Riot actually thinks akali laning pattern "isnt strong enough" to deal with most laners

Rexxiee·Jan 31, 2018·150 votes·5,799 views

And they'll try to "make it stronger so she can deal ppl better in lane"

LMAO.

Holy shit, we are truly fucked with this balance team.

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Akali is SO HOTJan 31, 201879 votes

They're probably talking mostly about her intended lane (mid). There are still quite a few champions top lane that absolutely dumpster her tho. Keep in mind that they are changing her so they aren't doing, "lul buff her current kit so she's impossible to lane against"

Late For TeaJan 31, 201828 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8kGu09sU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-31T21:28:06.157+0000) they aren't doing, "lul buff her current kit so she's impossible to lane against"

To be fair, it is CertainlyT doing the rework. This is exactly what they'll be doing.

Akali is SO HOTJan 31, 201844 votes

If CertainlyT uses Warwick as a template we should be fine (hopefully)

LimrickFeb 1, 20185 votes

Warwick is pretty damn overloaded, don't get the Boards hard-on for him. Oh wait, he's melee.

Akali is SO HOTFeb 1, 201835 votes

No not really. Warwick's kit is perfectly fine. At the moment he's numbers are a little high, but his kit is completely fine as is.

LimrickFeb 1, 20187 votes

He has literally everything a Diver and a Jungler could want. Sustain, solid clears with Tiamat, super good ganks, good dueling, free attack speed helps with objectives a ton, he has free resists at the press of a button, AoE CC, CC immunity, displacement immunity, can follow escape abilities, has solid DPS while building mostly tank, and a long range engage tool. I literally can't think of anything else a Diver could ask for, except something dumb like a cleanse.

Most of his shit is PvE, but don't pretend he isn't overloaded.

LimrickFeb 1, 20183 votes

Funny that my comment gets downvoted, then when I prove it right people pretend it isn't there.

He's overloaded, prove me wrong instead of brainlessly downvoting because "muh melee fighter can do no wrong"

Akali is SO HOTFeb 1, 201817 votes

You can make any champion in the game sound overloaded by listing off what their abilities do and their strengths. I could probably write an essay on why Karthus is the most overloaded champion of all time if I wanted to.

DauntFeb 1, 20182 votes

While you can do that, it doesn't make it less right that WW is overloaded. When a champion has the best dueling power in the game for the entire early and mid game while having so many steroids, sustain, cc, stickiness, good map pressure and better damage reduction than tanks have i think the said champion qualifies as overloaded.

Also note that overloaded doesn't mean OP.

Lios AshenbladeFeb 1, 20187 votes

I like that his ult isn't point and click anymore, its fairly easy to avoid

revliledpembrokeFeb 1, 201820 votes

solid clears with Tiamat,

Doesn't everyone have solid clears with Tiamat? Isn't that the point of the item?

can follow escape abilities

So can everyone else. It's called summoner 4 .

long range engage tool

Yeah, but he also physically throws himself at his target, which can really screw him over. Unlike, say, Blitzcrank , who has his long range engage tool pull you away from your team, instead of WW jumping into your team.

DauntFeb 1, 201810 votes

So can everyone else. It's called .

How can you even classify flash there if everyone has one. That means that he has another way of doing it.

And it's not like it matters if he throws himself into a fight since he's a diver. Also the diver with better damage reduction that any tank has, attached with a hard aoe cc.

Lios AshenbladeFeb 1, 20188 votes

I mean, a lot of people have a built in flash in their kit, zed, kass, ez, talon to an extent, lee leaping to a ward then tossing a q... Ultimately WW has an easily dodged ultimate, other than that he is basically a life steal tank, which we have ways of dealing with

An Enemy SutandoFeb 1, 201811 votes

You did the thing where listing the kit of a champion makes them sound OP.

"Dr. Mundo is absurdly strong. He has free sustain, a spammable %health damage slow, a free sunfire cape that also gives him slow resist for some reason, taking damage or paying a health cost gives him stacking %MR so that any non-ADC doesn't even have any hope of killing him, an auto reset which increases his AD based on his missing health, and pseudo-invulnerability at the touch of a button."

Even one of the weakest champions in the game can be made to sound broken as hell simply by listing what's in their kit and sprinkling in some sensationalist words.

TheorexFeb 1, 20181 votes

Except for when he, ya know. Chases you down from across the map. Faster than the speed of light. Or when he chases you down because someone else on the map is low after than the speed of light. Then Also following you through the flash as well :)

% damage reduction. That in itself is a cancer to the game. There aren't many champions with it in their kits. But the few I can think of are cancer to try to kill because of it.

But yes, WW is a fine champion.

Champions like Trundle aren't fine. Champions like Olaf, Zilean, Malphite, and Viktor aren't fine. Those champions aren't overloaded and make duo with their kits.

AwesomeGuyDjFeb 1, 20181 votes

Have you heard of the tale of item 3123 item 3076 item 3165 the counter? (im counting morello cause his passive picks up alot when low) Its not a tale the boards will tell you. They had so much power, they could bend the life force to keep people dying. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

Also theres CC (Doesnt work when he's mid ult i'll give you that) You could wait until he's q'd you to to flash.

FeministSionFeb 1, 20188 votes

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Have you heard of the tale of the counter? (im counting morello cause his passive picks up alot when low) Its not a tale the boards will tell you. They had so much power, they could bend the life force to keep people dying. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

Also theres CC (Doesnt work when he's mid ult i'll give you that) You could wait until he's q'd you to to flash.

have you heard of the legends of Akali and the item 3146 legends say that once she gets this item its pretty much "gg ff 20"

Akali is SO HOTFeb 1, 20187 votes

No idea what you're talkin about tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROGItVn9_ys

MuffledGarbageFeb 1, 20189 votes

You know who else is overloaded? Sion

You know who is the most widely-regarded as balanced tank? Sion

I rest my case.

LimrickFeb 1, 20181 votes

I didn't say overpowered or unbalanced. I said overloaded.

MuffledGarbageFeb 1, 20185 votes

I also didn't say overpowered or unbalanced.

I also said overloaded...

LimrickFeb 1, 20181 votes

Then we're on the same page, so go away or contribute something useful.

MuffledGarbageFeb 1, 20189 votes

You clearly state in other comments how you think Warwick is overpowered and how he outperforms his peer divers...

Sion ruins almost all of your arguments by existing...

"Tiamat makes WW overpowered cause it makes his clears better/faster"

Sion does this better and uses less health/mana to boot without even NEEDING Tiamat.

"Warwick's only weaknesses are that of other divers"

Warwick has a lack of DPS that's easy to deal with using 3 Duelists, most skirmishers, half of the tanks in the game, any support that can peel relatively okay(hitting one Janna Q per year counts), most ADCs just off the top of my head.

like m8...

Calm your Anus and stop being Heinous...

Blackstone01Feb 1, 20184 votes

To be fair, it’s not so much T designed WW super well, as much as he was leashed on just how much he could toss on. It should be good if he’s got enough oversight to make sure she isn’t overloaded or is given a broken mechanic to go ADC, however, if he’s given entirely free reign I shudder at the thought of it.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 31, 201819 votes

Isn't it true that pre-6, she's worthless in almost every matchup?

I feel pretty confident that's the laning pattern they're talking about. It's not really an interactive lane when the entire thing is decided by whether or not you can bully her so hard pre-6 that even with her massive powerspike, she can't come back.

RexxieeJan 31, 201815 votes

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Isn't it true that pre-6, she's worthless in almost every matchup?

I feel pretty confident that's the laning pattern they're talking about. It's not really an interactive lane when the entire thing is decided by whether or not you can bully her so hard pre-6 that even with her massive powerspike, she can't come back.

Akali zones melees off pre 6.

Her shroud is one of the most broken spells in the game vs a melee in lane.

Akali is SO HOTJan 31, 201813 votes

It really depends on who's playing her and who she's playing against. For example, if a random person picks Akali for the first time because they think she's op, they will no doubt get shat on by Malz, Fizz, Talon, TF, etc. If an Akali main is playing her, then most of those lanes are pretty doable and some of those are even free wins. In general, her pre 6 is not that great and she is very susceptible to getting pushed out of lane. It's not as bad as it was pre Assassin Update, but it's still not that great. People are convinced that she is some kind of God pre 6 which I don't understand why, but whatever.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 31, 20186 votes

Good to hear, because that was basically my impression.

That doesn't sound very healthy to me. Both free wins and easily pushed out by most people are bad situations. Good, healthy laning patterns should have more middle ground, imo.

AirKingNeoFeb 1, 201811 votes

The champions who beat Akali top lane beat literally every top laner though.

warpenguin555Jan 31, 201829 votes

They probably don't even know she goes top

CarnicoreFeb 1, 201822 votes

Current Akali works by facetanking all the poke from her enemies and healing with her passive, barely trading before level 6, at which point she violently murders them. It's not good design no matter how you look at it.

AetherArisingJan 31, 201819 votes

It's a CertainlyT rework, prepare your anus for another permaban champ

Daddy AntsFeb 1, 20182 votes

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It's a CertainlyT rework, prepare your anus for another permaban champ

Sad but true.

WinterkillJan 31, 20185 votes

They are out of touch with their games. Do they honestly thing her shroud is the most amazing thing about Akali?

Akali is SO HOTJan 31, 201835 votes

Her shroud is one of the most unique abilities in the game.

WinterkillJan 31, 20184 votes

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Her shroud is one of the most unique abilities in the game.

Right.

Akali is SO HOTJan 31, 201816 votes

Correct

Tails9016Feb 1, 201812 votes

True

paisyFeb 1, 20188 votes

Precisely

I Am RaviFeb 1, 20187 votes

Affirmative

HalcyonDwellerFeb 1, 20183 votes

Aye

GriffinompFeb 1, 20184 votes

Indeed

AetherArisingFeb 2, 20182 votes

A W I S E C H O I C E

Totally Not JinxJan 31, 20187 votes

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WinterkillFeb 1, 20186 votes

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