Reverting LB was a huge mistake

Rexxiee·Oct 29, 2018·142 votes·20,829 views

Champ has been overpowered since the revert and laning against her is not possible anymore if the lb player isnt drooling on the keyboard.

Give her another rework.

90 Comments

Lil Homie bustaOct 30, 201854 votes

Its not the type of OPness easy to see. It goes beyond winrate; she suffers from the same problem that Irelia suffers: too much tools and helping hands in her kit.

Chain tether distance, low CD high mobility spells, range etc. If she has range as an assassin, at least her cooldowns should be higher.

Hayaishi2Oct 30, 201822 votes

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Its not the type of OPness easy to see. It goes beyond winrate; she suffers from the same problem that Irelia suffers: too much tools and helping hands in her kit.

Chain tether distance, low CD high mobility spells, range etc. If she has range as an assassin, at least her cooldowns should be higher.

This is the worse type of OPness. Numbers can be tweaked to affect winrate and such.

But no matter what you do LB is going to be Overpowered as fuck, unless you just make her completely useless (which btw isn't a bad idea) but LB completely warps the game around her, your jungler can't usually gank her, she bullies your mid laner into oblivion, it's capable of kiting most melee champions played top and deletes everyone that goes bot lane.

This champion should be flat out removed until they can come up with a suitable rework. Keyword SHOULD because we know Riot isn't known for doing what is necessary.

Btw i also love how Faker complains about her not being fun anymore so Riot reverts her, they'd never do that to any champion.

charge attackOct 30, 20184 votes

Or maybe LB mains brigading boards constantly asking for a revert. Lmao. People here literally have short term memory loss.

VerxintOct 30, 201812 votes

Her rework was fine. All they had to do was make the passive arm time reduce with level down to 0.75 or 0.5 seconds. But LeBlanc players couldn't handle a kit that gave opponents a feasible option to react

FlameHalbrdOkidoOct 30, 20182 votes

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Her rework was fine. All they had to do was make the passive arm time reduce with level down to 0.75 or 0.5 seconds. But LeBlanc players couldn't handle a kit that gave opponents a feasible option to react

Lol agreed in a sense. Once players get their hands on an busted champ they can't believe it when it gets balanced for opponents the way it always should have been (looking at you Kat mains (and also makes me wonder if Yas will get what he deserves)). But I also think that the passive could have been done better to spec into her deceitful nature better, and give LB players something to do other than wait.

You can read my passive update concept for her but basically, her abilities lay a sigil down on the ground that charges over time and is invisible until redi

PoskeOct 30, 20183 votes

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Or maybe LB mains brigading boards constantly asking for a revert. Lmao. People here literally have short term memory loss.

And now there are lb mains asking for revert of revert. I would sign that any day

And when you ahve someone high elo with 3000 LB games since season1 sign something it should have some merit

Lil Lewd WitchOct 30, 20184 votes

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OwO

GankLordOct 30, 20188 votes

Can we also through Akali in there? She has so many get out options that the shroud is overkill.

saltranOct 29, 201828 votes

I mean, her reworked version was problematic aswell.

Anyway I dunno why they came back to the one they reverted in the first place.

invisiblecat1Oct 30, 201810 votes

Riot basically decided that if she's going to be cancer to play against anyways, then she might as well have a fun kit, that way at least one person is happy

DuskDaUmbreonOct 30, 20185 votes

Iirc that's almost exactly what they said.

Reworked LB was almost as problematic (mostly in different ways than reverted), but felt like shit at the same time, so they reverted because they had no idea how else to rework her.

NaalithOct 30, 201827 votes

Yeah, LeBlanc's rework was widely regarded as a bullshit champion when it was around but I think people sort of forgot how bullshit the old (current) LeBlanc is and why she needed to be reworked in the first place. The reworked version was at least more fun to play as because the outplays and mind games you could play with R>R were incredible. Your teammate is getting chased across the map? Fake them out with one of those. I also think her abilities flowed better and you were rewarded for slightly more thought out play and picking your R spell for the situation at hand.

The LeBlanc in the game now is literally just faceroll and it's a lot less fun to play as, and playing against is even less fun. I think LeBlanc needs to be full VGU'd because honestly the champion is not fun from a gameplay standpoint and her in-game self doesn't correlate to her lore at all. I want a LeBlanc who is legitimately a trickster and, while she still has one shot potential, is a lot less safe if the trick doesn't work out and can't just start facerolling level 2. It just isn't fun.

ankoanko19Oct 30, 20183 votes

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Yeah, LeBlanc's rework was widely regarded as a bullshit champion when it was around but I think people sort of forgot how bullshit the old (current) LeBlanc is and why she needed to be reworked in the first place. The reworked version was at least more fun to play as because the outplays and mind games you could play with R>R were incredible. Your teammate is getting chased across the map? Fake them out with one of those. I also think her abilities flowed better and you were rewarded for slightly more thought out play and picking your R spell for the situation at hand.

The LeBlanc in the game now is literally just faceroll and it's a lot less fun to play as, and playing against is even less fun. I think LeBlanc needs to be full VGU'd because honestly the champion is not fun from a gameplay standpoint and her in-game self doesn't correlate to her lore at all. I want a LeBlanc who is legitimately a trickster and, while she still has one shot potential, is a lot less safe if the trick doesn't work out and can't just start facerolling level 2. It just isn't fun.

" less fun to play " subjective. LB has a higher pr now than pre revert.

KhristophorosOct 30, 201812 votes

If the enemy team has a decent LB you simply automatically lose mid lane and you just have to deal with it

ThelesisOct 30, 201811 votes

Imagine being this wrong.

Her rework was an attempt to make her less single-target and more balanced in terms of farming (with spreading marks and whatnot). The problem is that single target burst is a gameplay style and that's what some assassin players want.

How do you play around her? Same as with any assassin. CC and grouping. If you don't have CC, it's hard to stop her from at least killing one target. If you get caught alone, she should kill you. That's what assassins do. It's also hard for her to burst down beefy champs so if LB is only picking off soft targets, she's doing her job.

She has her strengths and weaknesses. I'm not saying she's perfect. I'm saying her rework was awful and I'd rather them revert than leave it until they come up with something better a year or two later, if then.

Madsin25Oct 30, 201846 votes

Her rework was an attempt to give her delayed burst.

She was reverted because she was doing poorly and I guess riot had no solutions but to give in to bitching leblanc mains.

JeaneGreeneOct 30, 20189 votes

Her rework was reverted because it was overpowered. After a point Leblanc mains just did their “No counterplay burst not clickbait” to people with Q-RQ-Gunblade-Double Lichbane (all point and click with no dash in). She was just so good at too many things. The rework was scary and I do not want to go back there.

Automated RivenOct 30, 20187 votes

Look, I get everyone hates the reverted leblanc. But the reason she was reverted is because the new one was so unbelievably broken that they had to half her damage to try to balance her. And she was still fucking broken.

She was literally the jack of all trades master of everything before the revert.

Now at least she has defining strengths and weaknesses.

ankoanko19Oct 30, 20183 votes

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Look, I get everyone hates the reverted leblanc. But the reason she was reverted is because the new one was so unbelievably broken that they had to half her damage to try to balance her. And she was still fucking broken.

She was literally the jack of all trades master of everything before the revert.

Now at least she has defining strengths and weaknesses.

I literally wrote this but boards downvoted me. The boards are so fucking biased towards mages and enchanters its not even fun.

BANG BANG 5HUNNAOct 29, 20189 votes

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Camille FerrøsOct 29, 201827 votes

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Ur just bad we get it

genius

Moody POct 30, 20186 votes

Based and upvoted

ankoanko19Oct 30, 20182 votes

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Based and upvoted

How is this based? The majority of boards dislike LB.

haaaaaaalpOct 30, 20185 votes

The rework wasn’t much good either. It focused far too much on micro counters and not macro counter. Leblanc bursting a champion is fine. Leblanc being able to clear waves on top of that is not fine. If she is going to be a ranged mobile assassin, it needs to be easier to push her into her tower. The rework completely dropped the ball on that point which is why it needed to be reverted.

TacosrockOct 30, 20185 votes

I am so happy that people are finally recognizing this. I have been saying this since she got reverted and have just been seen as ridiculous or stupid. Reworked Leblanc was a travesty for sure, but she was a much more balanced travesty than the cancer we have now.

SangreDeNocheOct 30, 20184 votes

How could anyone foresee this would happen? /s

PopcornBunniOct 30, 20184 votes

I'd honestly much rather have a nerfed to the ground version of this Leblanc than a strong version of the W Q automatic wave clear machine she was prior.

At least this one has to decide between waveclear and damage trades.

ŚhunpoOct 30, 20184 votes

She's been overpowered since her release lmao.

UnvictusOct 30, 20184 votes

This is the exact reason I don’t want Katarina reverted. I can’t imagine why anyone who mains Kat would want to go back to her binary brainless kit. All that will do is cause the community to cry. She’s the most balanced she’s ever been, maybe even a little weak. But anyone who took the time to learn Kat can still perform well on her.

I knew as soon as they announced the revert for LeBlanc that this was going to happen. That champ has never been fun to play against, in any iteration. Her rework did have its problems, but at least it gave her enemies some time to fight back and she couldn’t just blink back immediately.

5050BSOct 30, 20184 votes

Most of what Riot does today are mistakes.

Beacon AcademyOct 30, 20183 votes

I think the new one was worse tbh

This one just needs number adjustments on tether, cd, spell range, etc

Zeppelins circusOct 30, 20182 votes

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I think the new one was worse tbh

This one just needs number adjustments on tether, cd, etc

Yeah the thing with the reworked leblanc is that she can W you and the wave, Q a minion and the Q will go to you dealing a A and W combo with more reliability than now, with added waveclear. It was bullocks.

KFCeytronOct 30, 20183 votes

19 seconds after new rework "OH MY HECKIN' GOSH ANOTHER REWORK WHY DOES LB GET SO MUCH ATTENTION WHAT IS SHE RYZE OR SOMETHING"

AlzonOct 30, 20183 votes

The absolute biggest issue with LeBlanc is the instant W recast. It invalidates almost all forms of peel, which is meant to be an assassin’s counter. Good luck trying to stop her with a Malphite ult or Alistar combo. Your hard CC has to be almost instant in order to even have a chance of stopping her. Lulu, Fiddlesticks, Soraka, Annie, Lissandra, Malzahar. If you’re not playing one of these champions, the only way to keep a LeBlanc from deleting your carry and getting away is through buying Knight’s Vow and Locket. Even that’s not guaranteed.

Meanwhile, look at Zed or Talon or even Fizz and Akali. These champions can actually be peeled off by most hard CC abilities because they don’t have instant, on-demand, long-range blinks. Zed actually has the solution in his kit, to make him less forgiving: the lockout on his ult recast. Give LeBlanc a short lockout on her W recast to remove most of the ridiculous forgiveness in her kit. She could then receive a little bit of forgiveness back in the form of base stats, like increased Armor/lv or HP/lv.

BrightWîngsNov 1, 20183 votes

Riot: We reworked Leblanc and Rengar because they had little counter play.

Everyone: Ok nice thank you Riot.

Riot: We reverted Leblanc and Rengar .

Everyone: Why?

Riot: eh I dunno.

FlameHalbrdOkidoNov 2, 20181 votes

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Riot: We reworked and because they had little counter play.

Everyone: Ok nice thank you Riot.

Riot: We reverted and .

Everyone: Why?

Riot: eh I dunno.

it was more like the reworks weren't the best and if they didn't create new issues they didn't completely resolve the old ones. Not to mention both champs mains absolutely losing their minds and nonstop begging for reverts.

ShablagooOct 30, 20182 votes

Lower the chain length and she is fixed, she doesnt need a root.

LacerationOct 30, 20182 votes

I wish they would do something about her passive, it's either cancerous to deal with or useless depending on how much aoe you have/cc. I feel like her passive should just give her interesting bonuses to her spells rather than the invis. What if every 30sec her next spell gains 50-75 range? Or perhaps she could gain bonus movespeed everytime she procs her Q/RQ which would help her escape after escape assassinations.

PandaPoOct 30, 20182 votes

What? She has her W. I don't think she needs a longer range on her abilities every 30 seconds. That's garbage for 30 second CD, She's an assassin, not a Mage. She needs new passive though.

SukishooOct 30, 20182 votes

Pretty sure they already acknowledged she would have some issues being reverted when they posted their Ask Riot about her. But shes not a high priority target for them right now so she wont see much on the side of major work for awhile.

EDAGASEOct 30, 20182 votes

Tbh I think she just needs a full gameplay rework.

InTheoryOct 30, 20182 votes

So we all finally do agree that assassins are the most hated class in league of legends?

PaletongueOct 30, 20182 votes

I agree with everything in your post, yet I fully disagree with the title.

That rework was causing more issues than it solved, and the revert was the right choice.

We can def use a new rework now though.

EleshakaiOct 31, 20182 votes

Ya, I thought the revert was a weird decision. The new Leblanc may not have been as fun for leblanc mains, but... maybe what leblanc mains WANTED was unhealthy. Like... if an alcoholic checks into a detox centre, sure the easy way to ease their pain is to just give them alcohol, but that's not the right thing to do.

FlameHalbrdOkidoOct 30, 20181 votes

if anyone could explain why the updated LB was bad i'd appreciate it, i though the issues were, bad passive, and waveclear, i thought everything else was ok and actually did a bette job representing her theme

oh and theres probably the issue of her W not having a Cast time, but perhaps that can be balanced with something else? Like reducing its range or increasing its CD.

PoskeOct 30, 20181 votes

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if anyone could explain why the updated LB was bad i'd appreciate it, i though the issues were, bad passive, and waveclear, i thought everything else was ok and actually did a bette job representing her theme

Because siv hd and faker liked old lb more (to bad both sucked at every lb iteration there was yes faker sucked yes he did so overhyped) Because she was classified as burst mage (she was assassin but the reverters used it at as a weapon "she no longer an assassin") Because some people couldnt stand gunblade build (IT GIVES HER AD OH NO) which was trash build for her anyway The W nerf was quite annoying. some people couldnt stand 18 sec W cooldown Because she was "delayed" only in retards hands that is. So riot reverted her and made her more delayed with backloaded damage on R(Q) AND E Some people couldnt press 2 buttoms for her ultimate and had no idea what they were doing. I mean none had any idea how to play her but some pepole were extra special.

Pretty much all reasons. Sincenerly someone who actually peeked as #1 lb world

oh and theres probably the issue of her W not having a Cast time, but perhaps that can be balanced with something else? Like reducing its range or increasing its CD.

It should have reduced speed so that it can be dodged but Riot wants it to be "ZAPPY" so it has 2000 speed (I would prefer it at 1500, felt it at 1700 and wanted it even lower, thinking what a healthy nerf back in 2015 or some shit)

FlameHalbrdOkidoOct 31, 20181 votes

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Because she was classified as burst mage (she was assassin but the reverters used it at as a weapon "she no longer an assassin")

Yes she is a burst mage, one with MUCH more assassination potential than any other burst mage. The fact of the matter is that LB's way more mobile than other burst mage. No other burst mage has mobility on a non-ultimate ability except for Lissandra. Need I mention that Lissandra's E has a very slow speed and has a base CD of 24 sec? This STRONGLY differentiates the way LB plays from other burst mages, being able to jump into fights burst a target and jump back out...isn't that wat assassins do?

IK we all know this but reverters using classification to say a champ isn't a type of champ...when they still can do what a specific type of champion can do is being purposely ignorant. Thats like saying Varus is or isn't an artillery/marksman...they are both a champ can be more than one class. And whats the point of doing that anyways. Did they WANT her to still be an assassin...cause they updated her during the assassin update...what is that supposed to mean?

Because some people couldnt stand gunblade build (IT GIVES HER AD OH NO) which was trash build for her anyway thats peoples problem not Riot's

The W nerf was quite annoying. some people couldnt stand 18 sec W cooldown People get so unreasonable attached and selfish when an unbalanced champ is balanced so other people can enjoy the game, people like these SUCK and are holding the balance of the game hostage. I like Azir, but i can understand that in some instances he might have been toxic. But these assassin/skirmisher players? The sec Riot reasonably nerfs their champ they lose it and act like its impossible to play the champ. Most assassins with a dash radius above 600 units have a CD longer than 14 sec...but thats only one dash not 2 can be used with no targeting restrictions. Giving her an 18 sec CD is just more fair...think about what opponents have to deal with.

and its tough for Riot b/c sometimes when a a change doesn't go well sometimes they can't invest more time in it, i wish they could at least say they plan to come back at some point for these cases

Because she was "delayed" only in retards hands that is. So riot reverted her and made her more delayed with backloaded damage on R(Q) AND E assassins with the update were supposed to be delayed, the old(reverted and current) LB are not delay, and the way they added a delay on the update version was done poorly. they needed to giver her something to do during they delay or give her something that specs into her theme (deceit) like how they did for Kat, she has a delay but her theme has been expanded upon with it. I have a concept for it if ur interested.

Some people couldnt press 2 buttoms for her ultimate and had no idea what they were doing. I mean none had any idea how to play her but some pepole were extra special. well...thats kinda supposed to BE a thing. Assassins are SUPPOSED to take a certain lvl of skill higher than normal to balance their dmg and mobility, PLUS it feeds into her decieve nature. Thats peoples problem not Riots. Took me a bit to figure her out 2 but enough guide vids and u get the gist of her. Her Q didn't need to change tho that added change made her more confusing than necessary.

Pretty much all reasons. Sincenerly someone who actually peeked as #1 lb world

really, pretty cool to be talking to someone that good on LB, shoot get #1 again and then get Riot to make her balance pls

It should have reduced speed so that it can be dodged but Riot wants it to be "ZAPPY" so it has 2000 speed (I would prefer it at 1500, felt it at 1700 and wanted it even lower, thinking what a healthy nerf back in 2015 or some shit)

agreed, but, hey im all about give and take, reduce the range/damage or have a lock out period in which it can't be recast and them maybe she can keep the MS or short CD. But something has to give

PoskeOct 31, 20181 votes

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Yes she is a burst mage, one with MUCH more assassination potential than any other burst mage. The fact of the matter is that LB's way more mobile than other burst mage. No other burst mage has mobility on a non-ultimate ability except for Lissandra. Need I mention that Lissandra's E has a very slow speed and has a base CD of 24 sec? This STRONGLY differentiates the way LB plays from other burst mages, being able to jump into fights burst a target and jump back out...isn't that wat assassins do?

You answered your own question SHE IS FKING ASSASSIN not a burst mage. Riot new classifications simplified things because no ranged champion is an assassin on a new list. Not to mention that she was classified burst mage before a revert given that old LB was definetly classified as assassin after.

My point is that LE BLANC NEVER EVER stopped being an assassin. She also never ever stopped being female interesting fact.

IK we all know this but reverters using classification to say a champ isn't a type of champ...when they still can do what a specific type of champion can do is being purposely ignorant. Thats like saying Varus is or isn't an artillery/marksman...they are both a champ can be more than one class. And whats the point of doing that anyways. Did they WANT her to still be an assassin...cause they updated her during the assassin update...what is that supposed to mean?

Reverter preachers used it as a weapon.

"SHE NO LONGER ASSASSINSEIANDOAO RITO WTF?" "WHAT IS THAT DELAY HOW CAN ASSASSINNIANANI HAVE DELAY" - fun fact she is actually delayed now and ahs less dmg

People get so unreasonable attached and selfish when an unbalanced champ is balanced so other people can enjoy the game, people like these SUCK and are holding the balance of the game hostage. I like Azir, but i can understand that in some instances he might have been toxic. But these assassin/skirmisher players? The sec Riot reasonably nerfs their champ they lose it and act like its impossible to play the champ.

She wasnt balanced sweety, I would be lying if I said she was. She was to strong but pretty much just in my hands still, people would improve with her sooner or later

I hate azir changes to guess whos fault is that AZUBK. Dude literaly ruined 2 champions for me

Most assassins with a dash radius above 600 units have a CD longer than 14 sec...but thats only one dash not 2 can be used with no targeting restrictions. Giving her an 18 sec CD is just more fair...think about what opponents have to deal with.

Zed can reduce W cooldown to 3-4 seconds Talon jumps all the time + he actually does higher dmg then lb Fizz trickster is at lower cooldown Ekko dash is at lower cooldown

18 Second cooldown on an ability which did 20-100 dmg + 0.2 Ratio and was COMPLETLY required for her waveclear. You would end up with no oportunities to bully because you have to clear wave (Riot used this reasoning to bring it down to lower cd after revert)

She was OP specially with hextech revolver/lichbane abuse Quadraproc but very few knew how to control a clone in such way / knew this was possible

Distortion gutting hurt me really hard. But Riot introduced quadraproc accidently. Now only 0.000000001% players knew about it there was nothing to comfort other Le blancs. Also reaching challenger was possible even without quadraproc but there is a reason why I stood out compared to other chall le blancs and I kept getting added by everyone asking for tips

Crying about W gutting poor balance team decision. instead of nerfing her across the board they aimed 1 spot. I understand people who wanted a revert due to that nerf

assassins with the update were supposed to be delayed, the old(reverted and current) LB are not delay, and the way they added a delay on the update version was done poorly. they needed to giver her something to do during they delay or give her something that specs into her theme (deceit) like how they did for Kat, she has a delay but her theme has been expanded upon with it. I have a concept for it if ur interested.

Backloaded E and RQ = Delayed, I never felt "delayed" with reworked LB I guess my mechanics and build helped / her being OP at release helped OLD lb wasnt delayed compared to reverted because there wasnt this wierd backloading (Or a delay for WW for example, it does exist atm) Reworked lb wasnt delayed after quadraproc (and before quadraproc none cared about the delay she was so strong on many other aspects)

well...thats kinda supposed to BE a thing. Assassins are SUPPOSED to take a certain lvl of skill higher than normal to balance their dmg and mobility, PLUS it feeds into her decieve nature. Thats peoples problem not Riots. Took me a bit to figure her out 2 but enough guide vids and u get the gist of her. Her Q didn't need to change tho that added change made her more confusing than necessary.

really, pretty cool to be talking to someone that good on LB, shoot get #1 again and then get Riot to make her balance pls

Next season ll try. I usualy reach challenger around April/March since its not to cold for my fingers I would like to aknowledge I peeked as #1 lb world both with and without Quadraproc abuse (before it existed to) due to that I should be able to reach it again without quadraproc abuse, but I no longer enjoy LB );;

Old bouncy Q had some rng problems but yeah it was fine ability

agreed, but, hey im all about give and take, reduce the range/damage or have a lock out period in which it can't be recast and them maybe she can keep the MS or short CD. But something has to give

Yeah as far as I care they can gut her atm they managed to ruin old combos not even a proper revert. she needs another rework They also ruined a word "COPY"

She no longer copies the last ability she used she copies weird delayed/backoaded versions of it

But old le blanc never needed a rework in first place (She would be fine if they jsut reduced her W speed to 1500) none would complain about counterlpay. But Riot spoiled many people like me with the rework.

I want new LB to be the fusion of old and reworked lb (Thats what I though this partial revert would be boy was I wrong) What to do?

compeletly change passive
Q should be a skillshot (for the power budget purposes)
W should be actually dodge-able (1500 speed, )
E should have lower length so that people can flash and survive
Give us reworked LB R

Passive should be something which promotes different order of abilities and combos

FlameHalbrdOkidoNov 1, 20181 votes

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You answered your own question SHE IS FKING ASSASSIN not a burst mage. Riot new classifications simplified things because no ranged champion is an assassin on a new list. Not to mention that she was classified burst mage before a revert given that old LB was definetly classified as assassin after.

gah i HATE it when this happens, i'm not clear enough in my 1st post and get misunderstood then it feels like the relying person is upset with me. My bad: it was kinda a rhetorical question. I KNOW she's an assassin we all KNOW she's an assassin

My point is that LE BLANC NEVER EVER stopped being an assassin. She also never ever stopped being female interesting fact.

agreed

Reverter preachers used it as a weapon.

"SHE NO LONGER ASSASSINSEIANDOAO RITO WTF?" "WHAT IS THAT DELAY HOW CAN ASSASSINNIANANI HAVE DELAY"

people like the ones ur quoting are the ones i dislike. The who point of the assassin update was to delay their burst so they were more fair to play against.

fun fact she is actually delayed now and ahs less dmg

i guess thats a good thing? But we all know that LB could be much better and much healthier

She wasnt balanced, I would be lying if I said she was. She was to strong but pretty much just in my hands still, people would improve with her sooner or later

Ik she wasn't balanced, my bad for not being clear enough. Riot attempted to reasonably balance her and still failed at it. I do hope they try again.

Zed can reduce W cooldown to 3-4 seconds Talon jumps all the time + he actually does higher dmg then lb Fizz trickster is at lower cooldown Ekko dash is at lower cooldown

to be clear I forgot to add non-ult dashes and was talking about dashes with a range 600 units and longer having a longer CD. Talon, Fizz and Ekko's dashes are all shorter than 600 units, thus a shorter CD. LB's dash is 600 units, thus should have a longer CD. The Base CD of Zed's W is 22 sec, if ur talking about the ult again i forgot to add the non-ult dash part to my previous comment. And besides, u would agree that longer range CD's should generally have a longer CD right? Thats the point im trying to make, that based on other Assassin dashes LB's dash should at least have a 16-18 sec CD for all that it offers in comparison.

18 Second cooldown on an ability which did 20-100 dmg + 0.2 Ratio and was COMPLETLY required for her waveclear. You would end up with no oportunities to bully because you have to clear wave (Riot used this reasoning to bring it down to lower cd after revert)

this is a bit unclear so i hope I dont misinterpret. But i think u think that 18 sec made sense for her W CD. But riot decided to lower the CD...thats sucks Are assassins are supposed to have subpar waveclear in comparison to other champs? Shouldn't they trade their high champion damage in for low waveclear?

Crying about W gutting poor balance team decision. instead of nerfing her across the board they aimed 1 spot. I understand people who wanted a revert due to that nerf

So basically u think think its more like her entire kit needed work and not just the W. Thats understandable. But at a minimum the W CD needs to be higher than 14 sec.

Backloaded E and RQ = Delayed, I never felt "delayed" with reworked LB I guess my mechanics and build helped / her being OP at release helped OLD lb wasnt delayed compared to reverted because there wasnt this wierd backloading (Or a delay for WW for example, it does exist atm) Reworked lb wasnt delayed after quadraproc (and before quadraproc none cared about the delay she was so strong on many other aspects)

basically the passive was a big issue here, i think for the update date the passive was one of the things that needed a lot of work to make it work

Yeah as far as I care they can gut her atm they managed to ruin old combos not even a proper revert. she needs another rework They also ruined a word "COPY"

She no longer copies the last ability she used she copies weird delayed/backoaded versions of it

maybe thats the delay that they are trying to implement. IDK but i think there are other ways delay can be put in

But old le blanc never needed a rework in first place (She would be fine if they jsut reduced her W speed to 1500) none would complain about counterlpay. But Riot spoiled many people like me with the rework.

agreed in a sense and definitely on the W speed thing well i'd say she nvr needed the type of rework they gave her. She needed updated abilities not a rework. I think they went 2 far in some areas. Like the Q didn't need to change right? Like maybe they make it into a skillshot that passes enemy minions instead of being Unit cast but other than that Q didn't need to change cause she doesn't need wave-clear like that. I agree with ur W change and the E stayed the same right?

But i really liked the ultimate because it was Riot trying to actually build some trickery and deceit into her kit. Did u NOT like the new ult? Sure some people wouldn't get the hang of it right away but over time they would. Do u have an issue with the update ult?

I still think the passive was a big reason why it failed tho, besides her damage and the other stuff u listed (mind putting it into a concise list for me? JUST the issues with the mechanics of the kit as numbers can be worked out given enough time) I think if they had given her a passive that also fit her deceit nature it would worked out much better.

Like her spells creating an invisible Sigil where they hit an enemy champion or kill a unit after a 1.5 sec delay for 10 sec. She could cast spells on the Sigil by clicking it, consuming it. Enemies are dealt bonus magic damage if damaged through the Sigil.

I want new LB to be the fusion of old and reworked lb (Thats what I though this partial revert would be boy was I wrong) What to do?

compeletly change passive

Q should be a skillshot (for the power budget purposes)

W should be actually dodge-able (1500 speed, )

E should have lower length so that people can flash and survive

Give us reworked LB R

Passive should be something which promotes different order of abilities and combos

hey i really like ur simple change list and it seems that we are in a similar mindset when it comes to how the mechanics of her kit could work! mind telling me what u think of this passive? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/8EafmpAP-champion-update-concept-leblanc

PoskeNov 1, 20181 votes

Ehm No the 18 second cooldown always felt bad spacially when Q became the max first ability. Its like there were no oportunities in laning phase for her, it always felt odd for an ability which does no damage 100+0.2 To have such long cooldown

This is what I would do

W cooldown reduced to 16,15,14,13,12
W speed reduced to 1500 from 2000
Time left to click W2 reduced to 3.5 seconds from 4 seconds (4 seconds is absurd, Once The W1 lands time starts ticking)

LB cooldowns were never low and I dont understand this wierd cycle jerk "Le blanc has to low cooldowns" Reallity is Quite the contrary actually

THEMATICS. fk THEMATICS, THEMATICS DONT MATTER, LORE DOESNT MATTER, ITS NICE WHEN THINGS ADD UP BUT THIS SHIT DOESNT MATTER You dont rework champions based on their FKING STORIES, specially not a season1 champion.

Your "rework" would be a better champion concept then LB rework

This is whats LB Core. **Combos, Jukes, Mobility, Versaitility, ** IN your rework her core becomes, I can use abilities from different spot !!!!

Currently she lost many combos because the word "copy on her ultimate isnt sincere" She copies backloaded versions of her abilities...
I want my champion to have counterplay. Which means slower W, AND NOT KEEPING IT ZAPPY JUST BECAUSE DEXTERITY / ZAPPINESS FITS LB LORE HISTORY (An excuse Riot used when they Increased her speed back to 2k), Q would turn into skillshot (meteor from above for example). More counterplay also I could make W>Q and Q>E combo more relevant

As far as combos go W>E should be relevant combo (is atm) E>W should be relevant combo (is because she can animation cancel it) Q > E SHOULD CONSTANTLY RIVAL E > Q I want 50/50 split of relevance, ATM E>Q outclasses Q>E to often (Used to be 50/50 split on Real OLD LB) Q > W obviously exist W > Q as a good combo doesnt (and it did in a rework) We miss it (But back then Q > W wasnt so good combo we want both)

This are her basic combos. If you put a good ground for her basic combos she ll end up being a rich champion full of combos, Specially with reworked lb R.

Here is in short what I want. My rework

Definetly new passive, I want entire community to enjoy her passive not just 0.000001% Of le blancs who can** consistently** juke properly with it and automaticaly have a programmed memory muscle, when a clone sounds pop to save a clone and follow him with real lb(thats how you juke) This passive would probably give you a reason to use certain abilities in certain orders for a combos she lost/basicly lost (W>Q, Q>E)
Q, has a Trigger part. Aoe, meteor (diff type of skillshot then her E is, Marks targets for a cool effect)
W same (Medium damage 200+ 0.5 lvl 5, wouldnt be her only waveclear tool, only 1500 speed, only 3.5 seconds to get back)
E same as an actual old LB (no backloading), Perhaps I would replace root with something cooler, 10 range less so its easier to break free
R (Reworked LB R,) Lichbane would require nerfs due to LB. compensate ekko and fizz (TF could use an indirect nerf atm)

Passive would have backloaded part in it, but I wouldnt know what I want until i would start iterating. (Cant give you passive idea yet ;/ ) Mana costs definitly wouldnt be as low as reworked lb has (current mana costs are fine)

Le blanc players want Mobility, Combo, Juke, adaptability perfection, Reworked Le blanc was quite close to it Le blanc pretenders want her to be opressive (actual lb mains dont mind her having counterplay)