesOh no doubt, I was just saying it's good trading for Mundo most of the time.
CitadelOfIce1 votesThere are so many ranged champions that can top (assuming we are talking about top because of Udyr). I'm surprised you only thought of those 3, let me help you:
And this doesn't even cover the champions that use abilities to poke from afar like:
and there are many more that can simply deny him farm (despite being melee) because of their strong matchups:
The point of this is not only to show that you can't just sweep away a legitimate point to insert a comment about your hated champs, but to show that Udyr does take legitimate skill in lane and he has a rocky road to reach the Godyr state we all fear
I would honestly move Jayce to the bully category. Everyone tunnel visions on his cannon. His pattern is cannon poke, hammer fall, auto till you fight back or start to run then hammer blow and back to cannon to tag you in the butt as you try to run away.
The Queen Viper1 votes[deleted]
Slythion41 votesBecause people always have 100% control of their matchups...yup
The Queen Viper3 votes... and that's why you don't pick certain champs blind.
AlwaysByMySide28 votes[{quoted}](name=Snake on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cpWgT9hx,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-04-13T23:49:36.077+0000)
... and that's why you don't pick certain champs blind.
"Don't blind pick melee champions."
lol
The Queen Viper1 votesIt's not rocket science people...
Slythion10 votesThere is a lot more to champ select than trying to avoid a bad matchup, a lottt more
Besides, there's multiple scenarios where you should pick a melee champ in blind pick
Hahahahyena3 votesyes like teamfight countering or needing ap/ad/tank/etc theres too many things you need to think about and if youre just pickinjg a champ only for the sole purpose of lane matchup youre doing champ select wrong if the enemy has multiple champs with gap closers/ high mobility, ofc ill pick someone who can easily lock them down even if that means ill get shit on in lane, as long as my team gets objectives and wins the game ill say thats a job well done
Slythion4 votesI will never understand when people condemn someone for going 0/3 in lane and call them trash. It just shows how ignorant they are to both matchups (in most cases) and the bigger picture that is the team game.
Sure, going 0/3 is bad and makes things difficult, but it's hardly condemn-able considering how there is so much more to the game they could provide in and even comeback in terms of kda during teamfights/skirmishes over objectives
RocketRelm1 votesOr indicative of spillover from other lanes, such as the Jungler camping mid lane, and then the enemy support ALSO camping mid lane because bot lane fed so hard and didn't even ping mia when support annie decided to go MIA for 30+ seconds to gank from NORTH side jungle.
Slythion2 votesI've had an annie rage at me so hard because she gave up first blood and proceeded to go 1/3 in lane (granted I gave her laner ONE kill on a failed gank where she didn't follow up) and she proceeded to follow me around in the jungle to steal my camps.
Of course I dragged her bot lane with me and got her a double kill, because if she is going to follow me the least I can do is get her to gank bot with me. Funny enough, the moment she wasn't "feeding" (even though 1/3 isn't feeding) they stopped being a toxic ass
Melledoneus1 votesMust have been like thise escort missions in other games.
KillerKell3 votesLike going 0-3 Top by 10 Minutes because both Mid and Jungle are diving you under Turret...
but your Mid correctly pushes with Jungle Help and you've got Mid Outer and Dragon for your 0-3 and a 4 Man Dive about to happen in Bot that likely nets 2 Kills and a Turret.
And even when they pull that off, they still fail to realize that you being camped Top made that happen, allowed that Pressure in Mid then Bot to occur.
But more often than not Mid just freezes lane and Jungle farms despite having Warrior and you wonder how your Team doesn't have a single advantage despite 3 being Top all game.
SlaktarTasken1 votesLike going 0-3 Top by 10 Minutes because both Mid and Jungle are diving you under Turret...
but your Mid correctly pushes with Jungle Help and you've got Mid Outer and Dragon for your 0-3 and a 4 Man Dive about to happen in Bot that likely nets 2 Kills and a Turret.
And even when they pull that off, they still fail to realize that you being camped Top made that happen, allowed that Pressure in Mid then Bot to occur.
But more often than not Mid just freezes lane and Jungle farms despite having Warrior and you wonder how your Team doesn't have a single advantage despite 3 being Top all game.
This is the part about toplane that I utterly hate, even those times when you play a strong turret defender like Mao or Voli, and you manage to take 1-2 of those 3 people diving you with you just to find, when you look at the rest of the map, team is fucking playing stallville/farmville.
Those games just break my spirit and I generally give up on defending my lane to roam instead and play for KDA since my team doesn't care about winning anyway, if it leads to a win, fine, if it doesn't, that's just as fine as well for obvious reasons.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesToplane in norms: 3man dives all day but you're still ahead in cs for some reason and possibly getting a bunch of kills. Then you notice your team is falling over like a house of cards. Unreasonable to complain but its kinda cringy
Battlecast Sona1 votesit's like they've never watched lcs, cause you definitely see toplaners go like 0/3 and then hardcarry their teams pretty regularly
Slythion1 votesI haven't even watched much LCS, especially not entire games
Top lane was my original lane so it wasn't a hard concept to grasp, but I'm always surprised when others don't understand opportunities to push
TheThundersRoar36 votes'Certain champs' being every melee without 2+ gapclosers?
The Queen Viper2 votesNo point to play inferior champs unless you want to make things harder for yourself.
Slythion17 votesExcept Udyr is hardly inferior. Why are you trying to convince people not to pick champs if they have a rough early game?
The Queen Viper2 votesExcept Udyr is hardly inferior.
Udyr top is not a thing anymore, however should work just fine though.
Why are you trying to convince people not to pick champs if they have a rough early game?
I'm not.
It's just ridiculous that people come here to whine when they pick champs that do.
Slythion6 votesWell considering how this post is about Udyr Top I'm not sure why you are trying to argue for other scenarios
And nobody is "whining", before people started complaining about his late game they were perfectly fine with dealing with his early game. They are defending themselves from the real whiners that don't understand Udyr's entire playstyle and only recognize his strengths
Vorazun6 votesWell considering how this post is about Udyr Top I'm not sure why you are trying to argue for other scenarios
Except that the OP isn't about Udyr top, but the melee vs ranged matchup in general. The idea that the OP is trying to convey is that it's not fun. In fact, there is no reference to Udyr being played top lane in the OP.
Slythion2 votesWell, I suppose you are right when it comes to talking about the melee vs ranged matchu in general, although his Udyr reference is obviously to Udyr top simply because it's the only viable lane for Udyr outside of jungle (where he isn't getting poke/denied for 5-10mins).
I think all my points still stand against his "don't pick melee champs into ranged" argument though.
Thanks for clarifying that, I see my misunderstanding now
KillerKell8 votesI think he was saying ADCs crying about Udyr, but thinking it's just fine for them to be able to blast most Top Lane Melee when they go Top as a Marksman.
So not Udyr Top, but your general Darius, Garen, etc types.
He's comparing an Udyr mauling an Ashe to a Quinn mauling Juggernaut.
TWITCHTV ERONATE5 votesI thought you needed to play the champs you enjoy playing and not the superior ones? Where's the fun if you're forcing yourself to play something you don't have fun with
Spaceman5pff7 votesYou forget that the vast majority of people that play league of legends have lost their sense of fun for the game. They just want to win, or to climb. They see their teammates not as people, but as tools put in place by the game to help them win, and when these tools do not perform as they expect, they become upset with these tools.
This is why league is so fkin toxic.
Melledoneus20 votesRight, I forgot. Sorry, let me just change being the only tank on our team to adding a third ADC to our roster.
The Queen Viper2 votesIf you play a tanky top, you shouldn't have any problems to begin with. That's the meta now.
Melledoneus13 votesTanks aren't tanky until they build items, though. So when Graves does 300 damage in 2 seconds to me at level 1 just because I wanted to last hit a minion, what the hell do you expect me to do?
You obviously don't play tanks.
Slythion10 votesExcept there are multiple tank busters top:
and almost every tank requires items to become tanky and so they have a bad early game against harass champions. Have you never thought about this stuff or are you just trying to argue?
Troll for Trump6 votes
: Tank busting, ADC, that can tank just as well as a juggernaut. boo.
Troll for Trump2 votesWhoa, so, in ranked, when I pick Darius third pick, and the enemy team picks Gnar afterwards, that's under my control? What am I supposed to do? Just not pick any melee champs? Pick Teemo and watch them pick a champ that counters the Lil' Devil?
Pick champ -> Opposing team picks hard counter is really annoying.
Melledoneus1 votesFirst of all: Ranked is a forsaken place. There's no point, in my opinion, since it's in the control of the premades.
Second... yeah. I agree. And I hate when I can't pick anything that can at least farm under turret against the bullshit that goes top.
Troll for Trump2 votesI have to play ranked to hit gold again, and because normals tends to have a lot more..toxicity. Instalockers, people that do troll picks because it's "offmeta", or don't try because "it's just normals". It's fun once in a while, and it's a great place to experiment, but it's sometimes too casual.
Melledoneus1 votesYeah, I get it. I just can't motivate myself to try. I just don't have anyone to play with these days.
The Queen Viper1 votestry playing a melee champion top against ranged
Why?
You are not supposed to pick melee champs into ranged in the first place, unless you really want to make the game harder by countering yourself from the get-go. -.-
Lauchmelder8 votesWell sometimes you have to pick before the enemy does...
The Queen Viper2 votes... and that's why you shouldn't pick certain champions blind.
Unless you want to counter yourself.
Lauchmelder16 votesThat is BS and you know it. By that logic you couldn't pick ANY Champion because you might get countered.