Its completely fair that i have to spend 3500 gold as riven to be able to fight any bramblevest tank

Rexxiee·Sep 26, 2017·1 votes·583 views

Yes, having to complete a full item (deaths dance) so i dont kill myself by trying to play the lane because the tank got a 900g item on his first back, wheres my auto win item for 900 riot?

Not even black cleaver can beat it as you'll just die to the damage reflect + base damages before you get to half of the tanks health bar.

Thanks a lot riot for this garbage meta, might aswell delete champs that arent tanks adcs and supports from the game.

At the very least cleaver nerfs need to be reverted, tanks are just dominating everything with bramble early game.

26 Comments

Sir FuzziSep 26, 20174 votes

We wouldn't have had Bramble in the first place if ridiculous items like Death's Dance never existed to begin with. Death's Dance is just such an absurd item to begin with.

You'd probably want to build pen into Bramble, not LS, you'd want to build LS into Sunfire or Dead Man's probably where it's going to polish off the damage passives.

Bramble's up for nerfs allegedly to boot.

RexxieeSep 26, 20171 votes

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We wouldn't have had Bramble in the first place if ridiculous items like Death's Dance never existed to begin with. Death's Dance is just such an absurd item to begin with.

You'd probably want to build pen into Bramble, not LS, you'd want to build LS into Sunfire or Dead Man's probably where it's going to polish off the damage passives.

Bramble's up for nerfs allegedly to boot.

Yes, i'll beat bramble by buying 10 ad for 1300 gold and reducing his armor by less than 10.

Thanks boards! I'll get challenger now!

FireDrizzleSep 26, 20172 votes

Building lifesteal makes bramble a better purchase.

RexxieeSep 26, 20171 votes

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Building lifesteal makes bramble a better purchase.

You dont understand, you have to build it because otherwise you can NEVER kill the tank on a sustained fight.

Because any average tank building bramble + health, have % health shields and all, if you play any auto attacker you'll just kill yourself off the reflect damage, so you need it so you can trade, chunk him a bit, then lifesteal off minions and repeat then you can kill them.

Its absurd that a item that costs 900g has this much impact and is pretty much impossible to deal with for the same price it is bought, the item is a harder "I WIN" item for tanks against any AD auto attacker than hexdrinker is against mages.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20172 votes

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You dont understand, you have to build it because otherwise you can NEVER kill the tank on a sustained fight.

Because any average tank building bramble + health, have % health shields and all, if you play any auto attacker you'll just kill yourself off the reflect damage, so you need it so you can trade, chunk him a bit, then lifesteal off minions and repeat then you can kill them.

Its absurd that a item that costs 900g has this much impact and is pretty much impossible to deal with for the same price it is bought, the item is a harder "I WIN" item for tanks against any AD auto attacker than hexdrinker is against mages.

i love how a champ like riven with no resource to manage who scales on AD for her shield with her mobility and high damage out put is crying

oh and you complain about item 3076 when it is getting nerfed on the next patch and having its cost increased

so a lil late arent ya ?

RexxieeSep 26, 20172 votes

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i love how a champ like riven with no resource to manage who scales on AD for her shield with her mobility and high damage out put is crying

oh and you complain about when it is getting nerfed on the next patch and having its cost increased

so a lil late arent ya ?

Bramble nerfs are nothing for how overpowered the item is, oh yeah +100g, 1k gold vs 3.5k gold item to beat it, still complete garbage to play against.

No nerf will be enough, the item just shouldnt exist, it doesnt belong in the game, tanks should NOT have a auto win vs ad item for 900 or 1000 gold, tanks are already the safest picks top lane they dont need this, you know being able to snowball the tank out of the game should be one of their few weaknesses.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20171 votes

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Bramble nerfs are nothing for how overpowered the item is, oh yeah +100g, 1k gold vs 3.5k gold item to beat it, still compelte garbage to play against.

No nerf will be enough, the item just shouldnt exist, it doesnt belong in the game, tanks should NOT have a auto win vs ad item for 900 or 1000 gold, tanks are already the safest picks top lane they dont need this, you know being able to snowball the tank out of the game should be one of their few weaknesses.

wouldnt you think armor pen would be more effective vs a bramble vest rush instead of going flat ad as part of deaths dance?

it has no armor pen... so if you reduce the armor they have by penetration you will do more damage

NaqelSep 26, 20171 votes

Used correctly, item 1053 is worth in lane as much as a bramble vest.

Especially as Riven, you have the luxury of not requiring a hard engage to deliver most of your damage. The sum total of basic attacks you need to do is 5 at an absolute best, after which you can resume farming until you are ready for another go. Because of the lifesteal, and a big chunk of your damage coming from non AA sources, you will win every trade, and recover HP faster than the enemy.

You don't have to kill them in one go.

HaIlMonitorSep 26, 20171 votes

But if you cant one shot everyone as a fighter your champ is weak #crybabies lol.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20171 votes

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But if you cant one shot everyone as a fighter your champ is weak #crybabies lol.

dont you love how people bitch over toxicity in the game but some of the most toxic ,rage,flaming streamers are the most popular and then their minions try to copy them ... hashinshin, tyler1, trick2g, etc

ShonjlSep 26, 20172 votes

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Bramble nerfs are nothing for how overpowered the item is, oh yeah +100g, 1k gold vs 3.5k gold item to beat it, still complete garbage to play against.

No nerf will be enough, the item just shouldnt exist, it doesnt belong in the game, tanks should NOT have a auto win vs ad item for 900 or 1000 gold, tanks are already the safest picks top lane they dont need this, you know being able to snowball the tank out of the game should be one of their few weaknesses.

Ohh no, there is an auto win item for AD when Hexdrinker is an auto win for any AD against AP matchup.

Stop bitching and get over it.

ShonjlSep 26, 20171 votes

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i love how a champ like riven with no resource to manage who scales on AD for her shield with her mobility and high damage out put is crying

oh and you complain about when it is getting nerfed on the next patch and having its cost increased

so a lil late arent ya ?

I agree with this, its funny hearing this person cry when they are a Riven of all things.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20171 votes

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I agree with this, its funny hearing this person cry when they are a Riven of all things.

i mean i shit on rivens in lane as maokai before this item ever existed

ShonjlSep 26, 20171 votes

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i mean i shit on rivens in lane as maokai before this item ever existed

I am just laughing about the fact now there is an item that hard counters AD and we have brats like the OP here crying, when AP gets shit on by Hexdrinker and yet it was allowed to exist. And AP itemization is garbage right now and AP champs in general suffer for it. There is a reason its not uncommon to see pure AD comps, or 4 AD and 1 AP which often is the support Brand or Zyra or Fiddle.

Its amusing seeing brats like OP cry when it affects them but its perfectly ok for his Riven to buy Hexdrinker against an AP champ and make them auto lose since its literally the same item basically. They both basically make the other person auto lose due to hurr durr.

Not to mention you can counter bramble by getting a vamp scepter. Same amount of gold, and you can LS while they can't. Now you outlast them and they are screwed since every minion wave will heal you a sizable amount while they don't.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20171 votes

well how do you beat riven in lane?

you have a way to negate/stop her Q spam for her passive damage

and you out sustain her... cuz she has no natural sustain

hence why garen was a go to counter for her forever his Q silence and his natural tankyness and his sustain

hence why maokai shits on her.. his Q/W stops her combo he can out sustain her and disengage from her

FireDrizzleSep 26, 20171 votes

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You dont understand, you have to build it because otherwise you can NEVER kill the tank on a sustained fight.

Because any average tank building bramble + health, have % health shields and all, if you play any auto attacker you'll just kill yourself off the reflect damage, so you need it so you can trade, chunk him a bit, then lifesteal off minions and repeat then you can kill them.

Its absurd that a item that costs 900g has this much impact and is pretty much impossible to deal with for the same price it is bought, the item is a harder "I WIN" item for tanks against any AD auto attacker than hexdrinker is against mages.

Why not just build a vamp sceptor to lifesteal off minions? And build a bc first?

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20172 votes

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Why not just build a vamp sceptor to lifesteal off minions? And build a bc first?

HOW DARE YOU OFFER LOGIC AND REASONING TO THIS POST.

clearly they want to face tank and mash buttons and auto win ... with out thinking ...

RexxieeSep 26, 20171 votes

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Why not just build a vamp sceptor to lifesteal off minions? And build a bc first?

BC + vamp cepter = 3900 Gold

Thanks for making it so it takes even more gold to beat it.

RaoulSep 26, 20172 votes

Say thx to ADCs for making Items like bramblevest necessary. If they were not so brokenly OP, we wouldnt need such powerfull anti AD Items.

RexxieeSep 26, 20171 votes

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Say thx to ADCs for making Items like bramblevest necessary. If they were not so brokenly OP, we wouldnt need such powerfull anti AD Items.

Adcs dont lane against bramble vest.

Bramble vest kills ad tops and bruisers, basically any non tank champs top laners, not adcs, they have nothing to do with this.

In fact bramble vest is one of the reasons why adcs are so strong right now, because tanks can be played in multiple lanes and they make bruisers unviable, then the adcs get more frontlines and more ppl building tank + support for them.

FrightningSep 26, 20172 votes

No, you only need to spend 1300g, item 3035 is a legitimate rush item against a item 3076 -rushing tank in top lane. You can even get item 3071 afterwards to double down on the armor countering if you want.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20171 votes

didnt know riven beat tanks to begin with ...

i know a branch slap her all over top lane as maokai and this was before item 3076

RexxieeSep 26, 20171 votes

I guess the silver tank mains here are just completely clueless.

Go look on hashinshin videos about the issue, every single top laner in high elo, or even player agrees that bramble should have not been made, it destroyed top lane AND the game balance.

jwebb0113Sep 26, 20172 votes

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I guess the silver tank mains here are just completely clueless.

Go look on hashinshin videos about the issue, every single top laner in high elo, or even player agrees that bramble should have not been made, it destroyed top lane AND the game balance.

lol hashinshin one of the biggest cry babies in all of league

PopcornBunniSep 26, 20171 votes

Riven can freewheel spells to completely mitigate bramble from ever proccing and proceed to get free heals of her basic attacks by attacking minions.

How is bramble a problem at all. It's a literally worse chainmail against any player that knows how to farm properly or use ability damage.

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No, you only need to spend 1300g, is a legitimate rush item against a -rushing tank in top lane. You can even get afterwards to double down on the armor countering if you want.

Also this. Armor pen is busted after the tank update because it effectively reduces armor to the same amount as before while the tanks have less health from their items now.

Dark NephthysSep 26, 20171 votes

Good, item 3076 should be an OP item, I'm tired of playing a tank top lane into a range top laner (especially ADCs). Also love how it counters the annoying champions like Riven Fiora Yasuo (god I hate Fiora...stupid ass champion). Its not like an item being super strong counter to an entire group of champion is new...just look at how item 3155 basically shuts down almost every mage for a low cost of 1300g.

Is item 3076 maybe a little to strong? Yea maybe, but it's needed because of the amount of OP lifestealing and drain-tanking that is going on. Though honestly, I do feel bad about people who play Aatrox and as some one who wants to pick him up...bramble does hurt what little chance he has left to be decent.