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trully baffled by how riot's brain works for this shit to go through patches without nerfs
Salson8 votesDo you have time to talk about out lord and savior 
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He's been shiting on people for 2 years now.
Ahristocats5 votesalso being nerfed, read meddler's post
but those adcs won't get nerfed if they do i'll be baffled myself
Salson1 votesOh come on, I'm sure they'll nerf them when they buff 
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If we don't have a broken adc overlord, we might do some dumb shit, like have fun or enjoy the game or someting.
HeresyHorus1 votesWhat ? ... Riot are buffing for real ? ...
I dont know what to say ...
Weaker ADC ( compared to other broken ADCs of course, as all ADC are freakin strong compared to other classes since their strengths vastly outweigh their weaknesses ) dont need buffs ffs, the broken ones need flat out nerfs without any compensations.
and people say Tioy dont love ADCs.
Pfft
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Salson2 votes is getting his Q buffed from 110% AD to 125% AD.
To be fair, he does need buffs, and a W rework.
got a minor buff.
buffs are 'on the table'.
will probably come into meta naturaly once the big 4 get nerfed.
Eternal7911 votesCould be a coincidence but I've already been seeing more Jinx's as of late. As a Jinx main, I have noticed she's stronger now than she has been in a while; not quite top tier, but still good.
Salson1 votes
got nerfed.
is pretty good, she could come on top once the broken shit is fixed.
AirKingNeo1 votesADCs aren't exactly a strong class.
Looks at tanks and mages and then tell me.
HeresyHorus1 votesu need to see rubick video with 
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than come and tell me, which other class can do the same thing even when supported like that ?
the answer is ... NONE, and sure not ur mighty mages and tanks.
i main fuked up ADC champs like 
in mods and aram and let me tell u ...
Mages are the easiest targets fro me to almost being free gold cuz i CAN avoid their skillshots.
Ahristocats2 votesi mean, kog is the only long range adc that can pretend to be a tank, due to his kit being messed up
airking is talking about adcs in general
HeresyHorus3 votes
can do the same 1v5 shit when supported.
someone recently uploaded a vid here with doing the same, being caught yet had a penta.
Ahristocats2 votesthey plan to nerf him, so that doesn't count
Big Lincoln3 votesgo home and be a family man
Ahristocats2 votes??
Big Lincoln5 votesmakin the mother of all omelettes
jwebb01132 votes
9.1% popularity 52.6% win rate 28.9% ban rate
how did you not include draven in your bitching ?
Penns3 votesthey plan to nerf him, so that doesn't count
Umbra Z1 votes
how did you not include draven in your bitching ?
Because hes only really op if he's ahead, the other 3 can be 0-20 but still shred your team with enough time, which is really only a about ie+zeal upgrade
jwebb01133 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbra Z,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2017-08-20T18:47:53.569+0000)
Because hes only really op if he's ahead, the other 3 can be 0-20 but still shred your team with enough time, which is really only a about ie+zeal upgrade
he dont have a bad match up... he is super strong early game and snowball likes crazy
Umbra Z1 voteshe dont have a bad match up... he is super strong early game and snowball likes crazy
But if your botlane knows how to play the lane safe or jungler can gank them effectively and let the adc outscale, they win by default.
jwebb01132 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbra Z,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2017-08-20T18:52:47.246+0000)
But if your botlane knows how to play the lane safe or jungler can gank them effectively and let the adc outscale, they win by default.
so basically make zero mistakes, dont play argo and ask for help
when any one else uses that to play around a strong early game bully they cry thats not counter play and the champ is oppressive
Heriba1 voteswell to be honest his only bad match up is cait and since she got dumperested hes king, but i get your point
jwebb01131 voteswell to be honest his only bad match up is cait and since she got dumperested hes king, but i get your point
if you go and look at draven at http://current.lolalytics.com/champion/Draven/ his best win rate is against caitlyn
and if you look at the picks that counter him he is even if not favored in all of them
Ahristocats2 votesbecause he's being nerfed
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesBecause while he often makes valid points he only takes what directly hurts his playstyle. Draven is easily punished by his playstyle. Long range trist kog and twitch are not.
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Ahristocats10 votesit's not because they have more than 50% win rate it's because they have a high ban rate+are one of the most popular champions
just like pre-nerf cait
champions with such stats should not remain untouched
[{quoted}](name=Fate Fire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-08-20T19:13:37.167+0000)
If you're constantly on tilt
i'm not tilted LUL, i play Kog
[{quoted}](name=Fate Fire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-08-20T19:13:37.167+0000)
Come, join me for Path of the Exiles, a breather is all you need not to murder random strangers. <3
thanks i guess, but i'm playing a lot of dota2 now, waiting for someone to comeback so i can play with her again on league
HeresyHorus3 voteswaiting for someone to comeback so i can play with her again on league
Waiting for me darling ?
Ahristocats3 votesNo...?
HeresyHorus3 votes[zombie-nunu-tears]
Ahristocats2 votesit mean, how would it make sense in the first place if i waited someone who doesn't play on EUW
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Ahristocats4 votesthere are still champions with <10% pick rate and <50% win rate but they do not have 40% ban rate
janna for instance had 15% pick rate and 53% win rate before all her indirect buffs, but 0% ban rate which means players felt like janna was balanced now her ban rate skyrocked
if kog twitch trist are massively banned, then it means that the community (high elo since it's diamond+) feels like they aren't balanced, and fact that they have are popular AND do well proves that, unlike yasuo who has >50% win rate and is banned just because of frustration (his ban rate also drops in high elo)
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Ahristocats4 votescenser got popular (without buffs) coin got buffed
that's what happened
jwebb01132 voteswanna know what all 3 of those champs have in common ?
due to the outcry over her and her being constantly nerfed ( of recent) and gutted and perma banned these 3 become more dominate
you got what you wished for
Ahristocats2 votesi wish balance i wished cait to not be overpowered
that doesn't mean i wished for kog trist and twitch to be overpowered
jwebb01133 votes[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-08-20T20:17:05.507+0000)
i wish balance i wished cait to not be overpowered
that doesn't mean i wished for kog trist and twitch to be overpowered
but there is balance by having imbalance certain champs just kinda create this lid on the imbalance of other champs trist was 2nd tier at best til cait got gutted... now there is zero reason to pick or play cait... she just is outshined in every aspect... dps. lane control. bully. range, scaling. etc
and when this happens it allows other champs to be stronger ... it wasnt that they were imbalance it just makes them strong cuz the champ that kept them in check is trash
and every one bitches and crys about counter play and blah blah blah but outside super high elo and pro play they dont understand win conditions and power spikes and timing of the game to take advantage and play to their strengths with this aspects and use it to exploit the weakness of their enemies in this aspect ...
no im never gonna be mechanically good enough to be diamond but to say i couldnt understand concepts and aspects of the game on a higher level isnt true...
just as in pro sports most of the coaches are people who can teach and have a way of understanding of the game and what goes into it but might not have the physical tools to do so at the highest level.
for example this is a couple of years old but only 19 % of the head coaches in the NFL were former players in the NFL http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000383420/printable/report-19-percent-of-nfl-coaches-have-experience-playing-in-league
and most of those who were former players non were HOF stars in the league most were role players or back ups who might not of been as talented as others on the field but had a understanding of the game from a mental aspect that allows them to be coaches ...
Ahristocats2 votesbut there is balance by having imbalance
i don't care it's not fun to get literally destroyed by cait through the laning phase than through sieging and teamfighting
so it's only natural for me to wish cait to be balanced, that does not mean i want kog to be a 710 range tank
jwebb01132 votes[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yR9ml6uE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-20T20:34:49.864+0000)
i don't care it's not fun to get literally destroyed by cait through the laning phase than through sieging and teamfighting
so it's only natural for me to wish cait to be balanced, that does not mean i want kog to be a 710 range tank
kog is bad to the same thing he has always be bad to... burst and gap closers , high mobility
if you try to play darius and run up to him he is gonna kill you before you get close
Slythion3 votesyou obviously are not up-to-date with high elo Kog, nor Rubick's (and other's) several posts addressing that exact argument
jwebb01132 votesyou obviously are not up-to-date with high elo Kog, nor Rubick's (and other's) several posts addressing that exact argument
then if im not why dont you provide information instead of a snide comment ?
Slythion3 votesbecause repeating things in a place where the very same information is can be annoying, but my intentions were not to be snide but to encourage you to research the topic yourself
In essence, there is a current Kog Maw build that provides a lot of resistances and, because he utilizes on-hit effects and shred so well, he still tears through everyone. Add this plus the current "shield, heals, and everything support related" meta we find ourselves in often ends up making Kog into what Rubick commonly describes as a "710 range tank"...which isn't much of an exaggeration
jwebb01132 votesbecause repeating things in a place where the very same information is can be annoying, but my intentions were not to be snide but to encourage you to research the topic yourself
In essence, there is a current Kog Maw build that provides a lot of resistances and, because he utilizes on-hit effects and shred so well, he still tears through everyone. Add this plus the current "shield, heals, and everything support related" meta we find ourselves in often ends up making Kog into what Rubick commonly describes as a "710 range tank"...which isn't much of an exaggeration
yet his most common core build is 
and he typically has a higher win rate with 
over 
(chances he builds tabis to deal with lethality builds and assassins ) and his most common 4th and 5th items are 
but he typically dont build these til 30+ mins into the game therefore just like typically hyper carry late game adc that kogmaw is if you let him get to 5 items he is gonna wreck anything infront of him
( oh i did research this is based on most common build items in diamond + )
so the really the only odd no typical ad item in his build is the mallet
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesI think Riot is composed of multiple people.
Therefore, multiple brains.
Big Lincoln4 votesall inferior to my infinite intellect
