I must say, these Veigar changes are the best thing to happen to the game in a long time! <3

Lafouboy··3 votes·832 views

Veigar's changes are so good. I always hated playing against a champion that could cheese me instantly at level 6 after getting me down to around 3/4 HP. It was the easiest stun ever to hit if you got good with it, and the fact it was point + click made it even worse, as I couldn't even dodge the damage. Undodgable damage + undodgable stun = 0 counterplay THE CHAMPION. The best you could do is build a QSS or a Banshee's Veil (hoping it wouldn't get popped by someone else before the Veigar decided to try and insta-gib you just for breathing the same air within a 20 foot radius of him. Sure, he had absolutely no impact on a teamfight after his insta-gib, but the fact he could take anyone out of a fight instantly made him ridiculous. Adding counterplay onto his kit is something I embrace.

To be quite frank, even Lee Sin has more counterplay against him than old Veigar did. Annie has the same bad design going on as Veigar; almost guaranteed stun if you mastered her ranges/radius of the Tibbers ult. I hope they give Annie the Veigar treatment also, maybe make it so Tibbers has to be summoned over a full second and/or that she has to charge her W for .5 seconds before casting it. Maybe make it so that her Q is unable to stun also while we are at it. We can compensate her by increasing her ranges and lowering her mana costs somewhat; maybe make her Q a skillshot also that explodes in AOE on-hit, thus giving it a reason to still be allowed to stun instead of "point, click, stun".

We need to stop looking at champions who have kits that are already fleshed out and balanced, like Leblanc, Lee Sin, Zed, and (now) Kalista and think more of how to properly fix the underplayed champions in healthy ways that could bring them back into viability, because constant nerfing is what you guys hate Riot doing. Fix through buffs/changes instead of just nerfing other champions currently considered overplayed due to their current healthy gameplay in the meta into obscurity. Doing that only creates more Azir scenarios (38% win rate).

Veigar does need buffs, but Riot did their best to fix this unhealthy and completely broken champion (kit, not power/effectiveness in the meta) and should not be constantly shamed due to increasing strategic diversity in the game. Jungle is going in a good direction also. Sure, only a few junglers are effective at the moment as you all have said a million times over and over in the forums, but Riot is only doing this to increase jungler diversity. The less junglers that are effective, the more chances for the meta to shift into making other junglers effective. I think that is how it works; nonetheless, Riot knows what they are doing, they are experts. Now please stop spamming the forums with Riot flame threads and focus more on how awesome the skins Riot have been releasing are. Seriously, DJ Sona is one of Riot's best skins ever, my favorite ultimate skin for sure. Everyone should help support Riot by buying more of their skins. You will get AWESOME skins that Riot works extremely hard on and puts a lot of time into AND help them keep the hardworking people in their company stay funded so they can keep bringing us this AWESOME content, like more skins, champs, and better changes to the overall game that will bring more strategic diversity to help switch up the game from the usual meta. Remember, all you have to do is buy some SWEET flair. It doesn't even cost that much. Be cool, buy skins.

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mirAcIe3 votes

Last time I've played against Veigar was in 2011 anyway. On a side note I just played with a post-patch Veigar on my team and we won.

Lafouboy2 votes

See. Riot knows what they are doing. Believe me, I am not a Riot employee, but instead a normal League of Legends player like you. I know what is good, because I form my own opinions based on my gameplay and experience. Riot has done a healthy thing that will overall help Veigar grow as a champion. This change is good for him and his viability. Trust me. Also, you should totally buy the Final Boss Veigar skin. It is radical, also it helps support Riot who makes this AWESOME game. WOW! SO COOL!

mirAcIe2 votes

I have to buy Veigar first then. Which I'm not willing to do.

AkabaneKun2 votes

item 3140 summoner 1 2hard2think.

Flaming Tribble1 votes

all I see is someone QQing about how viegar beat the stuffing out of them because they don't know how to deal with him. You ever heard of tenacity? I play veigar a lot and I dread that, cuase people often get out of my stun before I can do jack squat to them. Veigar was totally coutnerable...just because you didn't know how doesn't make you right.

Jefftiffy1 votes

Buy item 3111item 3725 item 3721 item 3717 item 3709 . Never get hit again. It didn't need nerfs there is enough tenacity in this game that the counter play was here but people even in higher elos than me can't figure it out. And with merc treads you even have MR.

Makes me wonder how I am trapped in silver when people in gold+ don't know how to counter build against less picked people.

WatchdaWorldBurn1 votes

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We need to stop looking at champions who have kits that are already fleshed out and balanced, like Leblanc, Lee Sin, Zed, and (now) Kalista

Lol wut? Leblanc is the one of the most cancerous champions in the game and has very little counterplay even now that she doesn't silence. NO ONE enjoy's playing mid lane against a LB. Zed is equally as cancerous and his safety/escape is broken (ironically he's the LEAST broken of the 4 champs you mentioned). Lee Sin has been the most dominant jungler in the game since ive been playing in S2 and crowds out so many other jungle picks because players don't wanna bother playing something significantly weaker and dying at lvl 2 to a Lee Sin invade. #junglediversity

And Kalista.........is the most absurdly broken, unhealthy, frustrating to play against, anti fun, cancerous to the 10th power champion I've seen in this game since I've started playing.

You're opinion is so backwards its almost laughable, if it weren't so fucking infuriating. Please be quiet.

SheStupidThicc1 votes

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Lol wut? Leblanc is the one of the most cancerous champions in the game and has very little counterplay even now that she doesn't silence. NO ONE enjoy's playing mid lane against a LB. Zed is equally as cancerous and his safety/escape is broken (ironically he's the LEAST broken of the 4 champs you mentioned). Lee Sin has been the most dominant jungler in the game since ive been playing in S2 and crowds out so many other jungle picks because players don't wanna bother playing something significantly weaker and dying at lvl 2 to a Lee Sin invade. #junglediversity

And Kalista.........is the most absurdly broken, unhealthy, frustrating to play against, anti fun, cancerous to the 10th power champion I've seen in this game since I've started playing.

You're opinion is so backwards its almost laughable, if it weren't so fucking infuriating. Please be quiet.

An unranked player saying that 4 mechanically intensive champions, 3 of whom are skill shot reliant and all of whom have negative winrates in average elos, broken and cancerous is laughable and somewhat infuriating.

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