Why do i get downvoted when i ask to buff a champ with a 42% win rate?

SwiftKitten88·Nov 17, 2016·3 votes·740 views

high skill cap champ plat+ 42.49% win rate. below 40% lower elos

i say "X" champ needs a buff. or a revert to a previous balanced state. i get downvoted... seriously?

its 42%... i dont think what i am asking is unreasonable.. I don't know of any player who would NOT ask for a buff or some sort of rework done to their fav champ, if their champ had a 42% win rate...

hell bring it to 46%.. 47... 48%%.. i dont care if you make it to 49 or 50%. just make it PLAYABLE in ranked. that's all i want

27 Comments

YoobaNov 17, 20165 votes

What's the champ?

RivuoNov 17, 20163 votes

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What's the champ?

Theres only 1 champ with a 42% win rate.

YoobaNov 17, 20161 votes

I don't ever check champs win rates or anything so I wouldn't know

KorilloNov 17, 20162 votes

So what Champ? ...

RivuoNov 17, 20162 votes

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So what Champ? ...

Kalista

AptestNov 17, 20164 votes

oh.

naa, fuck her.

SwiftKitten88Nov 17, 20161 votes

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Theres only 1 champ with a 42% win rate.

actaully.. there are 5... https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=ascend

but honestly.. does it MATTER who the champ is.. if a 42% winrate on the primary and ONLY role that champ has.. does it MATTER who the champ is? do you honestly NEED any other data than that to show the champ needs a buff?

if a 42% winrate on your primary role, in the highest elo (plat +), on a high skill cap champ.. with windows getting consecutively lower as elo decreases.

do you NEED any other information to say that champ needs a buff or a rework?

does it MATTER which champ it is?

i mean hell.. what champ do i hate the most... Azir Zed Shaco Garen

i hate these champs and everything about them.. i would be happy if they were completely removed from the game

but the fact i hate those champs has no bearing that ANY CHAMP in the game which has a 42% winrate in its primary role needs either a MASSIVE buff, or a rework..

lets just pretend that i am SOO biased against a champ that i WANT it to be bad. ok.. well i would STILL at least give it a minimum of a 45 or 46% win rate.

i would STILL make it so if you have a 125+ games on it and you main it you can maintain a 50% win rate. (and i say 125+ because that is all the site tracks... i have over 1000 games on my main...)

RivuoNov 17, 20161 votes

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actaully.. there are 5... https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=ascend

but honestly.. does it MATTER who the champ is.. if a 42% winrate on the primary and ONLY role that champ has.. does it MATTER who the champ is? do you honestly NEED any other data than that to show the champ needs a buff?

if a 42% winrate on your primary role, in the highest elo (plat +), on a high skill cap champ.. with windows getting consecutively lower as elo decreases.

do you NEED any other information to say that champ needs a buff or a rework?

does it MATTER which champ it is?

i mean hell.. what champ do i hate the most...

i hate these champs and everything about them.. i would be happy if they were completely removed from the game

but the fact i hate those champs has no bearing that ANY CHAMP in the game which has a 42% winrate in its primary role needs either a MASSIVE buff, or a rework..

lets just pretend that i am SOO biased against a champ that i WANT it to be bad. ok.. well i would STILL at least give it a minimum of a 45 or 46% win rate.

i would STILL make it so if you have a 125+ games on it and you main it you can maintain a 50% win rate. (and i say 125+ because that is all the site tracks... i have over 1000 games on my main...)

Errr who said i was quoting champion.gg.... Thats only plat+

SwiftKitten88Nov 17, 20161 votes

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Errr who said i was quoting champion.gg.... Thats only plat+

idk i don't trust that site either.. its just i have been linking sites that show data for EVERY elo becuase for about 5 months the champ has a 9% difference in winrate between high and low elo and kept getting nerfs. becuase and i quote

"she is OP at higher elo, her lower elo winrate doesn't matter"

which of course i know is BS, but since nearly everyone here is an idiot, and they seem to think that "balanced at plat skill level" means the champ is "perfectly fine" if it has a 50% win rate in plat and a 13% win rate in bronze and a 98% win rate in challenger (yes i am exaggerating)

"balanced around a plat elo" means plat is where the 50% should ideally occur.

not that you can have the winrate go plus or minus 5% in other elos. if a champ champ has a winrate differential of more than 6% between unranked and challenger.. the champ is not balanced aka: a champ needs to maintain a winrate between 47% and 53% in EVERY elo for that champ to be even CONSIDERED balanced yes i personally think that 53% is probably too high..

but at the same time i hear people IN THIS THREAD. that 42% is not "too low" and so i ask them? if that ISN'T "Too Low" WHAT THE HELL IS?

but anyways back to the

"she is OP at higher elo, her lower elo winrate doesn't matter"

so i said.. fine.. i will list her plat + winrate. because people say they only care about that.

the fact is... it doesn't matter how much statistical data i show proving my point.

the people here don't care, they have their opinion. and regardless of the fact that 100% of the data proves that they are wrong, they wont even CONSIDER the possibility they are wrong.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 17, 20161 votes

Wait... You hate Azir and Garen?

...

I am reconsidering my support for Nid...

QuephaNov 17, 20161 votes

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but honestly.. does it MATTER who the champ is.. if a 42% winrate on the primary and ONLY role that champ has.. does it MATTER who the champ is? do you honestly NEED any other data than that to show the champ needs a buff?

Yes, Kalista's design is way too overloaded. She deserves to suck until she stops having a better version of smite than smite itself, more mobility and range than Yasuo, a better initiate than Ashe, and better vision than actual wards.

Big LincolnNov 17, 20161 votes

nidalee

JorenciceNov 17, 20163 votes

Mostly because said champ needs a complete rework. It isnt a simple numbers thing.

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 17, 20163 votes

because a 42% winrate isn't a good enough reason to buff a champ, you're kindof just wasting people's time with the same tired shit over and over again and so you get downvoted

SwiftKitten88Nov 17, 20161 votes

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because a 42% winrate isn't a good enough reason to buff a champ, you're kindof just wasting people's time with the same tired shit over and over again and so you get downvoted

if that isn't then what IS?

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 17, 20161 votes

42% winrate = an instance, a record with little significance that can be used to find things with more significance.

Tell us about the experience to winrate ratio Tell us when she's strong in a game and how long it lasts Tell us if AD or AP akali is doing well Tell us if she's just losing or being outright hardcountered by something

What you're doing is like pointing to a slow moving car and swearing the engine doesn't work. You don't know if the engine is working or not just by looking at a car and measuring its current speed

SwiftKitten88Nov 17, 20161 votes

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42% winrate = an instance, a record with little significance that can be used to find things with more significance.

Tell us about the experience to winrate ratio Tell us when she's strong in a game and how long it lasts Tell us if AD or AP akali is doing well Tell us if she's just losing or being outright hardcountered by something

What you're doing is like pointing to a slow moving car and swearing the engine doesn't work. You don't know if the engine is working or not just by looking at a car and measuring its current speed

125+ does not reach even 48% there are zero points in the game were the champ's winrate goes above 45% there is only ONE viable build, AP there is only ONE viable lane... jungle, (or rather ZERO viable lanes as 42% is not viable...) the champ is losing outright.. the champ don't even reach a 50% winrate vs the champs THEY are supposed to hardcounter.

yes.. the champion is Nidalee https://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 17, 20161 votes

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125+ does not reach even 48%

you cant just show one category, you need the chart or a description of the chart.

You don't want instances, you want trends

there are zero points in the game were the champ's winrate goes above 45%

at what rank, i'm assuming you got your info from the site at the bottom?

there is only ONE viable build, AP

how do you know this?

there is only ONE viable lane... jungle, (or rather ZERO viable lanes as 42% is not viable...)

you cannot prove this with the given data, is there something you aren't sharing?

the champ is losing outright.. the champ don't even reach a 50% winrate vs the champs THEY are supposed to hardcounter.

define hardcounter, is nidallee even picked to hardcounter anything? Was she ever?

yes.. the champion is https://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee/platinum

this site says something different and lolking had weird incomplete stats

You probably wont be able to rely on winrate.

I wonder why she still has an 8% playrate if she is doing so bad though. Whatever the case keep digging, you've scratched the surface, now make a complete argument

"this is bothering me" - state the obvious
"here's evidence that it isnt just me panicking because I don't understand statisitcs in this game" - show more facts, this is the step youre on now
"here's a detailed description of what contributed to the problem and why there are any discrepencies because I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about and am readily able to calmly share this with everyone" - this is next. Go deeper into it, show us some youtube clips of a champ that is being played in 1 in every 12.5 games. Simple
"here is what I want or what I would like to be fixed" - when you get to this step please reference anything you can find on what riot has said about the champ so as to avoid making the same mistake as before.

SwiftKitten88Nov 18, 20161 votes

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you cant just show one category, you need the chart or a description of the chart.

You don't want instances, you want trends

at what rank, i'm assuming you got your info from the site at the bottom?

how do you know this?

you cannot prove this with the given data, is there something you aren't sharing?

define hardcounter, is nidallee even picked to hardcounter anything? Was she ever?

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee/platinum

this site says something different and lolking had weird incomplete stats

You probably wont be able to rely on winrate.

I wonder why she still has an 8% playrate if she is doing so bad though. Whatever the case keep digging, you've scratched the surface, now make a complete argument

"this is bothering me" - state the obvious

"here's evidence that it isnt just me panicking because I don't understand statisitcs in this game" - show more facts, this is the step youre on now

"here's a detailed description of what contributed to the problem and why there are any discrepencies because I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about and am readily able to calmly share this with everyone" - this is next. Go deeper into it, show us some youtube clips of a champ that is being played in 1 in every 12.5 games. Simple

"here is what I want or what I would like to be fixed" - when you get to this step please reference anything you can find on what riot has said about the champ so as to avoid making the same mistake as before.

..... i HAVE gone into how to fix her, i have done it MULTIPLE times, it doesn't MATTER how much evidence i provide, people who don't like nidalee with down vote the thread anyways.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bwyZTscK-riot-lets-talk-nidalee http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/y44TteXt-riot-you-know-which-assassin-you-compltetly-ignored?comment=00000000 http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/8AzbBrcb-ok-im-sorry-you-hate-her-but-nidalee-needs-a-buff http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JTFZX6P1-nidalee-and-strength-of-the-ages http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/eNKbh0p6-troll-post?show=flat&comment=000000000000000000000001000000010000000000000000 http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/eNKbh0p6-troll-post?show=flat&comment=00000000000000000000000100000001000000000000000000000000

i know no one going to read though the posts, but.. there you are..

however i do find it interesting that in 6.21 her thunderlords mastery winrate was 42% in patch 6.22 the only nerf to her was the removal of strength of the ages and forcing her to go thunderlords. guess what.. 6.22 winrate.. thunderlords nid... 42%

i mean it didn't take a freaking genius to see that coming now did it...

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 18, 20161 votes

It seems like a lot of times you either just say something that just leads to offtopic stuff or you just start acting like a pompous little dick

i mean it didn't take a freaking genius to see that coming now did it...

I don't give a shit how vindicitive you're feeling right now. You asked how to not get downvoted while you bring attention to something you pretend to give a shit about. Behave or don't, do what you gotta do or don't

And stop relying on big shocking statistics to carry your case for you, you suck at it. Stick to simple things, aim for things not left up to interpretation.

For example on that website you originally showed. Yes, a 42% winrate means something but not that much compared to the fact she's supposedly the what, 47th out of 48 ranks in jungle? How strong are junglers right now?

Jax CramerNov 17, 20162 votes

We can probably deal with a couple more patches where Nidalee isnt the best jungler in the game.

IcyPepperNov 17, 20162 votes

The reason you get downvoted is because people disagree with you. Gasp.

The reason why Kalista is sitting at a low winrate is the same reason some guys like Azir and other champions used to, such as old Poppy or Yorick.

i say "X" champ needs a buff. or a revert to a previous balanced state.

There is a reason why she got nerfed in the first place, and her previously "balanced" state wasn't balanced for game health, hence the nerf. Kalista's design is just too toxic to be "balanced." I'm sorry.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 17, 20161 votes

Well you have my support Nidalee main.

For what it's worth.

PermabannedGarenNov 17, 20161 votes

Because when Nidalee is good at all, she's "the best jungler in the game by far" levels of good.

SwiftKitten88Nov 18, 20161 votes

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Because when Nidalee is good at all, she's "the best jungler in the game by far" levels of good.

that's not ENTIRELY true... in patches 4.17 to 5.1 nidalee was in a balanced state, probably the most balanced champ in the game viable in top mid and support all between 48 and 50% win rate. 5.2 she was put in the jungle...

also ever since 6.6 she hasn't really been very good below plat, but she was still the best in plat +.

but like i have said countless times.. riot needs to do a 4.17 nid revert... that would be the fastest and easiest way to fix her.