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D357R0Y3R··28 votes·12,255 views

So Riot advertised botlane diversity in this "what is meta" video they did. The boards are back to talk about botlane diversity, Riot is back at those promises of diversity and strategy. And me? I only laugh. Let's bloody talk about this "diversity" that will never happen, not only because of Riot but also because of THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

I'm an ADC main playing mostly Lucian and Ashe, praising Uzi and Deft and I hate mages so fucking much.

The thing is the communty does not want to play anything but marksmen botlane: -ADCs have mained this lane for years -toplaners have mained top for years, and do not want to play any other lanes SERIOUSLY ASK THE TOPLANERS YOURSELF. I know an OTP GP, and asked him how he would feel about playing GP botlane if it were viable, he answered "no no no no", he doesn't want to hear anything about botlane. Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser remember Morde? how many morde players accepted to play botlane? He had around 60% win rate and was a free win, yet had 50% ban rate and 5% pick rate. Meanwhile when an ADC is free win, they get to have around 40% pick rate.

"but Destroyer, nobody plays morde botlane because he's shit" https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7tnsme/my_name_is_rubick_i_hit_challenger_by_playing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MordekaiserMains/comments/9wx4ga/i_just_finished_challenger_being_only_huekaiser/

explain to me why do we have people hitting challenger with mordekaiser botlane then? But it's only a hand of players, yet botlane is the least played role of mordekaiser?

the reason is simple NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY MELEES IN THE BOTLANE JFC. Toplaners only want to play toplane ADC mains only want to play ADC

you will never have an ADC main willing to invest time into something else than an ADC except Hjarnman himself. Look at Rekkles kneejerk reaction because he didn't want to learn a new meta (learning to lane against other laners than adc), when Uzi kept playing the game and dominated MSI And this is all because Riot game somehow woke up after 8 years of meta, and want to change everything. This is honnestly unreal.

56 Comments

Ralanr21 votes

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, "Nobody wants to play melee into ranged match ups, and nobody used to played ranged vs ranged match ups wants to invest into lanes without supports backing them?"

At least I think the first part of my view makes sense.

chipndip111 votes

Yeah, but marksman ALSO don't want mages bot lane.

I'm just sick of bot lane diversity, because I'm sick of empty promises.

D357R0Y3R11 votes

Because it's cancer, I never had so much unfun when I played against Swain and Vladimir botlane They felt like playing against an ADC who was unkillable

I never minded Yasuo botlane, maybe because as Ralanr said we have the upper hand with range.

floo1 votes

Diversity isn't wanted for ranked. It can be fun tho when your friend accidentally picks karthus apc and enemy bot gets annihilated.

ModCaptainMårvelous11 votes

Throwback to when 8.11 happened and the bot lane actually opened up. Bruisers, tanks, adcs (non-crit) and mages were all played bot. Only champs that really needed aid were the crit adcs who could have gone with minor tuning. Plus maybe the idea that we could start tuning ADCs for lanes OTHER than bot without being outliers (Quinn) or One-role-wonders (Kindred, Graves)

Man, remember when Doublelift locked in Yasuo and said "IDK man people just need to learn to play around stuff".....then it was too tough so he made a whole video about how change was bad and how adcs need to come back bot lane?

Still unreal that both Riot and community fell for the "ADC 20XX LUL" meme twice in the span of about a year.

EDIT: Bonus edit for when every single role had to learn multiple classes of champion save for ADCs. Top has to learn tanks, mages, bruisers and sometimes carries. Mid has tanks, mages, assassins, and divers. Supports have tanky supports, buff supports, mages. Meanwhile ADCs are still only picking ADC unless you're an absolute godlike madman who can one trick Heimer so well you force bans.

D357R0Y3R5 votes

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Throwback to when 8.11 happened and the bot lane actually opened up. Bruisers, tanks, adcs (non-crit) and mages were all played bot

No, unless you want to mean the very begining of 8.11 high elo players quickly understood that yasuo and irelia botlane were dogshit, Dopa said it himself, and Irelia got played 6 times botlane during LCS/LCK and 56 times mid lane (banned in other games) Darius got played botlane too by faker, and they lost after then everyone stopped playing bruisers

in the long run, high elo players understood that mages were beyond broken Swain vlad quickly dominated the lane, and ryze was behind them as for adcs, they were still played indeed I do not claim the opposite

Man, remember when Doublelift locked in Yasuo and said "IDK man people just need to learn to play around stuff".....then it was too tough so he made a whole video about how change was bad and how adcs need to come back bot lane?

SEE THIS IS MY POINT even if doublelift supported the changes, he changed his mind same for imaqtpie they were literally the 2 who encouraged riot to changes things

ModCaptainMårvelous7 votes

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No, unless you want to mean the very begining of 8.11 high elo players quickly understood that yasuo and irelia botlane were dogshit, Dopa said it himself, and Irelia got played 6 times botlane during LCS/LCK and 56 times mid lane (banned in other games) Darius got played botlane too by faker, and they lost after that everyone stopped playing bruisers

in the long run, high elo players understood that mages were beyond broken Swain vlad quickly dominated the lane, and ryze was behind them as for adcs, they were still played indeed I do not claim the opposite

Eh, Dopa's point was less that "Irelia and Yas are shit" and more that bot laners really didn't have the skills to play these champs. With stuff like Ryze/Vlad/Swain you could maybe make a case that there were some spell/auto weavers in the game that played similarly to them (Ezreal probably being the closest) but Yas and Irelia were entirely different ball games. Partially why you had some pro teams (Fnatic I think?) sub in their second top laner as the "adc" so he could play these champs. Which was kind of cool even if ADCs couldn't really justify learning those champs.

But yeah, we're off topic. The main point is definitely true that ADCs wanted to retain their special status of never having to learn another class outside ADC except MAYBE a rare mage if the ADC felt like it.

saltran1 votes

Partially why you had some pro teams (Fnatic I think?) sub in their second top laner as the "adc" so he could play these champs. **Which was kind of cool even if ADCs couldn't really justify learning those champs.*"

Truly spoken like someone that didn't understand what Rekkles said because he said that there was no reason for him to play the mages not because he couldnt play them but because in order to be worth playing him he needed to surpass Bwipo/Soaz skills on mages.

Can you apreciate the difference?

That doesn't change that adc mains are less flexible than other lanes mains, that's logical and that's what Rito wanted and created for 7 years in a row. Blame the director not the violinist that only knows how to play violín.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

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Truly spoken like someone that didn't understand what Rekkles said because he said that there was no reason for him to play the mages not because he couldnt play them but because in order to be worth playing him he needed to surpass Bwipo/Soaz skills on mages.

Can you apreciate the difference?

That doesn't change that adc mains are less flexible than other lanes mains, that's logical and that's what Rito wanted and created for 7 years in a row. Blame the director not the violinist that only knows how to play violín.

Sounds like something you should practice for then. Should we expect Rekkles to play on-the-level of Bwipo or Soaz right at the start? Naw. But it would be a good time to start training in those categories and learning to play those champions....y'know, like every other role.

Hell, it's not even about surpassing them. There are plenty of mid-laners who excel in different types of metas and champs. Faker can play Galio but why would you put him on Galio when he's great at more mechanically intensive champs? Rekkles didn't have to be the absolute #1 mage in the world, he just had to be good enough.

Still, Riot has been trying for years to shake up botlane (See the Season 3 or 4 support item stacking for double melee, Mordekaiser bot, 8.11, etc.) but every time they get even a little close, the sirens come on and ADCs rush to say how the role was killed. This isn't blaming the violinist for only playing violin, this is the director asking "Hey maybe you should learn another instrument. After all, every other musician here knows around two-or-three" only for the violinist to go "WHAT THE FUCK!? EITHER MAKE THE VIOLIN CORE TO THE SONG OR DONT EVEN BOTHER TALKING TO ME."

BestPudgeNA3 votes

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in the long run, high elo players understood that mages were beyond broken Swain vlad quickly dominated the lane, and ryze was behind them

ADC biased fake News

Vlad and Swain has some pretty awful performances in pro play on those patches with a few exceptions

http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/87/season-S8/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-8.12/role-ADC/league-ALL/

http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/105/season-S8/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-8.11/role-ADC/league-ALL/

http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/105/season-S8/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-8.13/role-ADC/league-ALL/

D357R0Y3R2 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/dd58b3a6f4b345fc7f3181abc36bb439.png

sure thing mate one was in the top2 most picked botlaner the other was in top3 linked with 58% win rate

wonder why they both got nerfed

BestPudgeNA3 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/dd58b3a6f4b345fc7f3181abc36bb439.png

sure thing mate one was in the top2 most picked botlaner the other was in top3 linked with 58% win rate

wonder why they both got nerfed

Neither were among the top 3 picked and most of them had bad win rate on most patches between 8.11-13. Vlad was sub 50 all 3 patches and Swain was below 50% once above it once and at 50% once. Ryze was basically a non factor and below Yas/Irelia pick rates.

The number 1-3 picked bot laners on 8.12 were all ADCs Lucian Ezreal Kaisa which you linked without sorting by pick rate

If you go back and look at all 3 patches you will see that ADCs did fine and were still statistically the best bot laners. On top of that a lot of the time a non ADC was picked had to do with a team was funneling ADC in the jungle and both Kai'sa and Xayah had good win rates being funneled.

Also they fact that Swain got nerfed kinda helps my case and not yours. If only the mages played bot needed nerfs because they were OP, what does that say about the ADCs that they were losing too? Could it be that those ADC weren't actually weak? Seems logical.

saltran1 votes

Still unreal that both Riot and community fell for the "ADC 20XX LUL" meme twice in the span of about a year.

Oooh what a shame, both case are completely different topics but since both are about adcs I guess it doesn't matter

At least I hope that Rito doesn't falls in the "lets create the botlane "diversity" that top/junglers/mids want to proceed to not play these botlanes when are viable"

Because that's the truth at the end, the diversity apologist like you never played non ADC botlanes when it was meta right?

Dont mind me, this is just a Gold ll scrub opinions here.

Edit: And when I played Mid I did never learned Divers, Tanks or Assasins, I only played mages and I had no problem. But hey, if you say that mids have to learn all classes that I guess you are right.

Greetings from Spain.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

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Oooh what a shame, both case are completely different topics but since both are about adcs I guess it doesn't matter

At least I hope that Rito doesn't falls in the "lets create the botlane "diversity" that top/junglers/mids want to proceed to not play these botlanes when are viable"

Because that's the truth at the end, the diversity apologist like you never played non ADC botlanes when it was meta right?

Dont mind me, this is just a Gold ll scrub opinions here.

Naw, both are completely viable to the disucssion. 2017 had ziggs going botlane because he could pressure a lot of adc match-ups and shove lane, leading to an early turret. Wasn't a cool adaption, was a "LOOK HOW BAD ADCS ARE RIGHT NOW" moment. Same deal with 8.11.

Anyways, goal should be to have the maximum amount of champs in the widest variety of positions. If ADCs aren't the only class bot, then they can start working on shoring up the situation.

And this is incorrect. I did play (Mostly supporting) and you know what? It was fun. I got to do combos I didn't usually expect. I got to play things that wouldn't be average meta lanes and it was god damn fun to play a more aggro lane with a champ who was just as thrilled to dive in as much as I was. Problem is that comes with a learning curve. One pros don't want.

Edit: And when I played Mid I did never learned Divers, Tanks or Assasins, I only played mages and I had no problem. But hey, if you say that mids have to learn all classes that I guess you are right.

Greetings from Spain.

You're not a pro. That's the core difference here. Just as OP is discussing how pros had to adapt but would rather complain than do so, pros also have to learn the best champs for the meta. You and me don't have to because we're not pros. We can play whatever we want so long as it works. The higher up you go, the more you tend to either one trick so hard you can take any match-up or the more meta conscious you have to be.

Moody P7 votes

the changes Riot would need to make this sort of shit work are so far beyond the scope that they're actually willing to work with

idk why they keep trying to force it

Mordepool6 votes

Morde mid is a better Role for him IMHO.

I play Morde Bot as my Secondary Role. If you dont get a Marksmen jungle or top your limiting your teams seiging power to Dragon Possesion and Dragon is shit at seiging lategame.

BestPudgeNA6 votes

Just because Mage mains don't wanna play with or against assassins doesn't mean mages should have a monopoly on mid lane. Just because most bot laners don't wanna learn other champs doesn't mean Marksman should have a monopoly on the role.

Moreover the problem is a self perpetuating one.

GigglesO6 votes

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And this is all because Riot game somehow woke up after 8 years of meta, and want to change everything. This is honnestly unreal.

Meta didn't happen over night. What you see right now is a cumulative 8 years of changes.

Woodakoodashooda2 votes

That patch in which bruisers being played bot did, in fact, happen overnight because of the ADC changes no one asked for and few to no one wanted. Changes that were forced down our collective throats.

Meta changes overnight if Riot wills it.

GigglesO1 votes

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if Riot wills it.

Yea that is the only way it happens.

Aimléss5 votes

You guys are overthinking things. No one plays Mordekaiser bot because no one plays Mordekaiser at all... ADCs enjoy the ranged backline playstyle, so Yasuo, Swain, etc. won't catch on too hard in the bot lane. The real fact of the matter is that if I play bruisers I'm queing top, if I play mages I'm staying mid etc. And ADCs are just gonna play ADCs. At the moment, Ziggs, Brand, Heim, Kassadin, etc. can still work bot, but in order for people to play those instead of the marksmen they wanna play they got to be OP in bot lane which just isn't healthy.

rubberduckie6664 votes

just saying the reason your otp GP dosent want to play botlane is because it would slow down his powerspikes considerably.

not to mention most champs that go botlane would bully his ass out of lane constantly making his powerspikes take EVEN longer.

in many cases its not "toplane mains dont want to play botlane" its in most toplane champs(carries) best interest to NOT play botlane because they want to hit their leveling powerspikes ASAP (this doubles for most mid lane carries aswell)

lets go back to GP. he wants to hit his level 13 powerspike ASAP, its the reason why if someone is overstaying their welcome in their lane (as in not leaving right after ganking or whatever) they get pissed off and tell you to fuck off to another lane.

Dr Dog3 votes

jungle is the only role thats fine with change (mainly because jg meta shifts extremely often so its a given) top laners dont wanna fight ranged champs, because its unfun. bot laners wanna play adcs, if theres a meta where anything else is bot its usually due to adcs being complete dog shit which for people that actually play the role is unfun. mages dont want bruisers mid because tankier mid laners arent really a thing, not being able to kill your laner isnt fun good examples being fizz, leblanc, ekko, kass and irelia. supports (for the most part ) wanna be the SUPPORT not the 2nd mid laner and mage supports are even more unfun for adcs to deal with. the only people that usually want "diversity" in a lane are people that dont play the lane so it doesnt affect them much in turn making it usually negatively impactful

Noor Sakata2 votes

And mid laners only want mid laners to be played in mid Get Irelia/Aatrox/Urgot out of mid lane ffs

Z3Sleeper3 votes

Don't worry, top laners want them nerfed too which would hopefully take them off mid.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

I dunno about aatrox and urgot but irelia is kinda better midlane than she is toplane aside from ranged matchups as far as i know.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Irelia will most likely stay mid. Mostly due to how all of her damage shifted from more DPS to burst (though right now she does too much of both) alongside her damage reduction ability that prevents mid laners from bursting her (which is what 90% of mid laners do, burst combos).

If they reduce her burst enough (at least to where a single landed stun =/= kill on anyone not running aftershock) she'll go back top but will still good mid vs burst champs. If they reduce her DPS at all she's definitely gonna stay mid.

EyesOfTheFox2 votes

My problem with this whole situation was that they nerfed marksmen so hard that they are almost useless unless your team isn't full of monkeys. Yet those same monkeys can one shot me with any other class of champion. Then Riot was like hey, marksmen wanna play against oppressive mages now that they have help in the form of an equally oppressive support right? Good thing this has settled down some. Every once in a while I see a Donger bot still and I wish I could just surrender at 0:01 when that happens because I'm not going to be able to farm. I will not out push him. He will take my tower. We will lose lane. I will be useless because of how the game works. There is a reason marksmen don't play mid lane yet Riot wants so bad for the mid lane to be bot.

When Riot wanted variety mid, they didn't delete mages from the game. They created and tweaked melee champions to fit the role. They took the complete opposite approach bot lane, which is why they failed.

Marksmen are the linchpin to this game. They are the class that has the most impact on the overall meta of the game.

Too strong, here comes the tank meta. Too weak, here comes the burst meta.

Marksmen are THE class that all other classes play off of. Riot should embrace this and start looking at how changes to just this ONE class affect ALL aspects of the game.

I think marksmen need a little help but too much and we return to tank meta.

Riot: Proceed with caution.

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

And yet the same ADC mains that complain like you do usually come to boards and reddit and tell melee toplaners they should "adapt" or "get better". If you don't feel able to play against heimer as ranged WITH support in your back what do you think is it like to play melee into this garbage?

EyesOfTheFox3 votes

I've never told anyone that. And I'm not complaining. I'm stating facts of the state of the game. I'm not calling for the nerfing of any class. I'm really just trying to figure out why you even responded. I'm only in silver. Have you ever had a silver support player and you as a marksman into a Heimer/Soraka lane? I never said I was the best player and I never said I was trash and I never tell people to "get good" and the truth is that matchup (the Donger one) sucks to play into period. I never even mentioned top lane so I'm not sure why you seem so butt hurt. There are certain things in this game that are overly oppressive. Were marksmen at one point? Sure. But the solution should not have been what it was and it lacked creativity from the company that did it. I know why you responded now. It was just to say get good to me because some other marksman player hurt you in the past, I'm sorry. Never lump me in with Reddit assholes again btw.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Toplaners complained since years about heimerdinger... nobody gave a sh*t until he got bot.

Denni2 votes

Hmmm, I believe you are over generalizing a little here. You are stating that the whole community does not want to play anything other than marksmen in the botlane, but I believe that isn't true. I do agree that most want to do that, but definitely not everyone. I really enjoy playing weird combos in the botlane with a friend and there were times we were both melee.

saltran1 votes

Hmmm, I believe you are over generalizing a little here. You are stating that the whole community does not want to play anything other than marksmen in the botlane

On 8.11 the hot garbage that was Caitlyn or Tristana both had more pickrate than the best non ADC performing champ that was Swain who was also godlike on Top and Mod by that time.

Its easy to assume that the part if the playerbase that wants botlane "diversity" its mostly from other lanes that wont play the mages botlane when they are viable and they expect adc mains to drop adcs.

Automated Riven2 votes

The problem with diversity botlane is twofold.

First off. Adc's can't go anywhere else, so when 'diversity' opens up bot then adc's get shoved out of the game. There are a few reasons this is true. 1.1 adc's are valueble because they scale, if there is diversity it means that their value in scaling isn't worth picking them. 1.2 adc's are extremely weak early game compared to other champions. They tickle and that's about it. Which is why they can even lane into melee matchups. Because eventually (after the first back) they just get to walk up to you and beat your face in.

Secondly. There is a need for adc's to be forced into duo lanes. If, for example, Caitlyn was allowed to not only scale as hard as she does but also have the base stats to not be chased down and murdered, or even being able to cut through other champions sustain significantly enough to stop them from just killing her. She will then bully around tanks, bruisers, mages, or jungle. That creates an area where she, and other marksmen, just dominate the meta with the only non marksmen being allowed in the jungle where they don't get bullied. So you have to make them weak early and strong late because range is such an abusive stat during the leveling period.

saltran1 votes

Secondly. There is a need for adc's to be forced into duo lanes. If, for example, Caitlyn was allowed to not only scale as hard as she does but also have the base stats to not be chased down and murdered, or even being able to cut through other champions sustain significantly enough to stop them from just killing her. She will then bully around tanks, bruisers, mages etc

And that's why no Cait main would ever want her to be meta on a solo lane.

I agree with you here and I dislike the comments I see that are like "we can make mages meta botlane and thn enable adcs on solo lanes, diversity for everyone" because that would be a shitshow that wouldn't end good.

saltran1 votes

This reminds me of this thread I did some months ago as an answer to someome that made a thread crying for more adc nerfs because he was still seeing mostly botlane-adcs on his games: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/es/c/gameplay-balance/Ar9i3x1p-marksman-are-not-mandatory

The message at the end it's almost the same.

Doge20201 votes

I mean I play almost all roles (kinda evenly play Top, supp and ADC) and I am fine with playing any of them. Well except for the teemo matchup, as nasus that is true cancer lol.

I play Shyvana top a lot, she does quite well when the enemy team doesn’t take advantage of my fairly weak early game before I reach lvl 6 and all in with my empowered E. I usually get so fed on her that I can easily jump onto the back line and survive to disrupt them and create a ton of chaos for my team to engage or disengage

Alzon1 votes

botlane diver city

FyreWall1 votes

The reason that his win rate is so high is because only mains play him, and play him well. Have 10 good players and 2 bad players is going to give a better WR then 10k good players and 100k bad playera

D357R0Y3R2 votes

that's not it He used to have 60% win rate and 5% pick rate just after his release had 99% ban rate in pro

my point is why did he have only 5% pick rate? broken adcs have like 30 or 40% pick rate

FyreWall1 votes

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that's not it He used to have 60% win rate and 5% pick rate just after his release had 99% ban rate in pro

my point is why did he have only 5% pick rate? broken adcs have like 30 or 40% pick rate

His pick rate is super low now because they nerfed his Q into dust and haven't watched his 300+ bugs. Not mention mordekaiser has the most unique playstyle imo, and almost no one even knows how to play him. And when they do they get fed up with his complete lack of utility and quit him. Unless you're a complete masochist, mordekaiser just isn't fun (m6 here so I have at least a little knowledge on the subject.) And don't even get me started on feast or famine. Mordekaiser is the biggest snowballer in the game, if he gets fed early, it's GGEZ, if he dies early, you're in a 4v5.

Mordekaiser is NOT tanky, all of his tank comes from damage dealt, meaning that if he is dealing less damage than you, he isn't tanky at all. He has the lowest movespeed of all melee characters, and no CC or mobility.

However, mordekaiser is brutal, in that if you make one mistake against him, "you're already dead". His third Q puts Hiroshima to shame, his ult basically says you aren't allowed to narrowly escape, and makes a 1v2 into a 2v1. His self heal is fucking ENORMOUS if used right, and his E is basically just a shield. If he is there for dragon, and his team isn't a bunch of monkeys, say goodbye to at least one turret. All of these things add up to an addictive yet completely toxic experience that just isn't enjoyed by many, thus why his win rate is so high, along with his ban rate, but his pick rate is almost 0

FyreWall1 votes

Let players play what they want "But muh right click champ can't mindlessly kill Scion" play better, learn how to kill that type of enemy.

meowwow71 votes

kind of like runes stats next season if they didn't force a person to have a defense/offense option and gave all options available on all rows we would see cases of 18 ad or 15 armor

XrRider3241 votes

Maybe in ranked games it would be different, but me (being trash at every game i have ever touched) im fine with people picking off meta as long as there is a chance it could work. For example darius adc would be horrible, but as long as you could find a melee champ that can possibly work it would be fine

FyreWall1 votes

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Maybe in ranked games it would be different, but me (being trash at every game i have ever touched) im fine with people picking off meta as long as there is a chance it could work. For example darius adc would be horrible, but as long as you could find a melee champ that can possibly work it would be fine

I've done it, with an engage support it's amazing

GigglesO1 votes

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and asked him how he would feel about playing GP botlane if it were viable, he answered &quot;no no no no&quot;, he doesn&#039;t want to hear anything about botlane.

As an 8 season morde main, I can agree that botlane sucks ass.

Its not that it can't be good.

Its not that it doesn't have a decent winrate.

Its that it really sucks having a support that is a waste of oxygen.

Adc's have enough range to compensate for a useless support. Morde just loses farm, and kill potential and sits there afk in the corner.

Ionian Vulpix1 votes

Unlike ADCs, most mages are self-sufficient in terms of their damage, cc, and combo potential. As such, they're usually stronger early on than an ADC. Pairing them with a support would cause them to completely outclass a traditional ADC/Support lane. ADCs play very differently than mages do, and that's the style of champion their players like. Why would they want to learn a type of champion they don't enjoy because Riot wants to allow for diversity, when it usually just makes the 'Diverse' picks as much stronger than the intended champs?

People didn't play Morde bot because they liked him, they did it because he was absurdly strong.

JeaneGreene1 votes

Playing Morde bot feels like repeatedly stubbing your toe in a wall, before getting a wrecking ball and destroying it. Painful, but satisfying.

Ackelope1 votes

as a person who plays a good amount of adc, it does matter more the champion i play than the place i play them. as long as i can play them elsewhere, too, i don't really care.

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Ahri 54.5% win rate now
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124
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PLEASE NERF JHIN
Gameplay106 comments
122
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I love it when Maple Nectar talks about Kai'sa
Gameplay236 comments
116
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