Its happening!!!!

Marshbouy·Jun 17, 2016·11 votes·1,953 views

RIOT is going somewhere. Lets break this down into two parts.

Badges. The badges displaying that you are premade or not premade are definitely a plus in my opinion. In order to not have a "badge of shame" you will be motivated to play alone, and finally people will be able to know if you got boosted into a division. It's derogatory but it is definitely a step in the right direction. People will want to have the solo badge and therefore play solo more often.
Ranked 5v5 will be back. Thank god. This will let people play with their friends in 5 man premades once more.

Discuss the changes in the comments below and try to keep civil!

62 Comments

SergeantScuttlerJun 17, 20165 votes

Emblems are a way to address some of the issues but they're way too small of a step. They're gimmicks rather than an objective system where you can see your solo performance separately.

Besides not being retroactive, a player could simply DQ with his friends till he gets Platinum 5 or whatever desired rank and play solo from that point onwards to get the emblem. Since you can't see true MMR, it's open to abuse. They'd have to perform at ~Gold 5 level to drop out of Platinum. To others, it will appear that they reached Platinum through their own efforts even if their skill is unchanged. Moreover, it's too easy to get it. You only have to play the majority of your last 25 games solo to get it (which means you can even DQ 13 of them). It doesn't matter what total percentage of your ranked history those 25 games represent.

It also doesn't seem consistent with Riot's vision. Such an emblem actually discourages people from grouping up so that they don't lose it. Wouldn't it be better to just separate the solo performance and not put any additional strain on someone to maintain some arbitrary emblem?

MarshbouyJun 17, 20161 votes

They are gimmicks because they cant totally delete the system before the season is over.

If they can stay at platinum 5 aren't they holding their own and have at least some skill?

? 13/25 is the majority. Even still thats 12 solo games. Plenty of time to drop LP and demote.

What do you suggest they do? Take the emblem away and stop motivating people from playing solo? They can't remove DQ mid season, it would ruin the ladder

ofartJun 17, 20162 votes

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They are gimmicks because they cant totally delete the system before the season is over.

If they can stay at platinum 5 aren't they holding their own and have at least some skill?

? 13/25 is the majority. Even still thats 12 solo games. Plenty of time to drop LP and demote.

What do you suggest they do? Take the emblem away and stop motivating people from playing solo? They can't remove DQ mid season, it would ruin the ladder

It's much easier to stay at division 5 than it is to get there. If I drop from Gold 5 to Silver 1, my MMR has to be worse than Silver 3. Believe me, I've got experience on this. :D

And yeah, 12 solo games is better than nothing but if you get your friend to win with you every other game, I don't see why those games have any relevance. You'd have to play 12 games in a row on your own for that to become a possibility.

LostFr0stJun 17, 20162 votes

The idea is for people who queue dynamic to want to play some solo, therefore "proving" that they belong there. If they get boosted but can still hold their own then they're not completely boosted I guess? They kinda took a shortcut to where they'd have ended up? If they lose the solo games they'll drop though.

Critmaster GarenJun 18, 20165 votes

oh god. this is already the second badge of shame they added. imagine someomeone with a bronze badge with this underneath it.

they should add the uninstall button directly to the client for those people as an act of mercy.

"solo"

"party"

"unininstall game and launch candy crush"

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

lol

franticFurballJun 18, 20165 votes

And the emblems are going to solve which of the issues of Dynamic Garbage exactly, Rito?

Oh cool, now we have a badge of shame for all the boosters.

Will that make the impact soloQ players have in DynamicGarbage any better? Nope. Will it solve the premade toxicity problem? Nope. Will it prevent unbalanced games of premades vs. soloQ players? Nope.

And why is that? BECAUSE ITS A PURELY COSMETIC CHANGE. WOW. AWESOME. I AM MUCH IMPRESSED. [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap]

You know what WOULD solve all those problems? If you had just given us soloQ.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20162 votes

What emblems will do is make some people want to play solo for the emblem. this is lessen the amount of premade players by a fair amount. on top of that if someone is bragging about being plat or whatever you can check and see if they were dynamic boosted.

The issue is that they can't reinstate soloQ in the middle of the season. it would screw up the ladder a lot. All i ask of you is for now, give riot some time to either fix DQ or reinstate soloQ by the end of s6/start of s7. If they don't do that, aka DQ is still implemented and is still trashy AF then go apeshit. At least they are trying.

franticFurballJun 18, 20161 votes

What emblems will do is make some people want to play solo for the emblem. this is lessen the amount of premade players by a fair amount.

That may be the motivation, but it won't work, for 2 reasons:

People who still take ranked seriously (despite season6 ranks being completely meaningless) won't sacrifice ELO for a badge that basically does nothing. Playing solo in S6 is hell due to dynamic garbage, so given a choice and the will to do it, people will rather play with their premades and win games, than risk losing as solo for a meaningless badge
This is speculation, but the badge will most likely be placed on an average of the games played, so I think, even if someone plays enough soloQ games for the badge, he will lose it afterwards for playing with his premade again. Could be wrong, but as far as I know, that could be how it works. And if it doesn't, then the whole badge is even more meaning less than it already looks.

ArakadiaJun 18, 20161 votes

If their for DQ why are they trying to lessen how many premises there are?

I doubt people care what their emblem is.

Sneakyy XDJun 18, 20165 votes

Or they could just reinstate solo queue

MarshbouyJun 18, 20163 votes

Ive said it once and i will say it for the 18th time The issue is that they can't reinstate soloQ in the middle of the season. it would screw up the ladder a lot. All i ask of you is for now, give riot some time to either fix DQ or reinstate soloQ by the end of s6/start of s7. If they don't do that, aka DQ is still implemented and is still trashy AF then go apeshit. At least they are trying.

Sneakyy XDJun 18, 20165 votes

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Ive said it once and i will say it for the 18th time The issue is that they can't reinstate soloQ in the middle of the season. it would screw up the ladder a lot. All i ask of you is for now, give riot some time to either fix DQ or reinstate soloQ by the end of s6/start of s7. If they don't do that, aka DQ is still implemented and is still trashy AF then go apeshit. At least they are trying.

There is absolutely no reason solo queue and dynamic queue can't have separate ladders.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

Well... There is. Dynamic queue needs solo players to fill the gaps in matchmaking. Also no one would play DQ if there was soloQ. DQ would be useless

YJRBqwXJcSJun 18, 20163 votes

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Well... There is. Dynamic queue needs solo players to fill the gaps in matchmaking. Also no one would play DQ if there was soloQ. DQ would be useless

What better way to enforce dq than creating a bad guy or group to fight against

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

that makes no sense

YJRBqwXJcSJun 18, 20165 votes

This is obviously bait.

-riot enforces premade badges as a means to counter attack the "dynamic queue ruins everything shit"

-people start to harass people with dynamic queue badges

-dynamic queue badge harassment gets put into the punishment system

-WHAM riot uses this as an excuse and more statistics "solo queue players are actually a bad thing for this game."

-riot continues saying that dynamic queue is actually a least toxic experience and they were right all along

Wake up people

Either riot gives us a solo queue or this game can continue being dragged down to casual hell

MarshbouyJun 18, 20163 votes

"puts tinfoil hat on"

DREADN0UGHTJun 18, 20164 votes

Actually I'm pretty fucking pissed about the Ranked 5v5 change. I'm glad they are bringing it back, but it pisses me off into obvlivion that they would enforce a specific time for its activation. As if everyone in the fucking world had an 8 to 4 monday through friday work schedual. Riot is doing the right thing in bringing it back, but they are overthinking this. And fuck this ''Queue timers would be too long'' bullshit, Season 5 had 4 queues (Teambuilder, soloQ, 5v5s, Norms), + Dominion, Aram, 3v3 and ranked 3v3. Guess what: Queue timers were reasonable. Stop the bullshit and just bring 5v5 back AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY.

Critmaster GarenJun 18, 20166 votes

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Actually I'm pretty fucking pissed about the Ranked 5v5 change. I'm glad they are bringing it back, but it pisses me off into obvlivion that they would enforce a specific time for its activation. As if everyone in the fucking world had an 8 to 4 monday through friday work schedual. Riot is doing the right thing in bringing it back, but they are overthinking this. And fuck this ''Queue timers would be too long'' bullshit, Season 5 had 4 queues, + Dominion, Aram, 3v3 and ranked 3v3. Guess what: Queue timers were reasonable. Stop the bullshit and just bring 5v5 back AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY.

this is just another half assed attempt to fix a fundamentally broken system.

instead of enabling dynamic que (1-5 players) and solo que separately they limit 5v5's to below diamond and certain times of the day. like what the fuck. this is so awkward.

DREADN0UGHTJun 18, 20161 votes

They don't bring Solo queue back? Fine, make DynQ more balanced through MMR ajustments. They bring 5v5 back after gaping Elite MMR player's asses wide open? Fine, but DON'T LIMIT IT TO CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY!!!

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

They are trying to make DynQ more balanced, it takes serious effort to do so. Most likely they will either get it fixed by the end of season 6 or if it isnt bring it back in season 7 or everyone will quit league.

I mean okay but its a start

LostFr0stJun 18, 20161 votes

They have to limit the times to queue up otherwise you end up with enormous queue times and unfair matches; or being against the same team for 5 games in a row... been there, done that.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

It's just RIOT man. It will hype people up to play during those times if they see that they can. Its a start.

Lilly MayJun 18, 20163 votes

So these badges promote people to play solo for a queue riot created to get people to play with friends in premades more? Lmao good job, riot.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20163 votes

Do you honestly think they are still trying to hold that view? Everyone wants soloQ and then RIOT does something to promote playing solo and the community doesnt listen. Accept what you fucking get.

franticFurballJun 18, 20162 votes

Do you honestly think they are still trying to hold that view?

Apperently they do, because otherwise, they would simply scrap the Dynamic Garbage and give us back soloQ.

In fact, they don't even need to delete the DynQ. Just give players a soloQ as alternative, and let the community do the rest (DynQ would probably be gone due to hour-long queue timers in a matter of days.)

And no, we don't "Accept what we fucking get"

I for one completely stopped playing league a month ago, and rito will neither have one hour of my time ingame for their queue, nor a single cent worth of RP, until they re-introduce soloQ. I am the customer, I don't have to accept anything...because I get to chose where I invest my time and money. If what I want from a product isn't what I get, then I stop buying it, simple as that.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

I will fucking say it again Reintroducing soloQ in the middle of a season will ruin the ranked ladder. RIOT is either going to give it their all to fix DQ before season 7 or switch soloQ then. If DQ is not fixed by then and we still have to deal with it then you can go apeshit like everyone is constantly going. I am so fucking tired of having to repeat this one simple, obvious answer.

ArakadiaJun 18, 20162 votes

Why would it ruin the ladder if we do it now?

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

What? I fucking hate this question because its incredibly dumb. People would have gotten to these positions by being carried. They can no longer be carried. they will feed there way to bronze. the current rankings are based on DQ. Removing DQ would fuck everything up. its much better just to attempt to fix it now and change it out at the end of the season

ArakadiaJun 19, 20161 votes

I really didn't know, you didn't have to be rude.

Maybe we could restart the season now, but keep it S6. I mean you do have a great point but you didn't have to be mean.

MarshbouyJun 19, 20162 votes

Because ive gotten that question 905819430 times. Im sorry for being rude. We can't restart the season because it would ruin all the other seasons after

ArakadiaJun 19, 20162 votes

Don't restart season per say, keep it at S6. BUT restart all ranked like normal seasons start.

MarshbouyJun 19, 20162 votes

Even still. People would be upset about having to try to climb for end of season rewards and blah blah blah. RIOT painted themself into a corner and anything they can do at this point will get them yelled at

LostFr0stJun 19, 20161 votes

Can't do that. Restarting all ranked=season 7. Ranked start and end are the only actual things that can't be changed.

I found something on ask.fm about that http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler : Q: Is it safe to say now, in hindsight, that dynamic Q was at least rushed? I remember a podcast with Lyte saying how he had the goal of revamping it all within 1 year and everyone was all like, "I don't think you'll be able to." A: I would describe it this way: the development on the feature wasn't rushed, but at the very end we ran into some problems that took time to fix before we could go live. Our original timetable had DQ live for a long time before the ranked season started, but with the bugs, we burned through all of that time and were ultimately faced with the the hard choice of turning on DQ, keeping it off, or delaying the ranked season. We turned it on, but given the number of problems it still had, that was the wrong choice when viewed through 20/20 hindsight. One of the great things about working on League is that there are very few hard deadlines. We patch frequently, so you don't run the risk of missing the box product release or even missing an expansion if your feature slips. Ranked season starting and esports events are the two big cases where you do have hard deadlines.

LostFr0stJun 18, 20161 votes

How do you feel on the question one rioter asked about two ladders in the same queue?

That's what they currently have cooking.

franticFurballJun 19, 20161 votes

two ladders in the same queue?

If so, I don't care, because it solves none of the problems Dynamic Garbage causes.

It would still be an individual rank, based on measurings influenced by group dynamics changing on a game per game basis (and therefore meaningless)
It would not solve the problem that soloQ players have lowered impact on their games when forced to plaz with/against premades
It would not solve the problem of premade toxicity

Those are the big three. Any solution that does not tackle these problems, is no solution.

LostFr0stJun 19, 20161 votes

Then we have to let them know then that the experience is just as important as the rank.

Would voice chat implementation help those three enough? I know it would hit 1 and maybe 2 if the solo is outgoing; I don't think it could make 3 worse.

franticFurballJun 19, 20161 votes

Then we have to let them know then that the experience is just as important as the rank.

Yeah, we tried that. We let them know months ago.

Even before DQ was implemented, we told Rito what would happen if this garbage system replaced soloQ. And EVERY SINGLE ONE of our predictions became reality.

Its not a matter of wheter they were told, because they were told a thousand times and more, in every tone imaginable, at every level of sophistication, and by every communication channel that exists between players and developers on the internet.

Would voice chat implementation help those three enough?

Good question. If they had implemented it at the very beginning of S6, maybe. Now, after months of Dynamic Garbage? No, not even close.

Premades in League are used to their own means of communication by now, and won't readily give them up. The closed system also made many premades viable who don't speak english (no problem as long as one is on skype only with his classmates), who wouldn't even be able to use voicechat in an international environment.

IMO, the only thing they can do at this point, that would actually solve the problems, is bring back soloQ. If that ruins Dynamic Garbage by giving premades unacceptable queue times, it will only prove that the community doesn't want that system.

Everything else, unless its a really brilliant, genius level idea, and we are talking Albert Einstein level genius here, is barely a bandaid.

LostFr0stJun 19, 20161 votes

I'm well aware of the radio silence as the major issue here. IF they had put new champ select alone they'd have real numbers, but they didn't. Now they're hurting from it in reputation, trust, and validity of solving the toxicity problem along with Dynamic boost. They already know all that. There's some stuff on here about that too http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler

Premades not using the in-league voice chat is simple then: refusal to communicate. If they don't chat, ping or communicate in any way with the solos when they have a way to do that and they're a large premade then it is what it is. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they just partnered with cursevoice or another already established program and meshed the two together. That one already detects your league accounts anyways.

franticFurballJun 19, 20161 votes

They already know all that.

I know that they know. And a few months ago, that gave me a good feeling. Now I simply don't care any more what they know, because I don't see the action resulting from the knowledge. They say they are going to make things better for solo players. I don't see it, I don't feel it.

Premades not using the in-league voice chat is simple then: refusal to communicate.

Refusing to communicate can never be a valid report reason in a F2P game that is available all over the globe. For that reason, it wasn't even a valid report when it was in the drop down list (you could report for it, but it did nothing, it was a placebo report to distract report-ragers).

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they just partnered with cursevoice or another already established program and meshed the two together.

If, when, maybe. Not good words when a dev wants to rebuild trust with lost customers.

Also, if they do it in a way where I have to use 3rd party software or web-resources, then no thanks. This is 2016, I expect a voice client to be built-in in the game. Overwatch delivers that.

LostFr0stJun 20, 20161 votes

I'm not feeling it either yet; they can't salvage this season.

Fair enough about the refusal to communicate, but they have to do something for that.

So Overwatch has a push to talk key or something like that? Humor me, I haven't played it. Just wondering how it filters out all the ambient noise/feedback if someone has no mic.

franticFurballJun 20, 20162 votes

Humor me, I haven't played it.

It has voice chat built-in, and its on by default, with circumflex (^-key) as the Push-To-Talk button. You can swap to voice-activation, but its Push-to-talk by default.

It doesn't filter out anything, but you can press P any time (yes, also during a game) to bring up the social menu and either leave the channel entirely, or mute/unmute players.

The system also provides channels, between which you also swap in the social menu...usually you have one channel for the party you're in (your "premade" if you play with one), and your group (The group the matchmaking puts you into).

LostFr0stJun 20, 20161 votes

That really sounds nice. All built into the client... Mmmm.[zombie-nunu-hearts]

Lilly MayJun 19, 20162 votes

Premades still get bonus ip and bonuses of the like so yea, riot still wants people to play in premades with all their incentives to do so. I personally don't like how dq is right now, but I also know solo q won't be back. I just find riots decisions right now are laughable considering how little this actually helps and they're ironic compared to what riot was originally trying to achieve at the beginning of the season with the intro of dq. And these badges are just a decoration after all. They should do something more drastic, like the separate ladders for solo and premade players, as was mentioned. I honestly think you need to calm down. Being so rude and hostile isn't helping your words be more impact full or anything, it's really just making people defensive and unwilling to truly listen to you.

MarshbouyJun 19, 20161 votes

That is a negligible issue at this point in time. Bringing that up as some sort of injustice is stupid, it happened before with premades in blind pick, draft pick ECT and it's not even a serious issue.

im getting hostile because holyshitillhavetofuckingtypethisagian. They cannot change it mid season because, People would have gotten to these positions by being carried. They can no longer be carried. they will feed there way to bronze. the current rankings are based on DQ. Removing DQ would fuck everything up. its much better just to attempt to fix it now and change it out at the end of the season

They cannot make seperate ladders for the two queues because dynamic queue needs the solo players to fill in the gaps without absolutely colossal queue times.

Doesn't matter if i swear. RIOT haters dont have a brain to listen to people with. They will insult everything they are doing, even if they are trying. The biggest thing about this change is that RIOT is looking towards differentiating people based on how they play in ranked. It's a start.

Finally, RIOT painted themself into a corner. They realized they cannot have the two queues side by side after they had promised to bring back SoloQ and they can't switch it out this late into the season. What i think they are trying to do now is fix DQ and if they can't get it fixed by s7 they will bring back soloQ. They wouldn't dare say it at this point though.

Lilly MayJun 20, 20161 votes

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That is a negligible issue at this point in time. Bringing that up as some sort of injustice is stupid, it happened before with premades in blind pick, draft pick ECT and it's not even a serious issue.

im getting hostile because holyshitillhavetofuckingtypethisagian. They cannot change it mid season because, People would have gotten to these positions by being carried. They can no longer be carried. they will feed there way to bronze. the current rankings are based on DQ. Removing DQ would fuck everything up. its much better just to attempt to fix it now and change it out at the end of the season

They cannot make seperate ladders for the two queues because dynamic queue needs the solo players to fill in the gaps without absolutely colossal queue times.

Doesn't matter if i swear. RIOT haters dont have a brain to listen to people with. They will insult everything they are doing, even if they are trying. The biggest thing about this change is that RIOT is looking towards differentiating people based on how they play in ranked. It's a start.

Finally, RIOT painted themself into a corner. They realized they cannot have the two queues side by side after they had promised to bring back SoloQ and they can't switch it out this late into the season. What i think they are trying to do now is fix DQ and if they can't get it fixed by s7 they will bring back soloQ. They wouldn't dare say it at this point though.

I never once said they should implement anything in the middle of season, you're just assuming. Granted I also didn't say they should wait so that's on me for not clarifying one or the other. All I think Riot should do is communicate properly to their players and lay down a solid plan for what they're going to do if DQ is still a miserable mess at the end of the season and convey that to the player base. Stop with this whole, one rioter commenting on a forum and kinda asking questions about what to do or just flat out being silent. I think that's what will at least calm the storm here, and that's all I'm really going to say

LostFr0stJun 19, 20161 votes

We should all creep on this: http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler It's got lots of useful intel^^

69982196_DELJun 18, 20162 votes

I don't think the badges will be visible in game, only a profile thing, which will make all the shame thing inefective. Now, what kind of loser goes around chasing people for badge? That is just as stupid as Riot saying the badge fix anything for solos. Maybe knowing who is playing in premade is somewhat useful info but this is not the same. This will only show who has played mainly in premade parties during the past 25 wins (and we don't know if it will be visible in champ select and in-game), so it's kinda useless. Redmercy's is simply ridiculous and even childish about it, "oh, look, a DQ badge, let's make fun of him" pfffff.

MarshbouyJun 18, 20161 votes

We'll see