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I think this whole galio fiasco shows that this balance team needs to be changed

Rexxiee··159 votes·6,024 views

How in the world this wasant hotfixed yet? Singed and sivir got hotfixed for way less, galio is literally breaking games left and right, is it because hes a tank (riot favorite class) and a few of the balance team members wanted to get into gold before season ends?

This is the same balance team that keeps buffing tanks and supports every patch making the game shit for every other role in the game, this is the same balance team that has said that its fine for cho to build 6 defensive items and do upwards 1k true damage on a point and click ability because "hes kinda weak early though!", this is the same balance team that has left ardent in a broken state for atleast 3 months, only to "nerf it" and make it just as strong (lmao), this is the same balance team that still has not nerfed twitch after he has dominated soloq/been close to permaban the whole year. See i could keep going here this really isnt just a single "fk up", this has been going on and on and on and on (how long can this go on?)...

Oh right they need to check again tommorow to see if theres "anything wrong", because those silver players that dont even play their own game are that incompetent at their job to even release galio in this state in the first place.

How do those ppl even get paid for doing such a bad job? If i did such a bad job consistenly and showed no signs of improvement i would get fired and the company would just hire someone else that does it better, how come this apparently isnt a thing on riot? Do they not actually pay their balance team so thats why the quality of the game balance is so terrible? DO THEY EVEN HAVE A PLAYTESTING or QUALITY CONTROL TEAM?

/rantover

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#BRINGMORELLOBACK2k17

170 Comments

Bańg71 votes

HONESt to god can’t remember the last time melee bruisers were allowed to have fun

Every single meta for the past 2 seasons has been against them.

Don’t give me the lethality meta bullshit because adcs were abusing it even harder

The balance team has shown bias to the highest degree and they don’t even care that Its obvious

How did we just go from ardent cancer meta into Galio being this broken?

Why can’t we get a fucking break?

The same day ardent is nerfed another fucking stupid change is made?

Why?

Eedat20 votes

The Sterak's buffs feel really good but its not even close to enough. I feel llike you have to be a triforce user to really feel it. I'm hoping the ardent nerfs kill off the cancer supports like Janna and Lulu so I'm not completely nullified entirely by BS point and click hard CC. I dont even give a damn about ADCs. I'd much rather gut the bullshit heal/shield stacking of supports so the ADCs can actually die again.

Riot needs to undo the BC nerfs. All of them then make it half as effective for ranged. So sick of shit like Lucian MissFortune getting our itemization nerfed.

But hey lets make item 3076 to deal with ADCs lifestealing instead of nerfing lifesteal directly. Who cares how hard it fucks Darius Illaoi DrMundo Aatrox Olaf Trundle Volibear Warwick Udyr Nasus etc right? Cant just nerf the problem. Gotta make up some bullshit to take the melees out too

Azadethe3 votes

Tbh the Sterak's should be meta on Udyr and gives him back something he lost post Season 4; Tenacity Peel. Not only that, his base AD is high enough that Sterak's adds up to 74 AD, so the item should be meta every game. And it's not really about the Trinity. It's about the fact he needs cc resistance to effectively play the game these days. It makes Tiger semi tank viable and puts him at 224 AD with 1 item.

Zero Skill Tank8 votes

Riot needs to undo the BC nerfs. All of them then make it half as effective for ranged.

Sure, as long as Zed and Yasuo count as ranged champions, too.

Arakadia3 votes

Juggernaut update?

Bańg38 votes

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Juggernaut update?

Breaking Darius and garen And letting them torture the others for two weeks is an update?

Breaking skarner allowing him to camp top for free and do insane damage with insanely high mana regeneration is good for melee bruisers?

That update was a joke where they overbuffed three champs that they then nerfed down to shit

BoilTheOil4 votes

four*

Wolfeur15 votes

Just fyi, Skarner was broken because for once Riot listened to PBE balance feedback…

LordGeovanni1 votes

Skarner was broken? he got his r and ran the enemy into the middle of his team did he do ANYthing else

UnboundHades6 votes

He had close to 70% wr if im correct if not its 65%

Critmaster Garen5 votes

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HONESt to god can’t remember the last time melee bruisers were allowed to have fun

Every single meta for the past 2 seasons has been against them.

Don’t give me the lethality meta bullshit because adcs were abusing it even harder

The balance team has shown bias to the highest degree and they don’t even care that Its obvious

How did we just go from ardent cancer meta into Galio being this broken?

Why can’t we get a fucking break?

The same day ardent is nerfed another fucking stupid change is made?

Why?

well at least you can ban galio out. so that means minimal impact in comparison to ardent cancer.

DeusVult41 votes

Tanks are Riots favorite class??

Have you even seen an ADC??

Jinzo Torrance35 votes

But Galio Q can only deals 50% max health damage, they need more time to see if it's too much for an AoE ability with 6 seconds cooldown.

Blu 118 votes

only 50%? Ha https://gyazo.com/e49025cc892d40978470a10b04268789

SEKAI33 votes

[...]is it because hes a tank (riot favorite class)[...]

Hold fucking right there.

Tank is Riot's favourite class?

Is that why the tanks besides so few of them are almost unplayable?

Is that what you mean by playing favourite?

No.

Succubús GF7 votes

Sej and cho were game breaking for a while.......

SEKAI23 votes

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Sej and cho were game breaking for a while.......

That's 2. Even if you include Zac and Galio, that's 4. And yes, it's like you said, "WERE"; but for the sake of proving how ridiculous the stance is, I will go along with it and pretend that they are all broken. So 4 or so of them. Or if you have to, put J4 in there too. Make it 5.

Out of something like 20 legit tanks, where the vast majority of them are either barely viable in the meta or straight up unviable.

So it means 75% of the supposed Riot's favourite class is somehow, not favoured; and they haven't been so for quite some time. The amount of tank champs being actually favoured is a BIT low number for a class that's supposedly getting all the love and shit, don't you think? It makes no god damn sense. Maybe, just maybe, they aren't the most favoured class at all? What a concept am I right?

Have some god damn sense even as you hate, not hard.

Succubús GF3 votes

I don't hate tanks, I just think you are missing the point that there were many gamebreaking tanks throughout seasons

Terozu12 votes

That is literally MORE true for every other class.

Malicious Metal24 votes

This is why Riot doesn't visit the boards anymore. Bunch of childish whiners and people with awful manners, if any at all.

Singed and Sivir had 55%+ win rates, Galio isn't even breaking 50% He's on 48%

Doesn't mean he doesn't need changes but he isn't warping the game by himself, you're just yet another example why Riot's better off doing their thing rather than cater to this vocal minority circlejerk that is the boards.

LethalTempo Jhin10 votes

Ehm.

His midlane winrate rose by 7,5% from last day of 7.20 to today (45 to 52,5%). In 2 days. Pickrate rose nearly 3 times (11,5%). Banrate rose 14 times (up to 37%).

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Galio/Middle/

Sahn Uzal6 votes

Different sources different Data. That's still significantly lower than Singed/Sivir had though.

Tychusfindlay9182 votes

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Different sources different Data. That's still significantly lower than Singed/Sivir had though.

The data can still change as the patch goes on, this is literally a day or two after the patch. I still see some galios trying fruitlessly to go RoA tank instead of diving head on to the now busted full AP or even AP bruiser galio. He will need to be hotfixed for sure, mostly the damage to be honest.

Sahn Uzal4 votes

I'm not saying the character's not too strong. Not saying he doesn't need a nerf, not saying he doesn't need a hotfix. I will, however say I stand with MM's comment.

xJLx MCHammer23 votes

Lmao he said riots favorite class is Tank

Can’t take post like that seriously

AirKingNeo1 votes

Then why do they keep pushing tanks?

Maokai is broken so we buffed him. Cho'Gath unnerfed. Stoneplate created,. Zac, Galio, Sejuanni all broken. Bramble because fuck bruisers and more tank push. Locket has bonus HP ratio.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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Then why do they keep pushing tanks?

Maokai is broken so we buffed him. Cho'Gath unnerfed. Stoneplate created,. Zac, Galio, Sejuanni all broken. Bramble because fuck bruisers and more tank push. Locket has bonus HP ratio.

Galio is being pushed so he DOESN"T built tank Mao pre-rework was MUCH stronger. He used to give 20% reduction not just to himself but everyone in the radius Chogath was nerfed. The fact that you think he did not is weird. He was nerfed, then the item he abused was changed. Sej just got a huge nerf. She lost any pressure or dueling power early game

AS far as Bramble goes, it also got nerfed. Locket got changed and is expected to change in the next few patches as riot has also confirmed it

AirKingNeo1 votes

Maokai has still been top tier for almost 2 years straight. Cho'Gath still needs nerfs.

Bramble is still completely broken. Stoneplate is still broken.

Riot states uninteractive design is bad and you should be able to outplay your opponent, so why do they keep pushing tanks in our face with point blank perma CC and automatic win in base damage (and Bramble)?

Locket shouldn't have ever gotten a bonus HP ratio. Anyone with a brain can figure out tanks would just abuse it.

Iota Theta2 votes

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Maokai has still been top tier for almost 2 years straight. Cho'Gath still needs nerfs.

Bramble is still completely broken. Stoneplate is still broken.

Riot states uninteractive design is bad and you should be able to outplay your opponent, so why do they keep pushing tanks in our face with point blank perma CC and automatic win in base damage (and Bramble)?

Locket shouldn't have ever gotten a bonus HP ratio. Anyone with a brain can figure out tanks would just abuse it.

Yet Maokai hovers at 49% winrate for both jungle and top. His %hp damage got moved from his reliable W to the unreliable E, and he lost the teamwide damage reduction and explosion. His healing comes more often against casters, so aa champs are better against him, and GW messes him up as mch as your precious bruisers, because his healing is his only survivability mechanic. No shield, no damage reduction, only that healing passive. Buy an executioners if his healing is a problem to you.

The change in the health increase from Stoneplate reduces Cho’s ult strength. What are considered Cho’s balancing points are his unreliability and the fact he needs to burn Stoneplate, Ult, and either Righteous Glory or Flash..or both. Several high CDs for one target.

Point blank perma CC? Who perma CCs you? Btw, if tanks have bramble and you’re a splitpushing bruiser...you don’t have to necessarily auto them, Especially if you have better waveclear.

Locket was changed to give tank supports something extra since they built FotM, and then regular tank items. There were no actual items for tank supports back then. It’s doing exactly what it was intended to do, but it comes with no health in stats and lower resistances.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Who cares about winrate when his pickrate is super high for a tank (often unpopular since they are BORING) and pick ban LCS for over a year.

Cho'Gath is still broken. Just because you nerf it doesn't make it enough.

Every tank? Galio's W and E? Maokai's Q and W? Sejuanni's kit? Zac? Literally point blank CC spam negates all melees.

EXCEPT RIOT GAVE ALL TANKS A SHIT LOAD OF WAVECLEAR AND ENOUGH DAMAGE TO NEGATE SPLITPUSHING!

Doesn't matter! Locket shouldn't have been buffed; it needed a nerf.

Iota Theta2 votes

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Who cares about winrate when his pickrate is super high for a tank (often unpopular since they are BORING) and pick ban LCS for over a year.

LCS picks aren’t the same as solo queue picks. LCS revolves around incredibly coordinated teams, which is why Shen and Galio are stronger there than in solo queue, as are most tanks.

In gold+, Maokai bears a 5% pick rate, so in 5 out of 100 games you might see a Maokai. Want to know who has a higher pick rate? Riven, Yasuo, Gnar, Fiora, Darius, Jayce, Nasus, Cho, Jax, Singed, Renekton, and GP. Mostly fighters. Most are within 1% winrate of each other, with Shen being the exception of being at 46% winrate.

Cho'Gath is still broken. Just because you nerf it doesn't make it enough.

Cho is broken cause he’s still an old kit and they made him a tank-battlemage hybrid. Never necessarily said he wasn’t broken, just that he has high costs to do what he does in unreliability in either delays or needing to be in melee without a built-in gapcloser, as well as having to use 2-4 things with high CDs.

Every tank? Galio's W and E? Maokai's Q and W? Sejuanni's kit? Zac? Literally point blank CC spam negates all melees.

They aren’t actually perma CC like you claimed though. Most have gaps between rotations, heck, the hard CC in Sejuani’s kit is just a short Q stun, her E, and her ult, and outside her ult she can only E stun once every 8ish seconds.

The reason point blank hurts melees is...dun dun dunnnn...point blank = melee range. If you are in range to hurt a tank or his team, you’re in range to be CC’d. But most fighters have defensive abilities or mobility to help them. But then again, tanks are stronger in teamfights than a chunk of fighters, whereas fighters tend to be pushed into the splitpushing role because they are stronger duelists.

EXCEPT RIOT GAVE ALL TANKS A SHIT LOAD OF WAVECLEAR AND ENOUGH DAMAGE TO NEGATE SPLITPUSHING!

Tanks are mana hungry, that hasn’t changed. A tank mainly waveclears by using abilities, which soak up mana, whereas most fighters can use aa’s because they actually build damage. Ever watch Maokai try to stop a Trundle from splitpushing in the LCS? Even with Bramble vest the Maokai could not really stop Trundle and Trundle eventually just started ignoring him. And wailed on the tower because Maokai just couldn’t stop him.

Doesn't matter! Locket shouldn't have been buffed; it needed a nerf

It was shifted. It was mainly built for the MR aura that it gave to allies. Now it’s resistances only benefit the buyer, but they tuned it to be for tank supports, because, like I said, tank supports had to actually buy into the main tank items, which was difficult on a support’s budget. Riot pushed it in that direction so it would mainly be tanks that bought it, and made it worth buyig without the aura. Did they overbuff it? Sure, but they did ended up nerfing it as well.

Ahris18 votes

They act so smart about game balance but it shows that even gold players understand what is strong and what is not more than them.

When you try to talk to them about the game, they use the SAME argument people who do not understand the game AT ALL use. To those kind of people, you cannot argue with them. I tried to discuss with them, but in the end they ignore. What is the point of having player communication if their reasoning is already full of loopholes and resort to their poweful tool of ignoring if

Riot's way of thinking is becoming EXTREMELY boring. They rework champ into one dimensional champ that removes the uniqueness of playing them. Making it one direction just makes the champ who has the better one dimensional champ to take over(when meta finally becomes favorable to them). Then that champ is nerfed. Then the cycle continues.

They scream counterplay but allows ADC to have no counterplay to their autos and makes the players who are playing the champ either feel stupid of playing it or be extremely broken and have it nerfed sooner or later because every other champ has been nerfed.

Even the stats nerf/buff to change the meta is a very amateur way to balance. The balance team has been pretty trash and ruined League of Legends. They did a ton of unneeded reworks that made champs stupid to play/touch.

NineTailedMystic8 votes

They rework champ into one dimensional champ that removes the uniqueness of playing them.

Warwick? Taric? Galio? Gangplank? Urgot?

Ayame Isaki3 votes

I also really liked the Fiora and Poppy reworks, but I think I'm in the minority there. I did not like playing either of these champs before their reworks and like them now, so I call that a success!

LiteUpSketchers4 votes

I'm a personal fan of Urgots rework. His kit is very fun to play.

Nhifu3 votes

very very hard to lane into urgot

Lintu Puck17 votes

can you share more of that salt? I need it for my popcorn. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Bańg27 votes

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Lintu Puck13 votes

And I am proud to not play rank. That is unneeded stress in my life. I'd rather just play and try to enjoy myself. Also, the game will never be completely "balanced". We might as well make do.

Bańg17 votes

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And I am proud to not play rank. That is unneeded stress in my life. I'd rather just play and try to enjoy myself. Also, the game will never be completely "balanced". We might as well make do.

ok if you're playing for fun and dont play ranked why are u calling us salty when we play to win and climb competitively?

10Tickler10 votes

hes a tank (riot favorite class)

(riot favorite class)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Kythers7 votes

Hire me Riot, 100k a year I'll fix your mess

you can fire your entire balance team, I got this no problem

@RiotGames

Elkington VI7 votes

Tanks are most certainly not Riot's favorite class or they would all be treated equally well. Riot tends to show favoritism toward flashy play-makers and popular picks, regardless of their role.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Then why does Riot push tanks top constantly?

Stoneplate? Bramble Vest? Maokai broken tier so buff his passive?

Elkington VI2 votes

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Then why does Riot push tanks top constantly?

Stoneplate? Bramble Vest? Maokai broken tier so buff his passive?

They don't actively try to push tanks top. Tanks are just what end up top when bruisers are weak, generally due to indirect nerfs to itemization and defensive scaling. There is also a wealth of CC, mobility, and shields in the game now, making it difficult for picks with low utility to stay relevant past early game.

Most adcs reach critical mass by 2-3 items now, as games are much faster. As a result, tanks (and eventually ranged utility APs) are going to continue to rule top lane unless either games slow down, anti-cc options improve, or defensive scaling through itemization/masteries greatly improves.

In short, tank tops are merely a symptom of a lot of changes that have occured over the seasons, generally in favor of adcs.

Maokai is just too strong and reliable period. Don't use him as the standard for the tank class in general, as he is leagues ahead of most of them.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Almost like they made an item specific to make tanks beat bruisers in lane and also buffed tanks.

Elkington VI2 votes

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Almost like they made an item specific to make tanks beat bruisers in lane and also buffed tanks.

I have zero issues beating tanks as Trundle. The problem starts after the laning phase, with all the CC/kiting/shields in the game, as well as defenses doing nothing to keep me alive.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Trundle is an anti tank.

You're unranked, aka some low level of play. Meanwhile, in Diamond+, tank just rush Bramble and then beat you in teamfights.

Elkington VI2 votes

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Trundle is an anti tank.

You're unranked, aka some low level of play. Meanwhile, in Diamond+, tank just rush Bramble and then beat you in teamfights.

Ah, so you're one of those types doesn't listen to anyone unless they have a shiny border, tragic.

ModCaptainMårvelous4 votes

https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler/status/923670904000864256

Hotfixed later today.

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