Where are they?
The bug fix did nothing to his win rate or pick rate (as expected), hes still ridiculously broken.
Just nerf him already, blind pick bot lane is unplayable this fker is in every game and hes a whole tier ahead of every other adc that isnt MF.
The Yetii Rider14 votesJust because there's no nerf doesn't mean Riot thinks he isn't an issue. They might just be experimenting with ways to balance Klepto Ez that doesn't gut Comet Ez. Ez already has a hard time using Comet because he has 0 CC.
PokladnicaZla2 votesUmm,myb Idk Ez could go Precision instead? Like the rest of the ADCs?
The Yetii Rider8 votesEzreal isn't a marksman in the traditional sense, he's a marksman/mage. The mage part there is key, to the point where Riot changed how his Mystic Shot worked after six years specifically to have it proc on spell effects so that it would be able to use Arcane Comet. Riot clearly expects Ezreal to use Arcane Comet, or perhaps Summon: Aery because of its reliability. However, they just nerfed Summon: Aery, so they probably have to really consider how to nerf Ezreal in a way that doesn't hurt the rest of his uses. After all, Klepto Ez is only so powerful because he can trigger Kleptomancy a lot more often than other characters. But how do you even nerf that? You can't nerf Ezreal's Q without hurting all forms of Ezreal, and you can't nerf Kleptomancy withoug making it worse on every other character who wants to use Kleptomancy and ISN'T broken with it.
So, if you think it should be nerfed, tell us how.
PokladnicaZla4 votesFirstly,Ez's bug should be fixed (double Muramana proc). Secondly,rework his W into something that's actually useful.
They likely changed his Q so AP Ez could be more viable,but that doesn't mean ADC Ez has to strictly go Sorcery.
Death Rex5 votesRework him maybe? I feel like Ezreal is strange through and trough, be it lore, kit or builds.
Weiss Guertena2 votesSadly, they can and probably will nerf Kleptomancy and make it worse for everyone not named Ezreal, as proven time and time again with every otherwise rather balanced item he (ab)used.
Faceroll Tactics4 votesPerhaps we can treat ezreal like every other champion that isn’t a marksman and nerf them directly?
The Yetii Rider6 votesIf you nerf Ezreal's damage or his durability or his mana costs that isn't going to change his interaction with Kleptomancy at all, it's just going to make him more reliant on buying Trinity Force as quickly as possible, which means any build that ISN'T Kleptomancy will be total shit.
Jet Sett2 votesThe issue presented here is we either nerf a keystone, or we nerf a champion. I believe everyone already knew how likely it was that there was going to be things like this happening, where a champion would be too strong with one mastery, so we nerf them to balance it out which then hurts their diversity. Or we nerf the mastery and make it weaker on other champions which could unintentionally hurt THEIR diversity.
Azadethe2 votesMuramana scales damage on Ez far more than the trinity.
SweedishGunner1 votesYou go both Muramana and Trinity, he's basically always gone a tear and sheen item.
Azadethe2 votesThe 56% Ez's are rushing Manamune atm before even touching Sheen. The damage on a Muramana does more damage than a trinity, because Trinity is only an additional 2X your base AD. On Ez trinity is only 192 - 315, based on level, and has a cooldown. Muramana adds MUCH more Bonus AD, and the proc has no cooldown and does 181- 380, depending on mana.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesThis is just the result of powercreeping once again. Instead of nerfing what is op: enchanter/crit botlane Rito buffed ezreal which ofc had no effect. Then rito comes with new runes wow the recently buffed champ is op. Take the buffs back and lets see what happens then.
Sewer Side1 votes[{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yOrOrtwQ,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-11-20T21:47:39.033+0000)
Perhaps we can treat ezreal like every other champion that isn’t a marksman and nerf them directly?
Implying tanks aren't miraclously avoiding their much deserved nerf hammer.
Faceroll Tactics6 votesTanks are only strong because they can survive 2 shots from a twitch, they ruined Galio and nerfed Sej, what tanks are you struggling with?
Thilmer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yOrOrtwQ,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2017-11-21T02:17:56.369+0000)
Implying tanks aren't miraclously avoiding their much deserved nerf hammer.
I don't undeestand this message. Tanks are purebullshit at the moment.
Sewer Side1 votesThat's what my message is implying and they keep evading nerfs
Thilmer2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sewer Side,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yOrOrtwQ,comment-id=00020001000100010000,timestamp=2017-11-21T16:42:42.029+0000)
That's what my message is implying and they keep evading nerfs
Hahahahaha...
No, tanks are pure bullshit because they are so bad, not because they are overpowered.
Cosnirak14 votesHave you seen Aery Ezreal? Or Electrocute Ezreal? Or Dark Harvest Ezreal? Ezreal is the problem, not Klepto.
Remlap12233 votesGlacial Augment jungle Ezreal.
Black Alistar5 votesHave you checked the winrates on any ezreal build that doesn't go Klepto?
Klepto is the problem, not Ezreal.
Succubús GF11 votesLets see,, How many times has ezeal single handedly abused an item? At least once a season since he has been released right? Ezreal is the problem
Skorch3 votesHow would you suggest they fix this? Yeah ez abuses items. But typically finding a way to keep the item viable and not gutting ezreal isnt too hard.
Succubús GF5 votesThey can power shift his q into his w as well. Kinda even it out so his w isn't shit unless he is going ap. Also I think as far as his q, his on hit proccing can be a huge problem. See : Klepto currently.
The thing about caster adcs is that they are so hard to balance in a way that wont make the caster area too op and the ad carry area too underwhelming. Similarly to varus either their too strong or too weak and there is rarely that middle ground. I think a power shift can definitely help him. Maybe give him the "Yasuo treatment" With on hits . As in (X Champion can on hit more frequently but reduce the output) Or something along those lines
Troll for Trump1 votesHis kit, while fine to play against is outdated, and could use a mini-update. It has the unsynergistic scalings and mechanics of old, which make him feel weird. He just happened to be a very fair champ to play against, so he hasn't seen major changes for a long time.
But I think a lot of the older parts of his kit need to be renovated for him to stay up-to-date with the modern League.
Whenever Ezreal's not breaking an item and causing it to be nerfed for everyone else, he's generally really bad; he doesn't really do well with Crit or lethality like other ADCs. The closest ADC to him is Corki, and even he gets crit.
Skorch1 votesWhat do you consider outdated or something that should be changed in this mini-update?
You sould argue his mixed scalings. The fact his W is just an AS steroid, which the fact that if you are AP ez thats even more weird.
But none of that fixes ez's "problem" The fact that he has a spammable long range Q that applies on hit effects. This will always allow him to abuse items. However I never in 100 years see Riot changing his Q. Ever. It is such a unique niche on marksman, and is ez's entire identity. I NEVER see them changing that.
The solution? Do what Riot has done for most of league: make items with Ezreal in mind. An important thing to note is while Ez is the STRONGEST on-hit item abuser. He isnt the only one. He is a really easy identifier of how something can be abused.
Troll for Trump3 votesThe solution? Do what Riot has done for most of league: make items with Ezreal in mind. An important thing to note is while Ez is the STRONGEST on-hit item abuser. He isnt the only one. He is a really easy identifier of how something can be abused.
That, in a nutshell, was the exact problem with Vlad/Cass interactions with Will of the Ancients. What did Riot do with it? They removed Will and reworked both of them. So they should do with Ez.
Note that I said should. They likely won't.
Personally, I think Ez should pick either AP burst or ADC. Having the ability to do both puts him in a super weird spot. Unfortunatly, this axes off AP ez, but AP ez is basically the AP sion to ezreal, or the AP cho to current cho. It just doesn't work.
Redistribute power from his Q to his W/E/R, focus more on ADC aspects of DPS and less emphasis on burst. I can't get into specifics because I just don't have enough experience playing with Ez to do that.
Skorch1 votesHUGE difference between WotA and Ezreal. Is Spell-vamp was much MUCH less strong AND less easily accessible as every on-hit item in the game.
Troll for Trump1 votesI don't think (I think Riot agrees) that the existence of a single champ should force Riot to balance current and future items/game elements based on that champ.
With spell vamp and Vlad/Cass/Swain/Maybe FId, idk? Riot would have to constantly go back and check on these champs to see whether or not they could abuse any future spell vamp item. The reason spellvamp was so weak and constricted was BECAUSE of these champs, not the other way around.
DoktorKaiser7 votesThe reason why Ezreal has such a high winrate is because of his easy Klepto procs which give him EXTREME amount of gold in pots, wards and well just gold bags early game. Yesteday I had 6 fucking pots at lvl 1. That is fun, but is extremely broken. BUT please don't go there and say that Ezreal is broken by himself, he is still the same champ from a month ago that had to go to fucking jungle because he had 45% win rate - his damage is just pure shit compared to crit ADC and he will never outdamage them, even if he hits all skillshost the rightclickers will still do much more.
Cosnirak2 votesBUT please don't go there and say that Ezreal is broken by himself, he is still the same champ from a month ago that had to go to fucking jungle because he had 45% win rate - his damage is just pure shit compared to crit ADC and he will never outdamage them, even if he hits all skillshost the rightclickers will still do much more.
You mean a month ago when he was dumpstering everyone from the jg? Ezreal is the problem. He straight up does way too much damage early on. Yes he doesn't scale well, no argument there. But that doesn't make him any more ok to lane against.
The biggest buff to Ezreal lately might be people finally realizing they can just force the fights and kill you after a couple good pokes instead of farming, buying tear, playing for late game. He risks running OOM if vs him you give up a lot of cs to play safe and have a safe bot lane comp, but outside of that he often just kills you before he OOMs. Now people run poke supports along side him and the kill potential is real.
It's important to remember that balance isn't just a matter of win rate. It's about having a reasonably fun game. If making Ezreal reasonable to lane against dumpsters his win rate he needs mid or late game buffs, and that's fine. But lets not pretend laning vs him is ok when he doesn't take Klepto when it very much isn't.
Nevrankroaton5 votesHe didn't dumpser everyone on the jungle. He was a glorified Lee Sin at best, his early gank were lethal and that was it, especially by the fact he clean blue/wolf/red and gank at 2:40 instead of 3:00. If he went behind, he was beyond useless and he still needed a lot of gold to properly keep his snowball.
Did you ever fight a strong elise or lee sin? Same hell, it is call early game champion and it is call ganking champion.
Tortunga9 votesHis Q just needs to be changed. Even if it has been one of his core abilities for ever, every time Ezreal is broken is because of his Q and the interaction with items/runes. Just save the struggle of changing stuff in the future whenever Ezreal can abuse something again, and just change the Q already.
My Waifu Vanilla11 votesChange it to what? Constantly people call for change with ZERO input on what to change it to. We CAN remove the on-hit part of it, but then Ezreal drops to 30% WR for having one of the worst abilities in the game. Removing the interaction means Ezreal has to build crit which is hot garbage on a champ that doesn't scale well with AS nor do they have an auto attack steroid that is actually worthwhile. Giving the Q a crit scaling could work as a replacement but would it work like MF R or Xayah E? If it works like MF R then people complain they got RNG shot from off screen by an Ez with much more AD than live (he would buy both IE and ER) and if it worked like Xayah E it would do the same if not more damage than live on a consistent basis (ER instead of Trinity with a crit scaling would arguably do close to the same on a one item power spike since his Q has a large scaling and 75 >>>> 30 AD).
Terchio1 votesThe reason he breaks items so often is because he gets autoattacks at a safe range without any counterplay, even if you hop at him, as he'll just hop away as well. He never is in any danger, and can harass as long as he can work around enemy minions.
However, I'd say both his Q and E are iconic, maybe even whole kit at this point. W is a bit wonky, but I can't see parting with it.
I'd take it in one of two directions, myself:
Drop Q range substancially, maybe even about Cait AA range, but change W to extend his range if he hits a champion with it.
Keep as is, but make W instead place charge on his target that gives the cooldown reduction of his current Q.
Both of these would probably require some improved damage on his Q's, but at least it'd give opponents counterplay measures. I'd say the first is the least invasive in lategame gameplay, and therefore a better choice overall, but both will need some refining, for sure.
PokladnicaZla7 votesThey need to rework his W so it's actually an useful ability and not just something glued to his kit without any fluidity.
karolmo4 votesHe's barely a problem behind platinum and maybe gold because silver/bronze players can't play ezreal, so idk why riot should care about a op champ that's only op in 5-15% of the games.
Rexxiee39 votesHe's barely a problem beyond platinum and maybe gold because silver/bronze players can't play ezreal, so idk why riot should care about a op champ that's only op in 5-15% of the games.
55% win rate with 30% pick rate and rising tells me otherwise.
This is plat+ stats btw.
His pickrate will only lower because his ban rate will reach 90%+ if hes not nerfed.
Kloqdq30 votesBeing at 30% pick rate while 55% winrate is actually cancer though. If this was any other class I bet my life's savings it would be hotfixed.
Daedric Etwahl7 votesBeing at 30% pick rate while 55% winrate is actually cancer though. If this was any other class I bet my life's savings it would be hotfixed.
What deeply annoys me is that they hotfixed Sona for being out of line, but are just content to let Ezreal run rampant once again
Kloqdq8 votesSame thing happens all the time. Look at Twitch as another perfect example of this. Riot clearly plays favorites with ADCs very often. Ezreal is really hotfix worthy but is just not even being touched.
Penns3 votesany other class except enchanters
ftfy [sg-ezreal]
Nielarken1 votesBeing at 30% pick rate while 55% winrate is actually cancer though. If this was any other class I bet my life's savings it would be hotfixed.
reminder sivir q buff was hot fixed with less pick rate and winrate increase
Kloqdq1 votesYeah I remember that when I made this comment. My point for the most part still holds true since we've seen a lot of outliners linger in the ADC class. Sivir's Q buff was rightly hot fixed by Ezreal, Twitch, Caitlyn, Lucian, etc. always manage to dodge the nerf hammer for months because reasons. Than when we do hit them, we make them pretty much unviable for bot lane for months.
Nielarken1 votesYeah I remember that when I made this comment. My point for the most part still holds true since we've seen a lot of outliners linger in the ADC class. Sivir's Q buff was rightly hot fixed by Ezreal, Twitch, Caitlyn, Lucian, etc. always manage to dodge the nerf hammer for months because reasons. Than when we do hit them, we make them pretty much unviable for bot lane for months.
I seem to have worded it wrong, I agree with you and was using sivir as an example of riots favoritism. Sivir and any other trash tier adc get nerfed to the ground for less abuse then any of the adc you mentioned.
Kloqdq1 votesWhat's weird is there is a good reason Sivir is kept back and that's because of how powerful she actually was back in season 5-6. Now we got ADCs that are the same strength but just dodge the bullet because fuck it? Kind of just shitty all round.
Dessem2 votesIf this was Sejuani, then by this time Ezreal'd had nerfs to his Q, nerfs to his E, nerfs to his Passive (to show it's not a forgotten Passive) and nerfs to his Ultimate.
THEN Kleptomancy is nerfed.
AND THEN Manamune is nerfed, for good measure.
Just to be sure, Iceborn Gauntlet's also nerfed.
I Do Not Recall2 votesI wouldn't bet against you. Can imagine that kind of statistic on a juggernaut like Shyvana? They'd prob just disable the champion, or shut down the servers. Or dissolve the company.
