is it me or are a majority of vayne players super toxic?

The Bard Dog·Jun 24, 2015·50 votes·13,089 views

i played a game with this vayne right, and i gank her bot. she ends up dying, but i get the double. i miss a triple because i didn't snare the support as he ran away. so then she calls me shit and says i do nothing. whatever. dont really care. got a double out of it.

later, im on my way to my red, and after i have it at 2% vayne says let me take it. she's in base, and honestly i didn't even see her chat until after i killed it. so then she starts raging even more about how i do nothing (not even true i was 10/5/7), and that im lucky she carried me.

i see this ALL of the time with vayne players. why is there such a high number of toxic vayne players? i just dont get it

56 Comments

LaserDeathBladeJun 24, 201523 votes

Because if you're playing Vayne you're in it to solo carry

She's honestly a terrible team pick

Only Play DariusJun 25, 20151 votes

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She's honestly a terrible team pick

Same could be said for most hypercarries MasterYi Akali Katarina Fiora Tryndamere Yasuo Twitch

Kat mighb be an exception since her team fighting is top-notch, but her gameplay pattern is still cheese and can be easily shutdown.

IcyPepperJun 24, 201516 votes

People who have a solo carry mentality tend to be a little more... less team orientated. Not that I'm saying those people are more likely to be toxic (we all met that support main that makes Teemo look like a miracle cure in comparison).

Vayne is the supposed 1v5 adc. Not that I'm saying she is, but she has the reputation of being the adc people dream of being able to 1v5 with. They want to be spoonfed early game by their support, be given every red buff under the sun, maybe even a blue buff here and there, so they can 1v5 later and claim to have done everything and have their team worship them.

Okay, I'm exaggerating here, but you get me. We've all met that mid main, that top main, hell every main that expects to carry and expects their entire team to serve at their beck and call. Vayne's reputation just encourages that behavior, unfortunately.

ClerilJun 24, 20151 votes

I've had ADCs leave games we were winning because they weren't carrying.

It was Ashe though, not vayne.

IcyPepperJun 24, 20156 votes

It's the player, not the champion.

Some champions just attract worse crowds.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 24, 20157 votes

It's because of the amount of stress they have to put up when all they wanted to do is 1v5 late game.

Usually in this case, I'll just:

(Jungler) Never gank bot.
(Support) Go support top lane instead.
(Top) TP bot? Pfft, I need my cs :3
(Mid) I like killing Rivens more than an Ashe that you can't even handle

^only applies if my Vayne is super-toxic

VerxintJun 24, 201513 votes

Yeah I've learned never gank the cocky toxic vayne.

If you don't get both kills, your ganks are bad If you get both but Vayne doesn't get a double, report for KS If Vayne dies less than 10 seconds after you leave the lane, it's your fault for not waiting in the lane bush If you wait in the lane bush, you're stealing XP. if you towerdive, she farms and it's your fault. when she chases the Alistair to the inner turret and dies, it's the jungler fault. If you tax a single minion, you get reported If you take "her" Krugs at any point, you get flamed for stealing farm And then, finally, even if you manage to spoon feed her in lane and meet all of these <sarcastic>totally reasonable</sarcastic> conditions, she will ult and tumble into their frontline by herself to try to kill tristana. "OMG can't carry this noob team"

It's just not worth the time. Imma go mid and babysit swain instead.

Titan SenpaiJun 24, 20156 votes

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...a majority of ... players are super toxic

Fixed.

Hi Im NopeJun 24, 20155 votes

I just thought ADC mains as a whole were just toxic......... :P

A Miss FortuneJun 24, 20159 votes

I main ADC and I wouldn't really say I'm that toxic. I mean, I WILL say something when you're 0-5 as Teemo "Support" with no wards and are forcing the lane to push right under their turret.

I main Miss Fortune though, not Vayne.

ChimewlanJun 25, 20152 votes

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I just thought ADC mains as a whole were just toxic......... :P

I've supported some very nice adcs before. I guess they just get tired because of crappy supports from past games

Maximum ZileanJun 24, 20154 votes

Yep. 99% of Vayne players are like that.

And they also suck most of the time from my experience. My advice, just /mute any Vayne player you see. Or just flat out dodge. Its usually a loss when someone locks in Vayne in bronze / silver.

theragingnerdJun 24, 20151 votes

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Yep. 99% of Vayne players are like that.

And they also suck most of the time from my experience. My advice, just /mute any Vayne player you see. Or just flat out dodge. Its usually a loss when someone locks in Vayne in bronze / silver.

they are all toxic but down here in bronze the game drags out so damn long tat shes gonna get late game no matter what and instantly become 26 and 22 when she started 0 and 2 because yah know FUCK LOGIC

iamthegoatofwarJun 25, 20153 votes

almost all vaynes are toxic they think they're all LCS or something...I like fighting vaynes as warwick and hearing them cry in all chat when i hit r to delete them.

Buttigieg 2020Jun 24, 20152 votes

Phreak isn't toxic. The only one vayne player I know who isn't a raging 5 year old.

The LexerJun 24, 20153 votes

Phreak? He isn't raging but he is overconfident and likes to tell people how good of a vayne player he is

Mylon RequiemJun 24, 201512 votes

Well, he did solo kill Febiven, who solo killed Faker.

Since as you know, this means Phreak > Faker.

MatezoideJun 25, 20151 votes

I still remember Phreak literally arguing with the whole forums when Vayne was broken to defend her.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPEJun 24, 20152 votes

when you're in bronze and your vayne goes in 1v5 its not really a surprise that they are gonna be toxic :/

PBnJellyJun 24, 20152 votes

Yeah Vayne pretty much has the same playerbase as melee carries (Riven, Fiora, Yi, etc.). It's mostly because they think they can just 1v5 and when they die it's the team's fault because it's impossible for them to ever make a mistake because they're practically Faker but noob teams are keeping them in Bronze.

This is nothing new though.

The Great DivideJun 24, 20152 votes

Not all Vayne's are awful. I played with one who was very nice and worked together with me being Sona. It's just the one's you get 5 games later who run headfirst into Nami/Quinn bot, trying to all in while we're lvl 5 and they're lvl 6, yelling at you for not being aggressive enough (I'm Sona again)... Those Vayne players tip the scales. It's all just players really. Wise Vaynes are fantastic to have, because they're usually nice and are the ones who actually carry.

Davy CrockettJun 24, 20152 votes

Twitch More toxic than Vayne players. Usually if I'm supporting a Vayne I take Soraka as a safety net. If they're good they wont rage.

MetalrichdogJun 24, 20151 votes

I might just be on the outskirts due to my personality, but I can't say I've ever been toxic in a match. Sure, I've been annoyed and literally refused to chat for practically the entire game due to certain people, but I believe that every mistake should be held as if they were your own. Support doesn't play aggressively? Heck, you can change that by COMMUNICATING with them. Support keeps taking cs? Well, PLEASE DON'T TOUCH MY CS(And then it's K, like GP eating oranges). Jungler took the kills? Heck, I wouldn't even have this gold if he didn't come, and it's better to spread the wealth.

Onto the Twitch versus Vayne mentality on toxicity: Vayne: These players tend to WANT to do the 1v5(Carry matches solo), and play this champ due to the reputation. Sadly, however, they realize that unless they're pretty much given a great early game head start, they'll suck until later on. This means that alot of people will rage when they don't get fed immediately.

Twitch: Though Twitch can stomp when ahead, he can be put behind and have little ability to recover. If you put a Twitch behind, then it's highly likely they'll start to complain, and will very often be the detriment of your team's morales and ability to play. On the other hand, they will also complain about any mistake you make that allowed them to die (Though it likely was due to Twitch player's own poor positioning).

Other ADCs: The majority of other ADCs tend to not have the same mentality to them because not many of them are large outplay champs(I'm excluding mentioning Draven), which means that their champs will be rather linear in their jobs. If these people mess up, it's much easier to pinpoint their errors, which means that it can be harder to blame it on somebody else. Sure, you can always blame another person for an action, but heck, some part will always be your fault and thus you will always be at part the cause of the action that ended in detriment for your team.

Davy CrockettJun 25, 20151 votes

Keep in mind most other ADCs aren't toxic. I find that Twitch players are more toxic than Vayne players, but less frequent. Most games I have had a Twitch on my team it was not very pleasant. With Vayne players they rage more frequently and are easier to handle in a game. Its not nice when an adc yells at you to "uninstall and crawl in a hole". Toxicity is still a problem in this game. Sadly approaches to resolve the issue have still not fixed the issue of raging players.

YumaS2AstralJun 25, 20153 votes

Here on the BR server, Draven players tend to be incredibly toxic. They spam "RX" on chat (because of brTT, a professional player that mains Draven, and has a catchphrase "Rexxxpeita"). They say "gg ez" when they become fed and win, but when they lose, they tend to blame the team. They don't respect neither their allies, nor their enemies

Davy CrockettJun 25, 20151 votes

Quick question? What does BR mean?

In other news, I don't see Draven that much, but they do have issues. The stereotype is that a Draven main will always act like Draven because Draaaaaaaven.

YumaS2AstralJun 25, 20152 votes

I used "BR" as a means of refer to the Brazilian server. That's what "BR" means.

However if you come to the BR server, many people will use that acronym as a laugh (br br hue Mordekaiser )

Speaking of which, Draven is very popular at low elos on the BR server, not only because of the many brTT "fanboys", but also because it is incredibly easy to snowball and carry as Draven, as most low elos don't know how to deal with him. He is one of the top bans at low elo. He is a "bronzodia".

Even though Draven isn't ban worthy on most situations, I would recommend you to ban him if you were to create a smurf on the BR server. Either that or pick Draven yourself. Then, carry and watch how the enemy team starts to rage among themselves, and fall apart. Once you get to Gold, you don't need do ban Draven anymore, as most people know to capitalize on his weakness (such as immobility, reliance on catching the axes, and reliance on snowballing).

Davy CrockettJun 25, 20151 votes

Thanks for the clarification. I played Draven during the last free week and I really enjoyed him but I dont think I'll main him. With draven he either gets the first 10 kills of the game and carries or just doesnt get a kill and ffs at 20

YumaS2AstralJun 25, 20151 votes

Draven has Riven levels of snowball due to his passive and does more damage than even Vayne with her Silver Bolts, but at gold and higher elo, people know how to not die to him during early game, and focus him with CC and mobility. That's why he shines at low elo, as people don't know that, they just die several times to him, Draven is really good at punishing people that die to him. Then he just snowball out of control and people start to rage "gg trash ADC" "gg horrible team".

In short, it is not only because Draven can snowball really easy at low elos. It is also because when he snowballs, players tend to rage, to brawl with each other, and this makes the team lose harder due to the fact that they can't even coordinate to make a plan against Draven.

Davy CrockettJun 25, 20151 votes

Got it. Is the BR server currently following the meta such as utility/hard engage comps or is there no set meta there?

Only Play DariusJun 25, 20151 votes

Most Twitch players are rather pleasant, but if they get mad I don't blame them. He is far and away the worst ADC to play when behind, so he relies on being heavily protected for most of the game. He is arguably the strongest late game ADC, where he is a functional assassin and team fighting monster. Understandably I would be pissed if my teammates feed hard and cause the game to end before I get 3 items, let alone even have a taste of the late-game fantasy.

KarKzzJun 24, 20152 votes

No joke, i once played with a vayne that was complaining about our support braum "stealing" her farm with the relic shield. She also raged at braum for "ksing" when she was dead. She also got dived (she stayed with 200Hp), and complained that braum took the kill of that guy that dived her (she didn't even got the assist). Probably an extreme case though.

ADCs is the role ,that i think, is the most toxic overall. Vayne's player are the most toxic along them.

XonraJun 25, 20152 votes

I would say out of the adcs I play with, Vayne players are by far the least toxic, but they tend to be by far the worst as well.

They rarely talk, not in champ select, not in game, don't respond (to anything, pings, words, etc)
It is like they are just robots bent on doing terrible
They tend to blind pick Vayne more often than not, and get countered and lose lane

This is only my experiences in my "people are still bad" elo range. I just never see a Vayne do actually good, not lose lane horribly, or ever talk. It is still bad, but I rarely see them do anything actually toxic because they act like robots with the worst AI ever.

quake12255Jun 25, 20152 votes

I think it's like a tradition. When I play Vayne I'm toxic because every other Vayne is as well, so I might as well fit in.

JariJun 25, 20152 votes

Well, for my two cents, I try to put a more positive note. I did poorly on Vayne? I'll take the blaim. I get ahead? I thank my support. It's msotly because with what her kit is, people think they'll be able to 1v5 the enemy team, so they get that mindset that they should get everything so that they can do it.

IceKingChernobogJun 25, 20152 votes

It's not you, Vayne and Riven all have this elitist mind set, and if they're behind(mostly because of THEIR own mistakes) they tend to rage alot this video pretty much sums up most vayne mains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiwkTJ04vo

MLDzXnRRRJun 25, 20152 votes

People playing faceroll champions are the most toxic - Riven , Vayne, Katarina, Yasuo, also Lucian when he was popular pick.

VekknaJun 25, 20152 votes

MOST TOXIC NA: Fizz Darius Ekko Fizz Kalista Riven Fizz Tryndamere MonkeyKing Fizz Yasuo Zed Fizz

MOST FRIENDLY NA: Bard Caitlyn Janna MissFortune Leona Zyra Tristana Amumu

BIGGEST TROLLS/OBVIOUS PUBESCENTS NA: Ahri Ezreal Corki LeeSin MasterYi Talon TwistedFate Zed

TIME TO DODGE: Elise Rammus Poppy Teemo Urgot Zac

FreeEgbertdJun 25, 20151 votes

I think you mean all ADCs, not just ashe. Or maybe like 10% of the community.

Aboylova92Jun 25, 20151 votes

Here's the thing. Generally if there's going to be some sort of hyper carry, whether it's Vayne, Kat, Yi especially, ect they generally are just more toxic. They're after them getting fed and that's it, doesn't matter even if the other person is carrying. It's a pretty terrible attitude and does work, but one that you generally see in those types of champs.

I've had it when I jungler and I gank other lanes, getting everyone ahead, to have a Zed yell at me when he's ganked and why wasn't I there. Sorry you have zero wards out and are angry I got a double down bot plus drag. It's best to ignore people like that, as you'll probably never make them happy. They'll also be the first one to tell not only you, but the opposing team how "pro" they are at their champ, and how bad the other person is.

Only Play DariusJun 25, 20151 votes

Because Vayne is the only ranged ADC in the game who can, with enough skill, fight all by herself without a support protecting her 24/7. It's the reason the smurfs always play Vayne, they can hard carry without having to account for the support player 20-25 divisions below them.

A majority of Vayne players started playing her because they saw a smurf go 47/2 with 3 pentakills, so they think she's freelo and try to abuse it, even though it's just that people in low elo don't exploit her weaknessess (lack of waveclear, needs walls for stun, can easily lose 1v1 if she is ambushed, etc.) which is why the people who play her (the bad ones in particular) are so toxic. They are scum who don't bother to actually form their own champion pool, they just pick whatever they think is OP.

The toxicity of her playerbase is up there with Leblanc Darius Gnar Gragas Tryndamere Warwick Volibear

IceKingChernobogJun 25, 20151 votes

Never encountered a toxic voli player before, cocky but not toxic

TheEvilQueen135Jun 25, 20151 votes

I also find extreme toxicity with most adc kogs...

YumaS2AstralJun 25, 20152 votes

Are you sure? Because most Kog that I found are very nice

TheEvilQueen135Jun 26, 20151 votes

I am POSITIVE if you fail once, or if they keep dying even due to their stupidity, i've had them go on a rampage. they're more toxic than kog's sludge... maybe i've just met really nasty ones.

Shrek LuigiJun 29, 20151 votes

I dont see very many Kogmaws but the ones I'm matched with usually don't understand the implications behind Kogmaw's weaker early game--they try to play him like they would Ezreal, poking every other second and put themselves in harms way rather than just farming the lane safely. I've definitely seen my fair share of impatient ones, at least.

BakedLotionJun 25, 20151 votes

Zed Have u not seen this

Shrek LuigiJun 25, 20151 votes

I've definitely noticed Vaynes that get extremely mouthy when they get shut down early game at the lower levels of play. They're always under the impression that they can win trades 100% of the time since they picked The Best ADC, and it's quite akward--especially when I pulverize them in lane :))

SmilesCureAllOct 7, 20151 votes

Just had a game with a Vayne and so far we were playing pretty well, I pull the ADC as blitz alot and we win lane. After around the 20 minute mark we start stomping on them, but heres the shitty thing we get inhibs and turrets but instead of pressing our advantage everyone goes to baron and after baron everyone starts going off on their own. The worse off all Vayne decides to stop sticking with the team and starts going around to flank the enemy team when we are all on base. overall the Vayne flamed us and called us idiots and all that shit so yeah, Vayne's are just naturally assholes like how fizz is when he somehow can't win lane.