Riot's philosophy finally turned the game into dogshit after so much years

D357R0Y3R·11/25/2018, 11:06:21 AM·357 votes·32,410 views

Ever since xypherous stated that offense should outscale defense we finally reached a point in season 9 where anyone who enjoyed strategic plays can fuck right off.

It has been obvious with how adaptive stats outstats the defensive choices of runes, that Riot does not want defense to be good, they do not want people to think like "Oh I do not want to get oneshot, and be able to outplay my enemy!", they want them to think like "I'm going full davai and oneshot everyone until I get oneshot".

After season 2, we nerfed armor, mr, we removed force of nature, we nerfed warmog, we nerfed almost every defensive option and introduced BORK and liandry. In season 4 and season 7 we nerfed defense even more In season 3 we introduced black cleaver %armor shred in season 8 we introduced conqueror in season 8 we buffed MR pen

What about champions? We removed taric's armor aura We removed sona's armor/mr aura We removed Soraka's temporar 110 armor buff in favor of turning her into a toxic healer, EVEN THOUGH MORELLO SAID THAT DEDICATED HEALERS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME. Hey guys, an enchanter able to make you tank physical damage aggression every 20 seconds is toxic, let's change it to a heal bot champ that has almost no downtime until they have no hp. We removed Maokai's ult damage reduction for his team We removed Jarvan's armor aura

Anything that made your team tanking more damage got removed, instead we have spells that completly nullify agression like Braum ETahmKench W (very fun design btw).

And tanks? What did Riot do with tanks since they had to make them useful? They all got reworked into toxic CC bots

It makes sense, since defense should get blantantly ignored by offense after 20-25-30 min, how can we make tanks good? Make them able to remove a champion from a teamfight for 4 sec straight with knock ups AND BUFF THEIR DAMAGE. This is what happened with Galio Ornn Sejuani Gragas Maokai Zac and all "modern tanks"

You can't tank anymore, so now you either have a bruiser lvl of damage like galio/gragas/ornn Or you get to CC for I don't know how much time, with new displacements that appeared from no where like ZAC, galio, gragas and old tanks like Malphite are losing their niche for no reasons Remember when Malphite used to hardcounters Jax and Irelia? LOL THINK AGAIN Think fucking again because if you can't remove jax or irelia from the game for 4 sec now, they're going to shred you so hard Soon, malphite's attack speed slow will get changed into a knock up like Nunu

and this made tanks so shit in soloq, but so op in pro play because their coordination can make use of their insane engage and insane cc

So now, to make them good in soloq, they want to turn Ornn into a bruiser, by nerfing his cc and giving him 73% max hp damage and it's the fucking truth what the fuck it's just the truth, even Sejuani is getting the same treatment Sion Look at his current damage after that they buffed his damage

Defense doesn't matter anymore, it's all about damage and cc now

and bruisers? what about bruisers? Well, Riot thought that those poor melees need to be viable in the game, you would think that they would trade range for defense?

Again Think again No, they need to PIERCE defense, even more

Darius had 25% pen armor for years suddenly, in season 8 we increase it to 30% then to 35% we introduce Camille who's able to deal 1k true damage every few seconds Melees are ignoring more and more the defense of this game, Fiora Gangplank Yasuo , and now Aatrox Urgot gets SO MUCH %hp damage passively. Aatrox Irelia gets to either pierce shielding, or reduce healing We gave Nasus Garen % armor shred This is league in its purest form in season 9

A game where tanks will either deal bruiser lvl of damage, or have bullshit cc A game where bruisers will ignore almost all of your defense

https://i.gyazo.com/d183ebf734af3e3a5965f291925aeba8.jpg

Say anything about season 2, but in that season you had much more strategy nobody even the few assassins straight up oneshot you in high elo

Because in pro play or high elo, mages or adc went for TWO defensive items ADC build was like boots+IE+PD+Banshee+GA And you had no way of ignoring this defense

But riot was like "uhu duhu, defense is boring guys"

Even when you had mages and ADCS picked as much as bruisers and tanks

you had as much bruisers and tanks played, currently the only bruisers played are either hypermobile or have bullshit ranged spells (Aatrox Urgot)

You buff Darius's armor pen, and he doesn't show up even when he can straight up ignore your defense Why? BECAUSE DARIUS NEEDS HIS OWN DEFENSE TO MATTER FFS

You think by giving Nasus 35% armor pen, he's going to be good when his ult armor/mr won't matter at all? You can give him a gamebreaking buff that is 50% cdr on Q under ult, it won't change anything

Riot game Your issue was thinking that buffing damage non stop on anyone could fix the game or fix balance you just ruined the fun for the people that loved long trades the people that loved strategy, and loved to abuse window of powers

Now, your designs are all "ahahaha you didn't dodge skillshot, get fucking destroyed lol"

256 Comments

Over Innsmouth11/25/2018, 11:08:41 AM105 votes

Big agree.

Moody P11/25/2018, 11:22:58 AM70 votes

damn and I already had the same complaint put into notepad

beat me to it..

buff defense

Teridax6811/25/2018, 1:01:22 PM58 votes

I think there's a fair difference though between "damage eventually outscales defense" and "damage is literally the only thing that matters". A game in which carries eventually get to break through even very durable tank walls is a game that won't go on endlessly, but right now, the problem is simply that everyone is given too much damage, and damage is the only thing that's valued on the map as well. Durability's been actively discouraged for years, to the point where even tanks over time have been pushed to buy damage stats instead, and that's simply added a whole new layer of bursty champions with tons of CC, which has made the game even less stable and fun to play. The state of damage right now is so out of wack that I'm not sure Riot even has an idea of what would constitute reasonable damage, and even if they did, they don't seem at all intent on fixing damage either.

Hi lm Zoe11/25/2018, 11:52:36 AM57 votes

And this is the reason Zoe is back in business. Because nobody can now tank her fuckin' dmg [sg-miss-fortune]

Yara011/25/2018, 10:11:48 PM17 votes

item 3105 defensive aura was removed item 3190 was also gutted unless your a fucking super tank.

FuzzyLumps11/26/2018, 2:58:20 AM14 votes

The problem is that people keep playing the game because they've invested so much time and money into it, but if Riot keeps seeing a large player base and also keeps getting money then they won't think they're doing anything wrong.

Lil Homie busta11/25/2018, 6:04:58 PM13 votes

You've talked it all. The problem isn't the balance team. It's the live gameplay team, more specific their direction and philosophy. But I bet they will ignore this well made and logical thread like many others.

Madsin2511/25/2018, 6:37:06 PM11 votes

Spot on.

They knew if they were going to give us stat paths they had to make the resolve tree 10000% garbage because god forbid defense actually mean anything.

The "burst war' this game has become is so boring, there is ZERO build diversity, only burst.

While I understand defenses can be hard to balance and "tank ekkos" may spawn from it but they just took the lazy way out in terms of balancing.

OneMustFall11/25/2018, 11:55:13 AM11 votes

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ºSERAPHº11/25/2018, 7:33:29 PM9 votes

the plan is to tilt everyone with snowbally bull shit then ban them so that only streamers and esports exist

Talh11/26/2018, 7:59:17 PM9 votes

+1,000,000 to OP. These are my thoughts exactly.

Also, take notice of all the naysayers -- their comments end up "below threshold" to even be SHOWN.

Time to start listening, Riot. The vast majority wants damage reduced so we can actually play the game.

Míellá11/25/2018, 12:51:54 PM8 votes

So we're going to ignore the time of tank meta? I'm 100% sure they introduced those items cuz of that toxic meta.

Stephenizgod11/27/2018, 6:37:34 AM6 votes

REMOVE RUNES REFORGED!!!

I can't stress this enough... This was the final nail in the coffin for this game, it spiked the damage creep to unseen levels (and they were already getting bad, remember when ADC's were just A-clicking on the other side of the map and 3 shotting everything in between?)

You give a burst oriented champion, designed to jump in and deal a huge burst of damage then jump out, a Rune that upon dealing their burst gets additional instantaneous burst without any possible counterplay? So you are rewarding the Assassin for landing their abilities? Is the reward for landing your abilities not already the damage they do? Why do they need more damage?

People say this brings diversity, certain champions are now viable... Yeah you are right it brought X champion back into the light, but it pushed champions A B and C who were already in the light and Top Tier into God-tier... now they are busted beyond repair... So did it really bring that champion into viability if everyone is still playing A B or C because they are busted? Just because you can play champion X without insta-feeding? I say no...

There is no diversity in Rune paths anymore, they are all just damage... Classes are all taking the same shit with some exceptions. The only tree that I feel is good and redeemable is the Inspiration Tree (with the exception of Kleptomancy, free Gold is just a different reward to damage but still with the same lack of interaction). This Tree is designed around AUGMENTING HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME, meaning how you use these Runes differs from player to player and champion to champion. Every champion that uses Electrocute or Dark Harvest uses it the exact same way... The Inspiration Tree is different, it doesn't reward after the play has been made, it happens BEFORE the play is made thus its effectiveness depends on the player, champion and situation. There are exceptions to this of course, but generally that is more on certain balance issue with other aspects of the game rather than the tree itself.

If we want to keep Runes Reforged, we need every tree to be more like the Inspiration Tree. GET RID OF ALL THE FREE FUCKING DAMAGE PLEASE... Give me some strategy, give me something I need to think about before it happens. I don't want to just roll my face across the keyboard and say welp i 1-shot that guy I am so good at game...

2DunksFromHell11/25/2018, 1:42:20 PM5 votes

I love how you don't complain about AD carrys, who dominated game for 7 years and last 4 years spent one shotting everyone, but yea cry about bruisers

mack911211/26/2018, 4:53:07 AM4 votes

I enjoy the direction the game is going on and I have lived through many different iterations of this game.

This season was the most diverse meta I have had the opportunity to be a part of.

The new pres season changes are all a healthy direction for the game.

Pika Fox11/25/2018, 10:55:29 PM2 votes

It would be utterly fucking stupid for defense to outscale offense, or even stay on par. There would be literally 0 reason not to build defense, and ADCs would never be viable or playable. Amumu would be the best champion in the game, and theres nothing you could do about it.

Base damage exists, and as long as defense is even remotely as good as offense, defense will always reign supreme.