PLEASE NERF JHIN

D357R0Y3R·Aug 25, 2018·122 votes·21,735 views

riot please i can't take it anymore, it's a fucking PAIN TO PLAY AGAINST THIS SHIT, especially when he has 30% pick rate god

how can you even think that this is balanced you can't fight him from range because he still has damage from 2k range you can't fight him in medium range because he 2 shots anyone you can't dive him because he gets 700 ms

I don't understand what i'm supposed to do, Lucian should be able to burst all squishies because he has 500 range but if jhin who has 550 range kills me before i finish my combo how the fuck am I supposed to play this game. Oh right fight him when he reloads oh wait he's running away with the speed of a rocket.

it's just comon sense to know that a champion you can't fight from range, and you can't fight in close range is stupid

106 Comments

I NEED HEALlNGAug 25, 201833 votes

Draven {{champion:142} Zed Leblanc MissFortune Kaisa Talon Aatrox AurelionSol But jhin is an issue

AirKingNeoAug 26, 20185 votes

Brand is an issue? Where is Brand being picked?

EDIT: For those who aren't using statistics as your basis: https://www.op.gg/champion/brand/statistics/support

LaurëntAug 26, 201817 votes

https://puu.sh/BkuX2/d9e2ddf023.png

VERY popular support.

fƒ15Aug 26, 201810 votes

Jinx Zoe MasterYi Garen

Neptunia xoxoAug 26, 20182 votes

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{{champion:142} But jhin is an issue

dunno why brand is on that list same with asol lol

FeelingOrnnyAug 26, 20181 votes

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dunno why brand is on that list same with asol lol

Yah asol shouldn't be on that list, would disagree about brand if he get dived on by melees he will just ult and E and take at least one with him because of his bullshit passive damage.

Neptunia xoxoAug 26, 20182 votes

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Yah asol shouldn't be on that list, would disagree about brand if he get dived on by melees he will just ult and E and take at least one with him because of his bullshit passive damage.

Only way that would happen is if everyone stacked on top of each other for every passive and ulti bounce. but k

AirKingNeoAug 26, 20182 votes

so basically everyone forgets how to play against malphite

THE RlVER KlNGAug 26, 20182 votes

multiple champions can be an issue?

jhin can be overpowered while miss fortune, draven, brand, etc. can also be overpowered

this is a garbage comment

MizayaAug 26, 201822 votes

I think nerf stormrazor first

After3permaAug 26, 201812 votes

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I think nerf stormrazor first

I think remove stormrazor first

Sire HippingtonAug 27, 20181 votes

nerf probably results in the same. The only thing meaningfull it gives is upfront burst, which also is what makes it broken. If the burst is relevant enough, it will remain an issue, if the burst is nerfed to much, no one will use it and it's basically removed...

HayaishiAug 25, 201811 votes

please don't, half the adc roster is garbage.

Rock MDAug 25, 201879 votes

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please don't, half the adc roster is garbage.

Let's not touch an obviously oppressive, busted pick because his peers are bad.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/498/1300044776986.jpg

ValiantKillerAug 25, 201852 votes

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Let's not touch an obviously oppressive, busted pick because his peers are bad.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/498/1300044776986.jpg

Add to that fact, that him along Draven and MissFortune are the reason most of adc are garbage cause they can't win lane against them.

Crimson ZeppelinAug 26, 201830 votes

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Add to that fact, that him along and are the reason most of adc are garbage cause they can't win lane against them.

Honestly I do not get HOW MF is even allowed to get a lucky crit off her Q and bust my health 60% off my support which got freshly back to lane.

How the hell in the minds of the balance team is this even balanced.

SithesisLordAug 26, 20184 votes

lucky crit off her Q

It´s ANYTHING but lucky, as it requires the unit she Q'ed to die to it for the bounce to crit.

Plus, the bounce range is small. Take the level 1 minion wave as an example. If she Qs the middle melee minion, the max range bounce cone length is just after the caster minions line and its width is about 30 degrees.

MF isn´t hitting that Q bounce on you unless you position exactly for her to hit it. Plus, MF is only a problem right now because surprise surprise, Duskblade for some idiotic reason still exists.

BarcidAug 26, 20182 votes

I mean... if Jhin's a massive problem and his free damage on his Q requires him to first bounce it off 3 minions and have it luckily actually target a champion to gimp 30% of their health at most, pretty sure hitting a Q on MF - which has a pretty low cooldown along with a much simpler and more reliable mechanic - shouldn't gimp 60% of anyone's health ever.

Wasn't okay when Zoe was (still is) doing it, not really okay for MF to do it, either.

TempName54846Aug 26, 20184 votes

just dont stand behind a dying minion?

After3permaAug 26, 20187 votes

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just dont stand behind a dying minion?

Doesn't matter because Miss Fortunes Q randomly hit whatever the fuck it feels like. You can't even predict who it's gonna hit.

Neptunia xoxoAug 26, 20182 votes

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Doesn't matter because Miss Fortunes Q randomly hit whatever the fuck it feels like. You can't even predict who it's gonna hit.

You can play around MF Q in lane very easily. The only problem MF actually has is Lethality scaling a huge amount on her making it so if you actually get hit by her Q you get half health or if shes fed as hell you get 100-0d. It's literally all Lethality that have been causing issues.

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 26, 20182 votes

Thing is I would be fine with MF's Q damage if it was her secondary bounce (when she kills someone and it bounces to you) but with this new Dark Harvest MF, she can just point to click on you to still deal a lot of damage.

ValiantKillerAug 27, 20181 votes

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Honestly I do not get HOW MF is even allowed to get a lucky crit off her Q and bust my health 60% off my support which got freshly back to lane.

How the hell in the minds of the balance team is this even balanced.

The same mind who let Zoe run around picking random good stuff early in game before anyone get items from stupid ignite to item 3107

KingAxleOct 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crimson Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MrO6E6et,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-26T01:20:49.834+0000)

Honestly I do not get HOW MF is even allowed to get a lucky crit off her Q and bust my health 60% off my support which got freshly back to lane.

How the hell in the minds of the balance team is this even balanced.

It is not a lucky crit, because it only happens when the minion is killed with the Q, that the crit happens. Or she builds crit and it can crit on the first one sometimes. But early game it is the MF's job to attempt to get the bounce off from the low minion to the enemy laner; which is a very difficult thing to do and requires a lot of practice if you are against a good laner. Everything >Gold walks into it which is why she has such a high win-rate in low elo because people don't know how to lane against an MF.

BiochemicalZombiAug 27, 20181 votes

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Add to that fact, that him along and are the reason most of adc are garbage cause they can't win lane against them.

You know what, Draven is a good lane bully matchup vs adc's because hes a lane bully. But you want to know how to fuck him so hard, this is coming from a draven main

You pick Yasuo And you windwall his axes in lane/ teamfights.

And boom thats 70% of his damage output. Fk that champ

Also pick Nami Zyra Vs him Draven doesn't need to worry about the adc's dmg unless your playing jhin/ashe. The scariest part is the support for him early game, Brand will poke him down a stupid amount since he has to catch axes Nami will auto e(? The healing one or w/e) and proc aery. Zyra's the same thing as brand. You litterally put your shitty plant monster bs and do the spikey shit on your axes, rinse repeat.

P.S. Screw yasuo's windwall that shit is unfun to play against.

ValiantKillerAug 27, 20181 votes

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You know what, Draven is a good lane bully matchup vs adc's because hes a lane bully. But you want to know how to fuck him so hard, this is coming from a draven main

You pick And you windwall his axes in lane/ teamfights.

And boom thats 70% of his damage output. Fk that champ

Also pick Vs him Draven doesn't need to worry about the adc's dmg unless your playing jhin/ashe. The scariest part is the support for him early game, Brand will poke him down a stupid amount since he has to catch axes Nami will auto e(? The healing one or w/e) and proc aery. Zyra's the same thing as brand. You litterally put your shitty plant monster bs and do the spikey shit on your axes, rinse repeat.

P.S. Screw yasuo's windwall that shit is unfun to play against.

Yasuo Zoe Aatrox should just throw in trash can and deleted from game. Aside from Yasuo, you know very well that draven, mf and jhin destroy lane for other adc to be viable special in meta that decide so early by lane phase.

Somber RitesAug 26, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MrO6E6et,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T22:53:06.443+0000)

Let's not touch an obviously oppressive, busted pick because his peers are bad.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/498/1300044776986.jpg

Or, ya know, just nerf the item that made him so unbearable item 3095

Rock MDAug 26, 20182 votes

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Or, ya know, just nerf the item that made him so unbearable

When I say nerf Jhin, that doesn't mean a direct nerf.

It means I want Riot to touch something that makes him oppressive to play against. It could be Stormrazor for its synergy with his passive. But, if Riot intends to keep the item, it could also be his passive that needs to be toned down.

AxzariousAug 26, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MrO6E6et,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-25T22:53:06.443+0000)

Let's not touch an obviously oppressive, busted pick because his peers are bad.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/498/1300044776986.jpg

ADC has always suffered from the problem of 3 or 4 meta picks crowding out everyone else because when you get down to it, ADCs are just a vessel for auto attacks and stat checking.

SanKakUAug 26, 20188 votes

Guys, you're overreacting. The main issue is not Jhin's Hail or Blades nor is it the new item that synergizes too well with him. It's usually your decision to run from him in the first place. Hail of Blades has less overall damage output than Conqueror and less than Summon Aery.

The reason this new meta Jhin beats you is because 1) you run from him unnecessarily and that allows his Hail of Blades to refresh(assuming you successfully disengaged/escaped) and do more damage again or 2) his support is doing too much damage and enhancing his executioner's damage or 3) you forgot resolve and don't have enough health to avoid dying to his executioner's damage. If you're not taking Second Wind every time against a Jhin, I don't want to see you crying about your health pool disappearing because you can't handle his executioner's damage. It will be a buffer against his lane partner's harass so that you can duel him without getting too low.

Regarding his passive, the wiki tells us:

The fourth attack is guaranteed to critically strike, dealing 15 / 20 / 25% [at levels 1 / 6 / 11] of the target's missing health bonus physical damage.

And as for the ultimate:

Curtain Call's damage is increased by 0% - 250% (based on target's missing health), and the final shot critically strikes for 100% increased total damage.

Either zone out his lane partner or find a way to heal back the damage they are causing, or expect Jhin to do what he does best. You shouldn't blame your opponents for your own mistakes.

Lane partners for Jhin like Brand are totally beatable, but a lot of people don't know how to play against whatever lane partner Jhin has. That's not the lane partner's fault, that's their enemies' fault, that means you and your lane partner for not knowing how to best avoid their combos.

I have to admit though, that Jhin's W is a lot scarier with someone like Brand in particular helping him since his damage over time can get very dangerous.

THE RlVER KlNGAug 26, 20184 votes

guaranteed crit on an item is stupid when you have a champion that gets twice as much ad as everyone else and has free built in kiting

Anei NekoAug 26, 20182 votes

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guaranteed crit on an item is stupid when you have a champion that gets twice as much ad as everyone else and has free built in kiting

On a champion who literally cannot attack more than like 40-45% as fast as every other crit adc, which is why he gets more ad. he hits slower but harder, for by-the-numbers similar overall damage with same items.

LuminierAug 26, 20187 votes

I think he definitely needs his movement speed bonuses looked at. Not sure if nerfing his damage is the way to go. Stormrazor definitely kicked him into overdrive.

ProfDrDeathAug 26, 20185 votes

Not just Stormrazor - Hail of Blades is as much of a culprit, since the MS boost of his passive scales with AS.

Maybe have that passive effect only scale with permanent AS?

LuminierAug 27, 20181 votes

Right, I forgot about that Rune. That too. He has a lot going for him, right now.

DartExplosion10Aug 26, 20185 votes

nerf the items jhin gets instead because he wasnt an issue before stormrazor

JohnnyNeverSinsAug 26, 20185 votes

Change the title to "remove stormrazor" jhin was fine before that cancerous item and the new rune released..nerf the reason a champion is broken not the champion..

Fízz v2Aug 25, 20184 votes

but he isnt hyper mobile, so he cant do anything hehe

Irelia BotAug 26, 20181 votes

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but he isnt hyper mobile, so he cant do anything hehe

10% + .04% movement speed for 2 seconds on crit + stormrazor 20% MS for .75 seconds.

Unless you happen to be playing Jarvan there is no keeping up with him if you take more than half a second to kill him.

D357R0Y3RAug 26, 20183 votes

he wasn't serious m8

Curious KatAug 26, 20184 votes

Don't forget crit/lethality fucking GP.

Doesn't need his barrels, the core part of his entire fucking design. Just right clicks you for 1000 damage, gets 500 damage from his passive, then 300 from the fucking duskblade...

Man i hate being outplayed by a single right click. Cancerous bullshit game.

panexinAug 26, 20183 votes

Oh, Jhin needs nerfs?

I wouldn't know, he's on my permaban status.

Nami :D

MOOODDYAug 26, 20183 votes

Don't nerf Jhin , nerf the ITEMS that he uses or REMOVE THEM .

Summonah12369Aug 26, 20183 votes

Diana shield and burst dmg. Shen can take 0 dmg at level 1.

MOLTinaTORAug 26, 20183 votes

Hell no riot shouldn't touch jhin! Instead they need to delete this abomination of an item item 3095

TheCodeisCupCakeAug 26, 20183 votes

I mean u can't fight Lucian melee or ranged either.

(but yes nerf join please)

DarkSoul1994Aug 26, 20182 votes

I just don't like how 'safe' Jhin is with Stormrazor. Perhaps he MS passive needs to be revised so that it scales off the strength of the crit. Since Stormrazor only crits for 160% (instead of 200%) it would provide Jhin less MS and thus make him less safe when he walks in for those Stormrazor crits.