So are you planning on nerfing...

Death by Glamour·Jan 20, 2016·2 votes·719 views

Gotta love the downvotes rather than just having a debate about it. Either way all these champs will eventually be nerfed...

Ahri - she has everything mobility cc sustain high damage and wave clear, and people say yasou has an overloaded kit. And people moaned about lux atleast all of her abilities are skillshots!

Mf - does her ult seriously need crit chance? No it doesnt remove it.

Ryze - perma root while in passive... yeh how about we tonne that down just abit, i do want a chance to escape when he goes ham as a melee.

24 Comments

SachabotJan 20, 20163 votes

No point in debating on a QQ thread. You're voicing your opinions as statements of fact, maybe change that before complaining about the lack of debate.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

So because i mention the a champion needs looked at its a qq thread?

Mf and ahri have around 55% win rate at around 20 to 25% playrate... pretty good stats wouldnt you agree.

Ahri does have an overloaded kit or do you deny this?

Mf does have do much damage on her ult does she no?

Ryze is a sumply a qq i will concede on that one but still its something imo that needs looked at.

SachabotJan 20, 20162 votes

No, it's a QQ thread because of your wording and general lack of an objective perspective.

Mf and ahri have around 55% win rate at around 20 to 25% playrate... pretty good stats wouldnt you agree.

That is a pretty good playrate/winrate. Neither of these stats mean anything alone or together.

Ahri does have an overloaded kit or do you deny this?

Next to who? Annie? Ryze? She has a very mobile kit, but that's her playstyle: the kiting, playful, in-and-out mage. If she bursts you down without her charm, it's because she's fed, not because she's overloaded. Her one(1) single-target CC cements her as an assassin, and has a decent cooldown on it. Her sustain....eh, I don't really care either way about it. It's not especially strong until she does tons of damage, and then you have other problems.

Mf does have do much damage on her ult does she no?

Well, yeah. That's also her thing: The big wombo AoE showstopper. It's absurd right now because crit is in every item she could possibly want, and is also broken. If that got changed, she'd probably be fine, not that I can test that out.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

Ahri isnt an assasin... shes an aoe caster nowadays

She is mobile Aoe damage Wave clear Sustain CC

Basically everything you want as a midlaner with little to no drawbacks.

SachabotJan 20, 20161 votes

Xerath is an AoE caster. Ahri is not. Skills cover an area != AoE Caster.

Two of them are line shots and two of them are homing targeted spells. The latter don't hit anything other than their target, and only one of her line spells penetrates anything. That's pretty poor area-of-effect casting.

Oh, and she's an easy repeat gank, because most of her mobility is tied up in her ultimate. Despite her waveclear and sustain, if she doesn't get kills or force you out the best she can do is stay even in CS, which probably works better for you. She also falls off late, although given the state of the meta that's not particularly important unless one team gets ahead and rushes the endgame.

She requires thought and planning to fight against, but she's neither impossible to beat or even overloaded.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

Shes an easy repeat gank after

You get her flash ult q speed boost... seriously dude thats clutching at straws now.

Blow a xeraths flash now thats a good repeat gank.

Im sorry but if you think shes an assasin go look at what riot themselves said about her changes when they removed dfg.

SachabotJan 20, 20161 votes

You get her flash ult q speed boost... seriously dude thats clutching at straws now.

Nah, one for flash or ult/ immediate turn around for other, clear a camp or two, then all-in from both members for the kill. Plus now you've set her to tilt. I never said it was easy. Thus:

She requires thought and planning to fight against

It's amazing how often ganks began to work for me once I started communicating with my jungler.

ZephyrDrakeJan 20, 20161 votes

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So because i mention the a champion needs looked at its a qq thread?

Mf and ahri have around 55% win rate at around 20 to 25% playrate... pretty good stats wouldnt you agree.

Ahri does have an overloaded kit or do you deny this?

Mf does have do much damage on her ult does she no?

Ryze is a sumply a qq i will concede on that one but still its something imo that needs looked at.

it doesn't matter that MF's ult does too much damage, it roots her in place making her unable to move while using it. Any form of CC will interrupt it and you can simply walk out of it. If she is that close to you to actually hit you with an E and you have no escapes nor CC and have little to no armor? then it's your own fault.

Ahri is so dependent on hitting you with a charm to do anything that if you dodge her charm she will think twice before going all in. Could she be toned down slightly? yes, is she as "OP/broken" as you make her sound? no!

Ryze has that one moment of strength, do not engage him if he has his passive up, get away from him until he loses his passive, that's when it's time to all in him and ruin his day. Learn to play around his passive

maxaroni118Jan 20, 20162 votes

none of these champs are broken

either it is just your cockiness leading u into these traps or ur just plain bad

ahri is highly dependent on landing her e and q for unloading a combo to 100-0

ryze is not a very strong sustain wise champ and outputs massive damage only when u are stupid enough to get caught with no escape

mf's ult u can literally walk out of and if u build some armor u should be totally fine

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

Ahri currently has the highest win rate of the midlaners. Has a completely overloaded kit that cannot be denied. Having 2 skillshots doesnt mean you can have everthing.

You cannot escape ryze if he catches you with his passive up.... the roots get chained. Sure mid hes fine, top os a different story.

Take notice how i mention that you use her e which is a slow (it reduces your movement speed) with her r (that big damage thing) so simply walking out of it can be a bit difficult. Thier is also something called stuns or roots (these lock you in place!) Making it even easier for her to channel her ult. How many adcs build a randuins, how many supports have the gold to buy armour early, how many midlaners rush a zhonyias if they are against a lix or ahri mid?

You arguements are just silly put some effort in next time.

IronwallJacksonJan 20, 20161 votes

I have literally never heard anyone claim that Ahri has an overloaded kit. I've heard that Yasuo, Ekko, Zed, and Lee-Sin have those sorts of kits, and that's because they have more mechanics than the number of abilities they possess.

But Ahri? The has sustain passive, one damage skillshot, one cc skillshot, one seeking... thing, and her triple dash that comes with another sort of attached W. What part of that is overloaded? She doesn't even have any interaction within her kit.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

Coughs

Good mobility check

Wave clear check

Massvie aoe damage check

Cc check

Self sustain check

Which midlaner has all of these?

SachabotJan 20, 20161 votes

Ekko. Lulu, I guess technically.

Edit: Orianna.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

I know little to nothing about ekko but i will concede the point even though his ult isnt sustain.

Lulu massive damage? She has two damage abilities.

Ori has no sustain and i didnt know she could dart around the map.

SachabotJan 20, 20162 votes

Your definition of sustain seems to be up in the air. I define it as any ability/item that increases your effective HP or decreases the amount of damage you take. You know, for reference. In Ekko's case, both a shield and a heal.

Lulu's damage can get pretty big if she wants, and her AAs can hurt. She's no LB/Lux/whoever, but she hurts.

For Ori's sustain, see above. And while she's not globally as fast as many, she can reposition quickly in fights with her speed boost if needed.

ZephyrDrakeJan 20, 20161 votes

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Coughs

Good mobility check

Wave clear check

Massvie aoe damage check

Cc check

Self sustain check

Which midlaner has all of these?

oh lord, "massive aoe" what part of her kit has massive aoe? her Q? since that's the only part of her kit that resembles any sort of aoe and it's a line skill shot. She has a SINGLE TARGET CC. Her wave clear is ok. Her sustain is passable at best. She has good mobility and that's because that's her thing, she is a kiting mage, she will kite you to death or rush your face.

maxaroni118Jan 20, 20161 votes

umm are u stupid? Zed, Yasuo, and friggin corki mid! this guy is just salty everyone needs to ignore those kind of people

HEAljvLykdJan 20, 20161 votes

No, no, and no.

Death by GlamourJan 20, 20161 votes

We Shall See

NahuiJan 20, 20161 votes

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We Shall See

You're subjectively judging Ahri with your "Her kit is overloaded." How so? Damage, mobility, CC, sustain. Her whole combo is reliant on her CC. Her largest nuke has to hit twice to do good damage. Her fox fire requires her to be close to a target. Her CC is a linear skill shot that is very easy to predict. And her ult is just a repositioning mechanism. Ever get killed by an Ahri that didn't land charm? I haven't.

The Bearded BardJan 20, 20161 votes

Honestly I'd rather have skillshots than wonky autotargeting like Ahri's got. Half the time I'm 'out of range' because they're orbiting, the other half they go to the wrong target.

Dominick DestineJan 20, 20161 votes

Ahri's range is short and her defensive stats are trash.

ScumbagZedJan 20, 20161 votes

Just stop trying to argue with this guy. It can be said that all the adc's are insanely good right now because of how the meta is right now. Hell adc's make for a better jungler than traditional junglers nowadays. But its his opinion and no matter what you say it won't change it, these boards are here to voice our opinion :)