So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
So it was basically just a nerf to OE with a fake excuse, typical riot, just like when they said "nobody wants solo q flex is much better" and we had to put with that garbage for a full year.
RiotRiot Cactopus77 votesI'm not sure where OP pulled this quote from. And we need the community's help to correct things like this:
So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
Skin shards from leveling up? That's not a thing.
It's really harmful to upvote misinformation like this. To really understand about the orange essence nerfs, here's a really detailed post about the orange essence nerfs I made a while back on these boards.
Please let us know how you feel about the explanation given there—I promise I'll pass on your feedback to the devs. Just do me a favor and make sure you read the post so your feedback is based on what we actually said about it!
Quepha57 votesThere have definitely been posts from Rioters implying that the OE nerfs were from an idea to redistribute player rewards from the hextech chests to other parts of the game (missions, events, etc.) yet it felt like the Overcharge event gave players much less in rewards than previous events (if you wanted the exclusive icon you wouldn't be able to afford any orbs at all)
I'll try to find the red posts later, not really in the mood to sift back a week in the red tracker at the moment.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesI think Riot is going through a weird period, trying to figure out just how much those Borders are worth to people. The SG skins, it came with a bundle with an icon. Here, ya unlock it for all the new Project Skins, regardless of when you buy them.
RiotRiot Cactopus34 votesThere have definitely been posts from Rioters implying that the OE nerfs were from an idea to redistribute player rewards from the hextech chests to other parts of the game (missions, events, etc.)
Yeah I say that exactly in the post I linked. But there's more to it than that. This is why I really want folks to read the post before commenting with feedback.
I'm curious about your thoughts on the Overcharge missions. How many of the missions did you do?
Infernape37 votesAll of them. I personally liked them because they were pretty straightforward and didn't pull none of the "5 man premade" shenanigans of other missions and none of the missions or rewards were tied to a pass you'd have to buy with RP.
I can see the few people that primarily don't play games on Summoner's Rift having an issue with the "win a game on Summoner's Rift in under 33 minutes" mission though.
RiotRiot Cactopus26 votesHow much stuff were you able to get with the tokens you unlocked? I'm not actually aware of how much it totaled out to
HorizonX50 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5vUJflhE,comment-id=001e0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-05T20:53:36.057+0000)
How much stuff were you able to get with the tokens you unlocked? I'm not actually aware of how much it totaled out to
2 Orbs for completing the entire event. Could have been as low as 300 essence after disenchanting, maybe double that if you were lucky, more if you were REALLY lucky. And OP is not spreading misinformation, you do not get skin shards from leveling up. They didn't say you promised that. They are correctly stating we do not have any substantial additional sources of skin shards yet, but our shards are worth less AND cost more to upgrade.
Breaku2 votesI got super lucky with my orbs, got around 5k OE worth of shards from the two orbs
UpDownLeftRightAB15 votesI got 100 OE flat + around 300 OE if I disenchanted the skins from my two orbs. That's the problem with lootboxes, same work put in, yet Player A gets 5000 and Player B gets 500 (Or less apparently). That's just why I don't think Riot should ever use RNG to justify anything with regards to loot from events.
nGio28 votesEvery mission completed got me a Project Zed skin shard which I don't need, 2 key fragments, and 160 BE. Going from level 30 to 45 I now have the Zed shard worth 270, a 104 skin shard, and a ward skin worth 128. 15 levels, an honor capsule, and an event full clear for a total of 502 OE. That's not even halfway to an epic skin.
The problem is that you guys have continued to be disingenuous throughout this entire process. You use 'best case' hypotheticals for every change. I own every champion, the BE gains are absolute shit, but even if they were better I still wouldn't have anything to spend it on. You revamped the entire BE system to just give us back a system with the same problems but with less reward. Gain a level, get depressed when I think about opening my level capsule, open the level capsule, grind down the garbage into BE, have nothing to spend BE on. You guys didn't 'fix' shit.
With OE, you just nerfed the shit out of it and tried to be disingenuous again, but the change is so bad and obvious that you couldn't fool a 2 year old. I play multiple games every single day, and if I continue at this rate, I'll be able to unlock my first Legendary skin by October 2018. With the BE, you could at least fool the dumb dumbs into thinking that they got a sweet deal, but the OE change is so laughably fucking horrible that even your apologists are staying away from this one. You can't even use monkey math or fool anyone with misdirection when you go that blatant and over the top.
Oxyrotten6 votesBecause they want us to purchase more. They figure the less we receive the more we will purchase. And they straight up lie about it, or cleverly word or reword things to disguise their intentions.
Riot only cares about the $$$
nGio9 votesSadly for them, they'll never win that war with me. About a year ago I decided to not spend a single penny here again until we get a permanent or monthly rotation of URF/One For All/Hexakill. I hate that the modes I'd rather be playing are locked in a vault somewhere, and we are forced to play LC$ Simulator like good monkeys. Them being greedy on top of that just makes me feel better about my decision.
Oxyrotten3 votesI'm just a broke hoe, and I refuse to pay for something I can earn in game. Or at least something I used to be able to earn in game.
The only thing I pay for is skins, and I think maybe I bought one of those champion starter bundles when I first made an account or two.
Pokku3 votesI have also refused to purchase any RP since they increased the prices in Europe in 2015. To make me purchase RP again (even at the higher rates), they would need to do away with all these demonstrations of superior greed.
I hope this kind of boycotting—for whatever reason—is widespread.
Faceroll Tactics8 votesIf you want the borders, you end up with the borders and 16 tokens, which is worth next to nothing.
IcyPepper11 votesI think OP made up the quote to farm upvotes, hence the lack of any citation.
Making up something and putting it in quotes, which would indicate direct quotes (aka it was literally said by someone), is practically putting words in someone's mouth. And that's rude.
And doing it just to refute it? Literally what the straw man's fallacy is.
With these 100 upvotes for faulty logical fallacies and lack of tact? Kind of an echo chamber here. You're a brave Rioter to even enter this thread.
RiotRiot Cactopus24 votesYeah, imma get downvoted regardless of what I post because the orange essence disenchant rate changes are never gonna be popular. But I might as well come in here to set the record straight about why we really did it. And that after that's done maybe i can post some dank memes or something
Infernape15 votespost some dank memes
RiotRiot Cactopus40 votes
Velzard of Koz7 votesI think OP made up the quote to farm upvotes, hence the lack of any citation.
You didn't read the link, did you...
IcyPepper1 votesOP didn't post one, so I couldn't.
Velzard of Koz6 votesCactopus did and you responded to his post.
IcyPepper3 votesSo far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
from OP
Skin shards from leveling up? That's not a thing.
from Cactopus
I mean Cactopus is using sources and already there seems to be a disconnect in what OP thinks and Cactopus is saying.
Velzard of Koz11 votesWhat disconnect? OP isn't lying. He didn't get any OE from leveling up. He didn't say it was stated he should he said he didn't get any to emphasise the new system doesn't help in any way. And you, yet again just like acc, focused on that totally ignoring the more crucial thing about hextech boxes.
Additionally, you have a very ironic problem with understanding what quote is, despite complaining about it. What has that part of OP's post to do with this when we are clearly talking about the quote from the title as that is the only actual quote there. I used the Quote feature to express I am clearly responding to that your single point that the quote is totally made up, hence my recommendaton to read the link in the very post you responded to. Instead of doing so, you suddenly jump to absolutely different point (and a bad one even) which is, yet another irony, straw-maning that you complained about.
SSShutTheDuckUp17 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fRZopjhE,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-11-12T18:53:04.273+0000)
Going into 2018 you're also gonna get skin content through things like events and honor (lets call them "orange shards" since we're really talking about anything that can be disenchanted into orange essence). We lowered the disenchant rate on shards, and we're giving out more shards.
I believe the OP refers to this from the quite you linked. Actually I also left with the impression we'd get more shards. I wouldn't argue if it is a god change or not, though maybe it would be a good idea to give us some sort of schedule on these events, when they will happen and the approximate value we would get from them.
Edit: Brought the whole paragraph.
RiotRiot Cactopus30 votesYeah it's true that you get skin shards from events like Overcharge now. But that's a lot different than what OP is saying. Here's what OP said:
So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
I mean, help me out, guys. All of you know for a fact by now that we never said you'd get skin shards from leveling up. That's not what the system is for. And we also didn't change the rate that skin shards drop in boxes (we never said we would). You guys on the boards are some of the most engaged players who read everything we put out—I really need community members to call out stuff that's just straight up misinformation like this.
Velzard of Koz31 votesI mean, help me out, guys. All of you know for a fact by now that we never said you'd get skin shards from leveling up. That's not what the system is for.
Yes, his point probably was that the leveling up system does not contribute to it in any way, while it could have as it was coincidentally released with the changes, he listed it just so that someone doesn't go "Maybe we'll get some OE from the leveling up evetually". It's one short subsentence you focus too much on and call it disinformation, when he says he didn't get any skin shards from boxes either, which is much more crucial problem you ignore. That RNG that somehow gives ya'll hard-on. The fact someone may not mind your change because they get legendary from every box while someone else is fucked over because they got champ shard, again. And the fact champ shard can drop is still gambling problem with bought chests despite the bad luck protection.
People would bitch less if there wasn't RNG in nearly every reward now. I got the minimum 810 BE from either majority or quite a lot of my leveling up capsules. It makes me ignore your statistics on how small chance that it and makes me just think the system sucks, since someone might've gotten even less essence than me or double the essence than me despite the fact we put in the same performance to level up. Boxes the same thing. Majority of my boxes this year, which were defo more than 10, had champ shards... So like... Thanks I guess but I don't understand why my S+ grade was worth less than someone else.
This creates the reason people hate the leveling capsules. Because some people don't want to wait out 30 level-ups to make sure majority of their capsules won't be the 810 BE and that big fancy maximum bumber is there just to pretend the system is more rewarding. And because some people don't have enough luck to grind 1000 legendaries to be able to redeem that one legendary. Seriously I think the ratio is currently cca 4 or 3 disenchanted legendaries to redeem one legendary. That's a lot of luck one needs to unlock something so all that one can do is that Skin Shards as nice decorations in inventory and ignore them due to the new OE ratio.
This entire season seems like I will have to quite ignore the honor system, the level-up system, the lootbox system and the mastery system because neither gives guarantee of reward for the performance given good enough for me to care. If that protects your revenue okay, but now when I get skin shard I know it's very likely going to eat dust in inventory, when I get capsule I am ready for another measly 810 BE, when I get Mastery token I know it's waste to redeem it when I get Honor Capsule it's going to shit out some low-value shard and 30th key for me.
The skin shards thing may yet to change based on how bad luck protection will work for me when the lootbox-per-season resets, in case Overcharge wasn't example of the "more OE from events" maybe I'll grind some from future events over year, but the rest makes me feel very... uninterested. With honor I don't care much, the system is kinda broken, I am not honorful enough for that high tier and one should not be honorful for rewards, but the Mastery prices, which are staying the same for way too long and the frequency of the minimum value capsules hurts.
Hammermancer7 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5vUJflhE,comment-id=001e00040000,timestamp=2017-12-05T21:00:54.417+0000)
You guys on the boards are some of the most engaged players who read everything we put out—I really need community members to call out stuff that's just straight up misinformation like this.
MEANWHILE in another topic riot is saying the boards aren't worth reading because we only just bitch and we're too full of salt
XD
The Great Divide5 votesRiot Cactopus is just digging holes in a bunch of places. He's turning into the next RiotRepertoir
Recuro23 votesI hate to be that guy but...
"We lowered the disenchant rate on shards, and we're giving out more shards."
The quote you're questioning is literally in the comment you linked.
Granted the rest of the post gives some important context for that quote but let's at least be consistent here.
RiotRiot Cactopus26 votesOP isn't talking about that, though. Look at his post. He thinks he's supposed to be getting skin shards from leveling up. You guys really can't just take one line out of context and take something totally different from it like that.
Rexxiee44 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5vUJflhE,comment-id=001e00070000,timestamp=2017-12-05T21:03:20.438+0000)
OP isn't talking about that, though. Look at his post. He thinks he's supposed to be getting skin shards from leveling up. You guys really can't just take one line out of context and take something totally different from it like that.
When did i mention we were supposed to get lvl up skin shards?
Oh right, nowhere, all im saying is that those new "sources" of OE are nowhere to be found, the new event included, where they made it so if you want the icon + the borders you couldnt even get a single orb for 1 skin shard without paying for more tokens, this is actually LESS than events like riven/yasuo one.
Why couldnt we just get the border for buying the skins on the release week? Why do we have to waste possible rewards on friggin borders? This is just too greedy.
There is no real compensation for the OE nerfs (and with how things are looking there WONT be any) and you know it.
marpatt1115 votesWhen did i mention we were supposed to get lvl up skin shards?
Oh right, nowhere, all im saying is that those new "sources" of OE are nowhere to be found, the new event included, where they made it so if you want the icon + the borders you couldnt even get a single orb for 1 skin shard without paying for more tokens, this is actually LESS than events like riven/yasuo one.
Why couldnt we just get the border for buying the skins on the release week? Why do we have to waste possible rewards on friggin borders? This is just too greedy.
There is no real compensation for the OE nerfs (and with how things are looking there WONT be any) and you know it.
????
. . . .
So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
So it was basically just a nerf to OE with a fake excuse, typical riot, just like when they said "nobody wants solo q flex is much better" and we had to put with that garbage for a full year.
guess I should go complain about pigs not giving me milk to help support my arguement on how we don't get enough milk outta cows
IcyPepper3 votesdat downvote without response
it's literally right there
???
It's become an echo chamber
edit: look someone just did it to me too. You guys need to respond with logic. Silently fuming is just proving my point here.
marpatt112 votesHe said "when did I mention we were supposed to get lvl up skin shards" and in the post he says "0 skin shards from leveling up too" suggesting you're supposed to get skin shards from level ups but he hasn't
use your brain next time, either he knows you don't get skin shards from lvling up and is lying to try and farm upvotes. Or is a completely brain dead person. Just pointing out the obvious
don't blame the messenger.
Anonagon22 votesOP using level up capsules as an example of a source by which skin shards could potentially be delivered is not OP implying that Riot has ever said we were supposed to get skin shards from that source.
Riot said "Hey, you'll get some Orange Essence some other way" OP said "I'm looking everywhere you could have possible put it and its not there"
marpatt111 votesOP using level up capsules as an example of a source by which skin shards could potentially be delivered is not OP implying that Riot has ever said we were supposed to get skin shards from that source.
Riot said "Hey, you'll get some Orange Essence some other way" OP said "I'm looking everywhere you could have possible put it and its not there"
Riot never said they'd be in level up capsules. Stating that they "aren't giving me any skins!" is like saying "people said that horses would give me milk, but they aren't giving me any!" its to help strenthen his arguement by using false facts, lies. Stuff that looks true and believable on the surface, like saying "piggy banks don't give me any money" but then you look at it closer, they were never deisgned to. Riot never said that level capsules were going to give skins or OE, just look at the preseason page. Riot probably did say that they were going to give out more orange essence but there isn't any quotes for it Also, stating you get 0 from something doesn't = saying you're looking everywhere "I haven't gotten a single champ shard from a hextech chest! therefore there shaln't be any champ shards anywhere! I have searched everywhere!" sane and reasonable person: how many hextech chests have you opened? "none!" "I haven't gotten any money from my job! this is outrageous!" sane person: do you even have a job? "no!" thats basically the OP in the quotes there bud. Saying something that is true, but once you look under the skin, it make sense why it is true Level up capsules were never designed to drop skin shards Saying you haven't gotten any skin shards from them is the truth using it in an argument to support your argument is blatant lying
Anonagon6 votesBOY Can you read? I never said that skin shards are supposed to be in level up capsules. OP never said that skin shards are supposed to be in level up capsules. The argument does not hinge on the idea that skin shards are supposed to be in level up capsules. Your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking.
marpatt111 votesthen why the fuck would the OP bring up that point if they aren't supposed to be in lvl up capsules?
Anonagon4 votesProbably because its one of the few examples of an existing system by which these extra skin shards could theoretically be delivered to players.
marpatt111 votesProbably because its one of the few examples of an existing system by which these extra skin shards could theoretically be delivered to players.
Then why didn't the OP phrase it like this "We don't even get skin shards from lvl capsules" instead of this "0 skin shards from lvl capsules too"
Anonagon7 votesBecause it doesn't matter either way because the message is effectively the same?
Saying "0 skin shards from lvl capsules" is just a simple statement of the fact that the promised "more skin shards" are not present in the level capsules, leading the OP to wonder where in fact they are supposed to be, as they aren't in loot boxes, level capsules, or honor capsules.
Look dude, just because a Rioter has bad reading comprehension skills doesn't mean you have to take the fall with them. You are allowed to change your stance. You don't have to argue it until you're dead.
Xonra13 votesThank you, exactly this. Not sure why that is so hard to understand lol
Xonra6 votesHe misinterpreted your comment as "Yeah, and I got zero skins from leveling" as if you were saying you could, but you were unlucky and hadn't. Not sure why, as no one else in the thread seems to have, but he is dwelling on that and beating it like a dead horse, then he claims we spread misinformation, and mocks us on Reddit for doing so (He went on a mocking spiel about how we here on the boards just upvote misinformation, likely referencing this thread given the time frame he made that comment).
Legit lost all respect for him after that.
AMYS GRAVE13 votesAs a point of order, maybe don't come in here and put words in the OPs mouth? It really hurts the state of discourse when you do. Point fingers at the boards as a place which lacks in discourse, but when you come in here claiming that the OP is spreading misinformation when they aren't then you should expect a hostile environment. I've really seen rioters come out on these boards swinging recently, and its a disturbing trend.
IcyPepper3 votesOP said this
When did i mention we were supposed to get lvl up skin shards?
but said this in his original post:
So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too.
OP is being inconsistent. That is misinformation.
Velzard of Koz8 votesNo this is people like you having reading and comprehension abilities of rabid squirrel. He listed it as capsules not providing OE in the context of OE nerfs being justified by "more sources of OE".
CleanerX6 votes[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5vUJflhE,comment-id=001e00070000000400000000,timestamp=2017-12-06T01:40:36.223+0000)
No this is people like you having reading and comprehension abilities of rabid squirrel. He listed it as capsules not providing OE in the context of OE nerfs being justified by "more sources of OE".
exactly, that rioter is smoking something else.
Xonra4 votesIt's okay, according to him on Reddit, WE are the ones who upvote misinformation (referencing this board given the time he posted that comment on Reddit, mocking the boards essentially).
"Boards are weird. People will upvote misinformation or really anything with enough rage in it. It’s sort of designed to be a place where you take Riot to task versus a real community."
Was his exact quote on Reddit. We supposedly upvote misinformation and aren't a real community. He seems to be just looking for an argument for some reason, then going to reddit to get free karma as they hate the boards there.
